New Member after advice

1972PIXIE · 07-06-2007, 08:24

Hi All

I currently drive a 2000 reg Lexus IS200 which is a lovely car but of late I am really fancying an Octavia Estate.

My dilema is do I go for the VRS petrol or the VRS Diesel.

So a couple of questions :

1) Although the Petrol is quicker 0-60 does the diesel with its torque pull as quick when over taking or is the petrol handsdown quicker overall ?

2) How do they comapre overall

3) How do they compare spec wise ?

Also can you suggest extra that I should get put on when buying.

Thanks in Advance

Chris

Bagpuss · 07-06-2007, 09:47

Hi Chris,

I had the same dilemma when I was looking to order.

Generally, the petrol is quicker overall. However, on a twisty B-road, there is virtually nothing in it. If you are going to do straight line sprints, then the petrol will win.

Personally, I love the way the power is delivered in the TDi, especially the extra torque, which just makes general driving and overtaking so easy.

Combine this with the extra mpg, lower tax (as I'm a company car driver) and cheaper insurance and you've got a very tempting combination in the TDi. That's why I ordered one, and will taking delivery tomorrow.

The best way to decide is to test drive them both.

Spec. wise, both cars are identical in every way, except for the engine.

As for options, then I'd definitely go for the following:

Dual zone climate, rear leccy windows, jumbo box (currently a freebie if you order before 30th June).
Maxi-dot display (it finishes the dash off very nicely, you'll regret it if you don't get it).
Xenon headlights

Currently, you can also get free 18" alloys, so you may as well have them too.

If you've got the budget for it, then I'd also add the following:

Rain sensor, light assist, auto dimming mirror
Rear parking sensors
Curtain airbags

On mine, I've also got heated front seats. They still aren't listed as a standard option, but the dealer can do it. If you do a search on here, you will find the thread where we managed to get Skoda to agree to allow them on UK cars.

Bagpuss.

1972PIXIE · 07-06-2007, 10:11

Thanks Bagpuss

Is there any kind of Bluetooth option ?

Thanks

RSdriver · 07-06-2007, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1972PIXIE

Hi All

I currently drive a 2000 reg Lexus IS200 which is a lovely car but of late I am really fancying an Octavia Estate.

My dilema is do I go for the VRS petrol or the VRS Diesel.

So a couple of questions :

1) Although the Petrol is quicker 0-60 does the diesel with its torque pull as quick when over taking or is the petrol handsdown quicker overall ?

2) How do they comapre overall

3) How do they compare spec wise ?

Also can you suggest extra that I should get put on when buying.

Thanks in Advance

Chris

The petrol and the diesel is very similar to 0-60mph/0-100kmt, but from 0-160kmt, the petrol is much faster, about 5 sec

Bagpuss · 07-06-2007, 11:24

There is a bluetooth option, but Skoda UK don't have it on their options list.
Seemingly, it's available everywhere on mainland Europe, just not here.

VRStu is currently working on an article which documents how to retrofit the Skoda bluetooth to a UK car. However, it doesn't sound like it will be a cheap option, so you might be better off with a Parrot kit (or something similar).

With regards to the options, I would also be tempted to go for sunset glass (an estate only option).

Bagpuss.

1972PIXIE · 07-06-2007, 11:37

"Sunset Glass" ???

I might be tempted by the Estate.

Aspman · 07-06-2007, 11:44

I test drove the two of them almost back to back (24hr between).
It's really surprising how similar the two cars are. The diesel is very fast and the petrol has lots of torque. The petrol is that little bit faster I suppose.

It came down to maths for me, I'm not doing high mileage anymore and I wasn't going to save much over 3yr with the diesel. Maybe enough to cover the £800 difference but not by a lot. So I went with the extra 30bhp since it put a little bit more of a smile on my face (I'll smile more in 2 weeks when it gets delivered).

I would recommend that you do try to drive both versions.

