Driveshaft bolts and oil

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 09:37

How many drive shaft bolts does an Octy II have, and if i was to find a bolt resting on an arm, covered in thick black grease what would that suggest could be the damage.

TeflonTom · 28-07-2007, 09:50

if it's covered in thick black grease that will most likely be from the cv boot/joint, or possibly from the steering rack

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 09:53

I didn't need to hear that

If you are on MSN Tom, give me a kick will you. Ta

Lummox · 28-07-2007, 10:32

You should have six bolts in each driveshaft in the inner joint, one on the outer joint on the hub. Grease is also in the inner joint of which some comes out when you unbolt the driveshaft from its inner joint on the gearbox.

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 10:43

Hmm explains the rather severe graunching noises. Apparently the recovery guy says at least three came out.

What sort of damage could this cause?

Ta

Lummox · 28-07-2007, 10:48

Damage to the driveshaft and gaiter is quite likely.

Gearbox has been out then I take it, whoops.

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 10:50

Oh well, guess that is going to be quite a wait on parts.

The recovery guy suggested gearbox could have suffered, i take it that this is quite unlikely?

I have the thing booked in now, but will have to work out how to play the hire car thing so i can get into work as much as possible. Oddly enough the same garage did some work on the box area of the car a while ago.

Lummox · 28-07-2007, 10:52

Then i'd say they didnt tighten up the bolts fully, how long ago was it?

Gearbox should be fine.

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 10:55

few months possibly.

Done about 6k miles since, but had asked them to check out a noise which they said wasn't there and I didn't notice again from that area a few weeks later when it was in for a service.

**VRStu** · 28-07-2007, 11:30

Are they supposed to be loctite'd bolts Ross?

**VRStu** · 28-07-2007, 11:34

Just checked and I assume they must be coated as the instructions say use new screws. Wonder if they did?

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 11:34

Bolt I saw looked like it was covered in locking compound. Couple of inches long, about 1/3 to 1/2" wide and has a spline head on it. Covered in green compound on the thread that looks like locking compound

Really sick of all things VAG now

TeflonTom · 28-07-2007, 12:25

yeah, they are supposed to use new bolts..

Lummox · 28-07-2007, 12:39

New bolts and should be torqued.

TeflonTom · 28-07-2007, 12:42

to be honest, it's almost impossible to get the bolts out without damaging them anyway.. especially when they are caked in road crud... do they use splined bolts on those like on the fabia??

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 12:59

The ones I found were splined yeah, but looked pretty clean and new. Certainly not a trace of rust.

cheezemonkhai · 28-07-2007, 13:39

Thanks for the info Tom, Ross and Stu.

I'll post up here if I get any further info.

stuball · 28-07-2007, 14:22

yeah they do, there's 2 main types of driveshaft bolts, m8 and m10,
they are all steach bolts and should be replaced if removed,
the torque setting's
m8 is 45Nm
m10 is 25 Nm then 70Nm

cheezemonkhai · 30-07-2007, 13:24

Garage have said looks like the bolts were indeed not done up correctly and will be replacing various parts and obviously new bolts.

ETA is tomorrow if the parts are in, however I am waiting for a call on them and have a feeling that might not be the case.

WW_VRS · 30-07-2007, 15:21

Only just heard about this - man that's gotta suck. Hope they sort it out properly this time, glad you didn't end up dropping the driveshaft out as that would have been pretty dangerous I'd imagine.

cheezemonkhai · 30-07-2007, 16:03

We both thought it sounded as if the wheel was going to come off.

WW_VRS · 30-07-2007, 16:18

Hayley should know what it sounds like - just ask her about the Renault 21

Basil · 30-07-2007, 16:33

hmmm - I didnt replace mine when I took off the shafts, just gave them a good drop or two of the red loctite and torqued to spec.
Will have to take a peek when next under the car (which will not be that long off....)

cheezemonkhai · 30-07-2007, 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

Hayley should know what it sounds like - just ask her about the Renault 21

Yes oddly enough she did mention a drive shaft.

Well fingers crossed it looks like I might get my car back tomorrow.

In terms of the fact that the garage failed to fit properly when doing other work, does anybody thing some compensation is in order for wasted time etc. I was thinking perhaps a cheap service?

WW_VRS · 31-07-2007, 09:42

Worth suggesting for sure, I mean it could have got rather dangerous, at which point I have a feeling that garage might have been liable for it - as it does seem like a mistake was made.

