3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro?

brf2005 · 12-11-2007, 09:58

Just wanted to know what your opinions are?

There's VW Golf with their R32
There's Audi with their 3.2 ltr quattro

Even Seat has 240hp cupra r

So when is Skoda gonna have a hatch which competes with these???

and if not why not???

symonevans · 12-11-2007, 10:00

Heard something about a 300bhp superb

Groundzer0 · 12-11-2007, 11:48

At the end of the day Skoda is the VAG group cheap as chips option. I would have thought that the rest of the group doesn't want a Octavia 3.2 4x4 that has the potential of being as good as or better than the flagship R32 Golf for a cheaper price.
Bugatti - Hyper cars engineering showcases
Lambourghini - Super cars
Audi - Prestige, luxury brand
VW - Quality family and fleet cars
Seat - Fun and feisty brand
Skoda - Bargain basement for the normal people that know a bargain when they see one and aren't bothered about badge snobbery.

Jonno VRs · 12-11-2007, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Groundzer0

At the end of the day Skoda is the VAG group cheap as chips option. I would have thought that the rest of the group doesn't want a Octavia 3.2 4x4 that has the potential of being as good as or better than the flagship R32 Golf for a cheaper price.
Bugatti - Hyper cars engineering showcases
Lambourghini - Super cars
Audi - Prestige, luxury brand
VW - Quality family and fleet cars
Seat - Fun and feisty brand
Skoda - Bargain basement for the normal people that know a bargain when they see one and aren't bothered about badge snobbery.

I wouldn't call the 17k I spent on my car bargain basement or cheap as chips. Good value yes but not bargain basement.

Silk · 12-11-2007, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Jonno VRs

I wouldn't call the 17k I spent on my car bargain basement or cheap as chips. Good value yes but not bargain basement.

Maybe our Russian friend can do a mod

They're some photos I would love to see.

woodenspatulas · 12-11-2007, 18:39

good value for money dosnt have to be boring though.
i think theres just not enough interest to do a more powerful octy. 200bhp not enough for you lol???

but i have also heard the rumors about a 4x4 300bhp vrs superb. now THAT i'd happliy pay to see. wonder if i can blag it as my demo car

Jonno VRs · 12-11-2007, 19:04

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Originally Posted by brf2005

Just wanted to know what your opinions are?

There's VW Golf with their R32
There's Audi with their 3.2 ltr quattro

Even Seat has 240hp cupra r

So when is Skoda gonna have a hatch which competes with these???

and if not why not???

You'd be suprised at how close the VRs competes with the R32 in terms of performance. I had a 3.2 TT and it was only a shade quicker than my VRs in some gears and at some speeds. The new 3.2 TT would be a different story though as it has a far better power to weight ratio.

Mater · 12-11-2007, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Groundzer0

At the end of the day Skoda is the VAG group cheap as chips option. I would have thought that the rest of the group doesn't want a Octavia 3.2 4x4 that has the potential of being as good as or better than the flagship R32 Golf for a cheaper price.
Bugatti - Hyper cars engineering showcases
Lambourghini - Super cars
Audi - Prestige, luxury brand
VW - Quality family and fleet cars
Seat - Fun and feisty brand
Skoda - Bargain basement for the normal people that know a bargain when they see one and aren't bothered about badge snobbery.

You forgot Porsche

And i agree with jonno my car is definately not bargain basement

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I chose to spend my money on the vRS because imo it has better build quality than a Golf GTi (3 of my mates have them in work and all have had trim problems amongst other things), It is bigger so more comfortable on a long journey. It has the same engine and apart from 0-62mph it is a quicker car due to a lower drag coefficient. It has Very Good fuel economy for a 200bhp car and to quote VRStu it is a car i always turn to look back at after i have locked it and walked away.

Why pay £3-4k more for a Golf GTi when you can have a vRS which is bigger more spacious and just as luxurious

I also doubt that the rest of the VAG group are bothered about the Octavia having a 3.2 4x4 quattro. i dont think Buggatti, Porsche or Lambo would feel threatend by a 3.2 Octy

. Otherwise it wouldnt be available with the 2.0TFSi that is in the GTi. Its more to do with pricing it out of the market it is aimed at. A 3.2 Octy would just be far too expensive for a lot of people who own a vRS.

Sporky McGuffin · 12-11-2007, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Mater

You forgot Porsche

And Bentley.

MarkyW · 12-11-2007, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Jonno VRs

I wouldn't call the 17k I spent on my car bargain basement or cheap as chips. Good value yes but not bargain basement.

It IS all relevant.

Skoda Scout with lots of options, approx £23K OTR
Audi Allroad with similar spec, approx £38K OTR

I have tried to match the options available to those I have/have added to the Scout I am getting.

Just for a laugh:
TPM on the Skoda is £80 option
TPM on the All-Road is a £400 option

As part of the car choice exercise I have just been through, we drove the Octavia estate 2.0 tdi, A4 avant 2.0 Tdi and A6 avant 2.0 Tdi (among others) and thought the Skoda the best all round package.