The free upgrade offer is 18" alloys, dualzone climate (which includes the jumbo box armrest thingy and rear electric windows) and a lower finance rate.

I specced the Maxi-dot and cruise control on top of the standard. The lack of cruise I think is a bit stingy, even budget Vectras have that.

dstev2000 · 07-06-2007, 16:31

The sunset glass is worth getting if the budget stretches to it.

Don't even think of speccing the Sat nav, you can DIY it far far cheaper.

1972PIXIE · 07-06-2007, 16:40

I won't touch the manufacturers SATNAV, I have it fitted in my Lexus and the "off the shelf" systems are for more flexible POI, speed camera alerts etc.

Plus the updated CD/DVD's are very expensive. You could almost afford to buy a new Tomtom every year.

I am assuming that Sunset glass is like privicy glass, I put tints on the Lexus (rear only) due to the children having DVD screens in the back and the posts are right it is definatly worth it, Also IMo it enhances the look of the car.

dstev2000 · 07-06-2007, 16:48

My old barge with sunset glass:

And yes, the ladders are lovely and no, I didn't hit the bollard it's just the perspective!

And i've just realised I really miss that bloody car

Oh I forgot to add the following:

WELCOME TO BRISKODA!

1972PIXIE · 07-06-2007, 17:28

Thanks for the welcome dstev2000,

So the sunset is not as dark as the after market films

Not sure if this will work but you should ???? see a piccie

Jonno VRs · 07-06-2007, 17:52

Don't be fooled by the notion that diesels are now cool. They still sound liked buses

dstev2000 · 07-06-2007, 18:40

You either love weasels or hate em

I would imagine the vRS TDI is good for 450-500 miles per tank if driven normally, that's cool on my wallet at least.

The factory tint is not as dark as your Lexus IS by a mile, they are still very effective in what they do, they obscure anything on the back seats and block out a sensible amount of light but it all down to the demands of your little'uns is it not?

Jonno VRs · 07-06-2007, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstev2000

You either love weasels or hate em

I would imagine the vRS TDI is good for 450-500 miles per tank if driven normally, that's cool on my wallet at least.

The factory tint is not as dark as your Lexus IS by a mile, they are still very effective in what they do, they obscure anything on the back seats and block out a sensible amount of light but it all down to the demands of your little'uns is it not?

The dealer supplied sun shades are a good alternative to tints.

dstev2000 · 07-06-2007, 18:56

This is true, they are a bit darker than the Sunset glass aren't they?

Makefish · 07-06-2007, 19:18

Go careful with the current 'freebie' offer, 18" Alloys, Dual Zone & Jumbo Box are only available if the car is registered before the end of this month. I heard today that Skoda UK are importing a load 'ready' to go but they are just the basic car with ONLY these options.

dstev2000 · 07-06-2007, 19:31

That will probably be enough to tempt most people into signing on the dotted line, those goodies make a real difference to the car and it saves the dreaded 8-10 week wait.

Jonno VRs · 07-06-2007, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstev2000

This is true, they are a bit darker than the Sunset glass aren't they?

Difficult to say - makes it very hard to see in from the outside though!

VRS195 · 08-06-2007, 07:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makefish

Go careful with the current 'freebie' offer, 18" Alloys, Dual Zone & Jumbo Box are only available if the car is registered before the end of this month. I heard today that Skoda UK are importing a load 'ready' to go but they are just the basic car with ONLY these options.

The deal has been extended (on the quiet) as long as the car is ordered (with deposit) by 30th June SUK will honour the freebies, the car MUST be registered by 30th September.

see here:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/new-o...support/81101/

I am still awaiting news on the 5.1% APR and 3-years FREE servicing deal - dealer will know by 25th June if it is to continue.