On the plus side they are sorting it out without arguing about it (sure they shouldnt argue, but still) so they may be willing to give ya a discount

28-07-2007, 09:37	#1
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Driveshaft bolts and oil How many drive shaft bolts does an Octy II have, and if i was to find a bolt resting on an arm, covered in thick black grease what would that suggest could be the damage. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 09:50	#2
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,212 Thanks: 47 Thanked 231 Times in 203 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil if it's covered in thick black grease that will most likely be from the cv boot/joint, or possibly from the steering rack

28-07-2007, 09:53	#3
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil I didn't need to hear that If you are on MSN Tom, give me a kick will you. Ta __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment. Last edited by cheezemonkhai; 28-07-2007 at 10:09.

28-07-2007, 10:32	#4
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,302 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 735 Times in 617 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil You should have six bolts in each driveshaft in the inner joint, one on the outer joint on the hub. Grease is also in the inner joint of which some comes out when you unbolt the driveshaft from its inner joint on the gearbox. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

28-07-2007, 10:43	#5
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Hmm explains the rather severe graunching noises. Apparently the recovery guy says at least three came out. What sort of damage could this cause? Ta __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 10:48	#6
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,302 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 735 Times in 617 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Damage to the driveshaft and gaiter is quite likely. Gearbox has been out then I take it, whoops. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

28-07-2007, 10:50	#7
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Oh well, guess that is going to be quite a wait on parts. The recovery guy suggested gearbox could have suffered, i take it that this is quite unlikely? I have the thing booked in now, but will have to work out how to play the hire car thing so i can get into work as much as possible. Oddly enough the same garage did some work on the box area of the car a while ago. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 10:52	#8
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,302 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 735 Times in 617 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Then i'd say they didnt tighten up the bolts fully, how long ago was it? Gearbox should be fine. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

28-07-2007, 10:55	#9
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil few months possibly. Done about 6k miles since, but had asked them to check out a noise which they said wasn't there and I didn't notice again from that area a few weeks later when it was in for a service. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 11:30	#10
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,760 Thanks: 142 Thanked 987 Times in 884 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Are they supposed to be loctite'd bolts Ross? __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

28-07-2007, 11:34	#11
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,760 Thanks: 142 Thanked 987 Times in 884 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Just checked and I assume they must be coated as the instructions say use new screws. Wonder if they did? __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

28-07-2007, 11:34	#12
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Bolt I saw looked like it was covered in locking compound. Couple of inches long, about 1/3 to 1/2" wide and has a spline head on it. Covered in green compound on the thread that looks like locking compound Really sick of all things VAG now __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 12:25	#13
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,212 Thanks: 47 Thanked 231 Times in 203 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil yeah, they are supposed to use new bolts..

28-07-2007, 12:39	#14
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,302 Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 735 Times in 617 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil New bolts and should be torqued. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

28-07-2007, 12:42	#15
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,212 Thanks: 47 Thanked 231 Times in 203 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil to be honest, it's almost impossible to get the bolts out without damaging them anyway.. especially when they are caked in road crud... do they use splined bolts on those like on the fabia??

30-07-2007, 16:33	#23
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28-07-2007, 12:59	#16
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil The ones I found were splined yeah, but looked pretty clean and new. Certainly not a trace of rust. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 13:39	#17
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Thanks for the info Tom, Ross and Stu. I'll post up here if I get any further info. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

28-07-2007, 14:22	#18
stuball Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil yeah they do, there's 2 main types of driveshaft bolts, m8 and m10, they are all steach bolts and should be replaced if removed, the torque setting's m8 is 45Nm m10 is 25 Nm then 70Nm __________________ 5tu! 2006 Fabia vRS Black Magic, Xenons and C/control. PD160 intake, Cupra R console bushes 1999 Felicia Pickup Romantic Red,

30-07-2007, 13:24	#19
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Garage have said looks like the bolts were indeed not done up correctly and will be replacing various parts and obviously new bolts. ETA is tomorrow if the parts are in, however I am waiting for a call on them and have a feeling that might not be the case. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

30-07-2007, 15:21	#20
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,861 Thanks: 45 Thanked 81 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Only just heard about this - man that's gotta suck. Hope they sort it out properly this time, glad you didn't end up dropping the driveshaft out as that would have been pretty dangerous I'd imagine. __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

30-07-2007, 16:03	#21
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,478 Thanks: 106 Thanked 507 Times in 470 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil We both thought it sounded as if the wheel was going to come off. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

30-07-2007, 16:18	#22
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,861 Thanks: 45 Thanked 81 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Hayley should know what it sounds like - just ask her about the Renault 21 __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

31-07-2007, 09:42	#25
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,861 Thanks: 45 Thanked 81 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Driveshaft bolts and oil Worth suggesting for sure, I mean it could have got rather dangerous, at which point I have a feeling that garage might have been liable for it - as it does seem like a mistake was made. On the plus side they are sorting it out without arguing about it (sure they shouldnt argue, but still) so they may be willing to give ya a discount __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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