Regards

Mark

drkuthan · 13-11-2007, 21:14

I had the same toughts before buying my rs

I had the chance to race a 335i on a highway and believe me or not ... with my stock car he could only begin to pass me at 230 km/hrs ... All the time he was only 2 or 3 cars distance ahead

I think it is enough for you

There is no meaning in spending lots of money for the others if speed is the only matter

MarkyTDI · 18-11-2007, 10:06

Apparently there is going to be a 2.7Tdi 4x4 superb.
The 335 would be considerably quicker than a Vrs, but on a £ for £ basis the octavia is virtually unbeatable.

s3akr · 18-11-2007, 10:30

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Originally Posted by MarkyTDI

on a £ for £ basis the octavia is virtually unbeatable.

That's exactly what put me in a VRs rather than a Golf GTi or A3!

Did something similar a few years back when I bought the Leon FR TDi 150 over the Golf back then, actually selling my S3 to change over (new baby and the 4 x 4 limited boot space too much, + 3 doors seemed a lot of hassle with baby seats).

The plastics are of inferior quality and some of the surface finishes. You also notice some shortcuts like the lack of bonnet lifters but not so much as to ruin the car or to make it stand out in its own right as "cheap". You just notice against its VW/Audi equivalents as I did with the Leon vs S3.

Jonno VRs · 18-11-2007, 15:16

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Originally Posted by drkuthan

I had the same toughts before buying my rs

I had the chance to race a 335i on a highway and believe me or not ... with my stock car he could only begin to pass me at 230 km/hrs ... All the time he was only 2 or 3 cars distance ahead

I think it is enough for you

There is no meaning in spending lots of money for the others if speed is the only matter

Maybe it was only you that was racing and he was not trying? The 335i would walk away from a VRs I'm afraid,- it's almost as quick the previous generation M3.

oilburninnut · 18-11-2007, 19:47

wouldn't want an r32 engine in an octy anyway,it would completly destroy the nicely balenced handling in the same way it has with the golf,the golf r32 is a dog of a car,it looks and sounds great tho and thats why i would buy one

Fabia 12v · 18-11-2007, 20:16

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Originally Posted by MarkyW

TPM on the Skoda is £80 option
TPM on the All-Road is a £400 option

Skoda uses ABS sensors to make a rough estimate on tyre pressures i.e when one wheel is spinning at a different speed it assumes tyre pressure is dfferent..

Audi, i beleive uses a slightly more complex system of sensors.

Best laugh is BMW... hugely expensive TPM system... then they fit run flats!!

Gotta note though Audi allroad isn't really compareable to an Octy scout.

Take it from me as a VW employee every brand within VW are limited to the amont of technology they are allowed to not because of badge snobery or anything along those lines but because at end of the day VW Group is a buisness... if you made a big grid and put a photo of every car that VWG produces it basically hits every single segment...

What would be the point of VWG producing a Skoda equivilent of a Phaeton... they hit that market with the Phaeton and the Expensive A8... if Skoda and Seat were to start producung 'cheaper' versions of this yet more factories must be produced. Or say you want to buy a golf sized convertable... you buy the VW Eos, if you dont like hard folding roofs, next year you will be able to buy the Audi A3 soft-top, thats it market has been filled, no need for skoda to do a convertable.... to produce all these extra cars (for a very small market) would all bring costs.. and VWG are at the end of the day a buisness...

Jonno VRs · 18-11-2007, 20:56

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Originally Posted by oilburninnut

wouldn't want an r32 engine in an octy anyway,it would completly destroy the nicely balenced handling in the same way it has with the golf,the golf r32 is a dog of a car,it looks and sounds great tho and thats why i would buy one

What? Are you joking? The R32 handles very well in my opinion.

The additional weight of the V6 engine alledgedly makes the car nose heavy however this is offset in some part by the additional weight at the rear for the 4WD transmission so the balance is pretty much retained. The 4WD system itself also helps avoid any understeer (charactaristic of a nose heavy car) aswell.

Is the R32 a better car than the GTi? Difficult to compare in my opinion as it depends on what you want. Personally I'd take the R32 every single time.

I've had the 3.2 V6 in the TT and it's a peach. It didn't compromise the handling, which contrary to common belief, is pretty good in the TT especially considering its 8 or so years old now.

Fabia 12v · 18-11-2007, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Jonno VRs

What? Are you joking? The R32 handles very well in my opinion.

The additional weight of the V6 engine alledgedly makes the car nose heavy however this is offset in the most part by the additional weight at the rear for the 4WD transmission so the balance is retained. The 4WD system itself also helps avoid any understeer (charactaristic of a nose heavy car) aswell.

Remember the R32 is a VR6.... so its a very compact and light engine in reality compared to a normal V6.

Jonno VRs · 18-11-2007, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Fabia 12v

Remember the R32 is a VR6.... so its a very compact and light engine in reality compared to a normal V6.

Isn't the 3.2 V6 engine in the Golf the same as in the MKI, MKII TT, Audi A4 etc?

rashcupra · 18-11-2007, 21:15

whats the new fabialimited edition putting out?? i think its a good thing owning a brand that doesnt make rapid cars to begiun with you can suprise people even more this way!