If you are not financing, obvioulsy this wont matter. (Taking SUK finance is a prerequisite for the FREE servicing - it is not a stand alone offer AFAIK)

1972PIXIE · 08-06-2007, 07:32

OK thanks for the advice chaps, next question is can you please let me know what MPG your getting from your respective models, as we all know no one drives at 56mph...

Again thanks in advance.

dstev2000 · 08-06-2007, 08:05

My previous 2.0TDI was always loaded with tools and ladders (see pic) and it spent most of it's time sitting in the M25 traffic or "normal" motorway cruising speeds. It averaged overall 42 MPG but if driven sensibly would return 48-50 MPG fully laden.

Best I ever got was 58-60MPG, Totally empty car + 55-60 on the motorway.

Makefish · 08-06-2007, 08:13

Petrol vRS for me and I drive like a hooligan but average around 26 mpg. Others are achieving a lot better fuel economy than me but they drive like 'girls'

1972PIXIE · 08-06-2007, 08:18

Thats the sort of figures that I return in the Lex, I am sick of filling it up !!

If you believe the sales blub, the Petrol should be 35+ and the diesel 45+

I assume it bollards, which is why I'm asking the question.

bahnstormer vrs · 08-06-2007, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonno VRs

Don't be fooled by the notion that diesels are now cool. They still sound liked buses

On tickover the TDI may be a bit 'bus like' BUT the TFSI engine with its direct fuel injection is not exactly silent on tickover either!!

On full throttle? TDI sounds like a grizzly bear on heat !!

bahnstormer vrs · 08-06-2007, 09:01

I have the vRS TDI and am getting a solid 41 - 43mpg with pretty brisk driving; 45+ will be a possibility on a gentle M'way cruise and it will dip just below 40mpg if let rip.

I reasonably reckon the TFSI engine is 10mpg worse that this on 'like for like' driving.

I bought the TDI for 4 principal reasons;

1. As a Company Car the tax is lower by c. £800pa
2. I do 18 - 20,000 miles pa with virtually all being 'private' so fuel consumtion is important.
3. The TDI was 3 groups lower on Insurance and I could get my 19 year old, University sudent son covered to drive; Insurers would NOT cover him in a TFSI, and
4. I just LOVE the relaxed but fast driving style that the TDI with its Tsumani of torque gives. So what if against the stopwatch its a gnat's whisker slower than the TFSI; in the real world it is just as quick, and most of the time its a case of 'it aint what you drive but the way you drive it'!!

Options? Over and above the de rigeur 18s and dual climate/jumbo you have to have the Xenons, heated seats and maxidot (essential for SatNav); thereafter all down to personal preference. I otherwise just have the rear parking sensors.

07-06-2007, 08:24	#1
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New Member after advice Hi All I currently drive a 2000 reg Lexus IS200 which is a lovely car but of late I am really fancying an Octavia Estate. My dilema is do I go for the VRS petrol or the VRS Diesel. So a couple of questions : 1) Although the Petrol is quicker 0-60 does the diesel with its torque pull as quick when over taking or is the petrol handsdown quicker overall ? 2) How do they comapre overall 3) How do they compare spec wise ? Also can you suggest extra that I should get put on when buying. Thanks in Advance Chris

07-06-2007, 09:47	#2
Bagpuss FatFurryCatpuss Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cornwall Posts: 675 Members Car: Steel Grey Superb 2.0TDI 170CR Elegance Thanks: 13 Thanked 53 Times in 39 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Hi Chris, I had the same dilemma when I was looking to order. Generally, the petrol is quicker overall. However, on a twisty B-road, there is virtually nothing in it. If you are going to do straight line sprints, then the petrol will win. Personally, I love the way the power is delivered in the TDi, especially the extra torque, which just makes general driving and overtaking so easy. Combine this with the extra mpg, lower tax (as I'm a company car driver) and cheaper insurance and you've got a very tempting combination in the TDi. That's why I ordered one, and will taking delivery tomorrow. The best way to decide is to test drive them both. Spec. wise, both cars are identical in every way, except for the engine. As for options, then I'd definitely go for the following: Dual zone climate, rear leccy windows, jumbo box (currently a freebie if you order before 30th June). Maxi-dot display (it finishes the dash off very nicely, you'll regret it if you don't get it). Xenon headlights Currently, you can also get free 18" alloys, so you may as well have them too. If you've got the budget for it, then I'd also add the following: Rain sensor, light assist, auto dimming mirror Rear parking sensors Curtain airbags On mine, I've also got heated front seats. They still aren't listed as a standard option, but the dealer can do it. If you do a search on here, you will find the thread where we managed to get Skoda to agree to allow them on UK cars. Bagpuss.

07-06-2007, 10:11	#3
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Thanks Bagpuss Is there any kind of Bluetooth option ? Thanks

07-06-2007, 11:24	#5
Bagpuss FatFurryCatpuss Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cornwall Posts: 675 Members Car: Steel Grey Superb 2.0TDI 170CR Elegance Thanks: 13 Thanked 53 Times in 39 Posts	Re: New Member after advice There is a bluetooth option, but Skoda UK don't have it on their options list. Seemingly, it's available everywhere on mainland Europe, just not here. VRStu is currently working on an article which documents how to retrofit the Skoda bluetooth to a UK car. However, it doesn't sound like it will be a cheap option, so you might be better off with a Parrot kit (or something similar). With regards to the options, I would also be tempted to go for sunset glass (an estate only option). Bagpuss.

07-06-2007, 11:37	#6
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Member after advice "Sunset Glass" ??? I might be tempted by the Estate.

07-06-2007, 11:44	#7
Aspman Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,050 Members Car: Octavia VRS TFSI Thanks: 10 Thanked 59 Times in 52 Posts	Re: New Member after advice I test drove the two of them almost back to back (24hr between). It's really surprising how similar the two cars are. The diesel is very fast and the petrol has lots of torque. The petrol is that little bit faster I suppose. It came down to maths for me, I'm not doing high mileage anymore and I wasn't going to save much over 3yr with the diesel. Maybe enough to cover the £800 difference but not by a lot. So I went with the extra 30bhp since it put a little bit more of a smile on my face (I'll smile more in 2 weeks when it gets delivered). I would recommend that you do try to drive both versions. The free upgrade offer is 18" alloys, dualzone climate (which includes the jumbo box armrest thingy and rear electric windows) and a lower finance rate. I specced the Maxi-dot and cruise control on top of the standard. The lack of cruise I think is a bit stingy, even budget Vectras have that. __________________ The TazZone Forums

07-06-2007, 16:31	#8
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: New Member after advice The sunset glass is worth getting if the budget stretches to it. Don't even think of speccing the Sat nav, you can DIY it far far cheaper. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

07-06-2007, 16:40	#9
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Member after advice I won't touch the manufacturers SATNAV, I have it fitted in my Lexus and the "off the shelf" systems are for more flexible POI, speed camera alerts etc. Plus the updated CD/DVD's are very expensive. You could almost afford to buy a new Tomtom every year. I am assuming that Sunset glass is like privicy glass, I put tints on the Lexus (rear only) due to the children having DVD screens in the back and the posts are right it is definatly worth it, Also IMo it enhances the look of the car.

07-06-2007, 16:48	#10
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: New Member after advice My old barge with sunset glass: And yes, the ladders are lovely and no, I didn't hit the bollard it's just the perspective! And i've just realised I really miss that bloody car Oh I forgot to add the following: WELCOME TO BRISKODA! __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard Last edited by dstev2000; 07-06-2007 at 16:58. Reason: Welcome added

07-06-2007, 17:28	#11
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Thanks for the welcome dstev2000, So the sunset is not as dark as the after market films Not sure if this will work but you should ???? see a piccie