Fabia 12v · 18-11-2007, 21:17

Hate to tell you, but most of VWG V engines are VR engines its just because of badging you don't realise this...

Take the W12.... its actually 2 VR6s at 90 deg... hence ultra big engine... super small space!

Same with bugatti W16... its two VR8s.

Fact!

nitrovrs · 18-11-2007, 22:27

Dunno if this is relavant but my 2.8 vr6 engined mk 2 golf was the best handling car i have ever had...

oilburninnut · 18-11-2007, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Jonno VRs

What? Are you joking? The R32 handles very well in my opinion.

The additional weight of the V6 engine alledgedly makes the car nose heavy however this is offset in some part by the additional weight at the rear for the 4WD transmission so the balance is pretty much retained. The 4WD system itself also helps avoid any understeer (charactaristic of a nose heavy car) aswell.

Is the R32 a better car than the GTi? Difficult to compare in my opinion as it depends on what you want. Personally I'd take the R32 every single time.

I've had the 3.2 V6 in the TT and it's a peach. It didn't compromise the handling, which contrary to common belief, is pretty good in the TT especially considering its 8 or so years old now.

go drive a proper 4x4 then come back and tell me it handles mate,evo or a skyline will do,not a scooby they understeer too much just like the r32

Jonno VRs · 18-11-2007, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Fabia 12v

Hate to tell you, but most of VWG V engines are VR engines its just because of badging you don't realise this...

Take the W12.... its actually 2 VR6s at 90 deg... hence ultra big engine... super small space!

Same with bugatti W16... its two VR8s.

Fact!

That's really nice and interesting but how does it have anything to doing with my original point about the R32 being a good handling car?

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Originally Posted by nitrovrs

Dunno if this is relavant but my 2.8 vr6 engined mk 2 golf was the best handling car i have ever had...

That would have to have been a transplant as that engine never featured in the mk 2 golf?

brf2005 · 19-11-2007, 09:13

If a 3.2 ltr option is pointless then why have all the manufacturers within the Audi/VW group continued to make this as an option.

If skoda were not going to bother with a sporty range they would not have bothered with the Vrs range; which is popular in itself. I would have guessed that most people who have a Vrs have got one because it does everything a GTI does in performance but adds better value for money.

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brf2005 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Wales Posts: 55 Members Car: octavia 1.8t Thanks: 6 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? Just wanted to know what your opinions are? There's VW Golf with their R32 There's Audi with their 3.2 ltr quattro Even Seat has 240hp cupra r So when is Skoda gonna have a hatch which competes with these??? and if not why not???

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symonevans Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,146 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 8 Thanked 50 Times in 49 Posts	Re: 3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? Heard something about a 300bhp superb

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Groundzer0 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hemsworth, Pontefract, West Yorks Posts: 171 Members Car: Black Skoda Octavia vRS 2003 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? At the end of the day Skoda is the VAG group cheap as chips option. I would have thought that the rest of the group doesn't want a Octavia 3.2 4x4 that has the potential of being as good as or better than the flagship R32 Golf for a cheaper price. Bugatti - Hyper cars engineering showcases Lambourghini - Super cars Audi - Prestige, luxury brand VW - Quality family and fleet cars Seat - Fun and feisty brand Skoda - Bargain basement for the normal people that know a bargain when they see one and aren't bothered about badge snobbery. __________________ Black Mk1 Octavia vRS Black is the new...........Er!!!

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woodenspatulas Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kent Posts: 1,391 Members Car: vauxhall vectra and omega and 1.9tdi new fabia Thanks: 37 Thanked 68 Times in 56 Posts	Re: 3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? good value for money dosnt have to be boring though. i think theres just not enough interest to do a more powerful octy. 200bhp not enough for you lol??? but i have also heard the rumors about a 4x4 300bhp vrs superb. now THAT i'd happliy pay to see. wonder if i can blag it as my demo car __________________ Where has my sig pic gone????

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drkuthan Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 16 Members Car: Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? I had the same toughts before buying my rs I had the chance to race a 335i on a highway and believe me or not ... with my stock car he could only begin to pass me at 230 km/hrs ... All the time he was only 2 or 3 cars distance ahead I think it is enough for you There is no meaning in spending lots of money for the others if speed is the only matter

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MarkyTDI Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen and Cornwall Posts: 54 Members Car: Octy SLX TDI Estate Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? Apparently there is going to be a 2.7Tdi 4x4 superb. The 335 would be considerably quicker than a Vrs, but on a £ for £ basis the octavia is virtually unbeatable.

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brf2005 Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Wales Posts: 55 Members Car: octavia 1.8t Thanks: 6 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 3.2 ltr option like r32 or 3.2 quattro? If a 3.2 ltr option is pointless then why have all the manufacturers within the Audi/VW group continued to make this as an option. If skoda were not going to bother with a sporty range they would not have bothered with the Vrs range; which is popular in itself. I would have guessed that most people who have a Vrs have got one because it does everything a GTI does in performance but adds better value for money.