07-06-2007, 17:52	#12
Jonno VRs Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 1,239 Members Car: Octy II VRs 200 Thanks: 10 Thanked 48 Times in 47 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Don't be fooled by the notion that diesels are now cool. They still sound liked buses __________________ 06 Skoda Octavia VRs 200 bhp (Black) Coming soon: 58 Skoda Octavia VRs CR TDi (Candy White) Previous Cars: 04 Audi TT 3.2 V6 250 bhp (Black) 02 VW Golf V5 170 bhp (Black)

07-06-2007, 18:40	#13
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: New Member after advice You either love weasels or hate em I would imagine the vRS TDI is good for 450-500 miles per tank if driven normally, that's cool on my wallet at least. The factory tint is not as dark as your Lexus IS by a mile, they are still very effective in what they do, they obscure anything on the back seats and block out a sensible amount of light but it all down to the demands of your little'uns is it not? __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

07-06-2007, 18:56	#15
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: New Member after advice This is true, they are a bit darker than the Sunset glass aren't they? __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

07-06-2007, 19:18	#16
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Go careful with the current 'freebie' offer, 18" Alloys, Dual Zone & Jumbo Box are only available if the car is registered before the end of this month. I heard today that Skoda UK are importing a load 'ready' to go but they are just the basic car with ONLY these options. __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm

07-06-2007, 19:31	#17
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: New Member after advice That will probably be enough to tempt most people into signing on the dotted line, those goodies make a real difference to the car and it saves the dreaded 8-10 week wait. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

08-06-2007, 07:32	#20
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Member after advice OK thanks for the advice chaps, next question is can you please let me know what MPG your getting from your respective models, as we all know no one drives at 56mph... Again thanks in advance.

08-06-2007, 08:05	#21
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Re: New Member after advice My previous 2.0TDI was always loaded with tools and ladders (see pic) and it spent most of it's time sitting in the M25 traffic or "normal" motorway cruising speeds. It averaged overall 42 MPG but if driven sensibly would return 48-50 MPG fully laden. Best I ever got was 58-60MPG, Totally empty car + 55-60 on the motorway. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

08-06-2007, 08:13	#22
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Petrol vRS for me and I drive like a hooligan but average around 26 mpg. Others are achieving a lot better fuel economy than me but they drive like 'girls' __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm

08-06-2007, 08:18	#23
1972PIXIE Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 14 Members Car: Lexus IS200 SE (nav) Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Member after advice Thats the sort of figures that I return in the Lex, I am sick of filling it up !! If you believe the sales blub, the Petrol should be 35+ and the diesel 45+ I assume it bollards, which is why I'm asking the question.

08-06-2007, 09:01	#25
bahnstormer vrs Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Herts Posts: 2,672 Members Car: Octavia vRS TDI - Koni FSDs & RallyFlapz Thanks: 46 Thanked 154 Times in 139 Posts	Re: New Member after advice I have the vRS TDI and am getting a solid 41 - 43mpg with pretty brisk driving; 45+ will be a possibility on a gentle M'way cruise and it will dip just below 40mpg if let rip. I reasonably reckon the TFSI engine is 10mpg worse that this on 'like for like' driving. I bought the TDI for 4 principal reasons; 1. As a Company Car the tax is lower by c. £800pa 2. I do 18 - 20,000 miles pa with virtually all being 'private' so fuel consumtion is important. 3. The TDI was 3 groups lower on Insurance and I could get my 19 year old, University sudent son covered to drive; Insurers would NOT cover him in a TFSI, and 4. I just LOVE the relaxed but fast driving style that the TDI with its Tsumani of torque gives. So what if against the stopwatch its a gnat's whisker slower than the TFSI; in the real world it is just as quick, and most of the time its a case of 'it aint what you drive but the way you drive it'!! Options? Over and above the de rigeur 18s and dual climate/jumbo you have to have the Xenons, heated seats and maxidot (essential for SatNav); thereafter all down to personal preference. I otherwise just have the rear parking sensors.

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