New vRS only 180 BHP? Maybe...

Witchfinder · 05-07-2005, 17:16

The clue comes in this months Evo magazine. Page 57 carries a review of the new SEAT Leon 2.0 TFSI, in which the 2 litre turbo engine appears. Significantly, the car has 182 BHP and 199lb ft.

Granted, it's not the Cupra (or FR or whatever they're calling them), but given that SEAT are part of the "sporty" side of VAG, are we seeing the shape of things to come? The £17,500 pricetag certainly seems to suggest the kind of spec we might get for the anticipated price of a vRS II.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the new Octavia vRS with the same 182 BHP engine, and a diesel option as some have speculated. All in all though, I reckon it's looking pretty bleak. Skoda are heading off into surreal territory with the Yeti and the Roomster. Who knows? We may not even see an Octavia vRS II at all.

Fasterbaby · 05-07-2005, 17:18

Might help our hold some money then

lozgti · 05-07-2005, 17:22

No way could they have any credibility or expect anyone to buy the new one if that happened.

I hope I am not going to eat my words in Dec!

As for the Yeti/Roomster think the Fab needs replacing thats all.Don't think the middle of the range will see skoda producing anything odd.Especially if they are getting in to fleet markets.

steve · 05-07-2005, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchfinder

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the new Octavia vRS with the same 182 BHP engine,

That will deal with the 'MK2 is quicker than the MK1 b'llox then'

Steve

bengie · 05-07-2005, 18:02

why would a 182bhp engine be a problem???

it'll only be a detuned version of the same engine like my 4x4, same engine as the vRS just mapped different to give lower power but have the same potential when tuned.

for the sake of 20bhp i don't think they are going to change much if anything on the engine other than the map.

L-Y-K · 05-07-2005, 18:34

you could always tune it! any ways it will still be a vRS and will still look good...im sure they will give it loads of kit we wil just have to wait and see

Witchfinder · 05-07-2005, 23:14

You shouldn't have to tune it. You may as well add abother £500 to the list price (and two or three insurance groups equivalent). When looking at a potential new car, I don't immediately think about chipping it. If it's tunable, then that's a happy coincidence.

Besides, the difference between the 210 and 225 BHP versions of the 1.8 turbo are quite big aren't they? The former is already close to it's maximum potential, while the latter has plenty left to give (IIRC).

The game has moved on. People want 225+ BHP, not 180. Especially in a heavy lump like the Octavia!

WW_VRS · 06-07-2005, 07:06

The vRS will be better than the non-vRS models in handling no doubt - but the Octy I drove was all over the place in corners. Hopefully they'll let me have an Octy II at some point as a courtesy car

If I had to choose between a stressed out petrol turbo or a less stressed, more powerful petrol turbo that would be a no-brainer.

I'd be surprised if there would be a less powerful than the Octy I vRS - petrol or diesel. The diesel one at about 180 bhp would be pretty fast, but you'd want a petrol one too to keep the existing Octy vRS base happy.

I've got a feeling a diesel vRS (Octy) would be a good strategic move on behalf of Skoda, as when people grow out of the Furby vRS from a 'need more space' point of view, a bigger version of the 'same' would make a lot of sense. But then I'm not in marketing

**delcac** · 06-07-2005, 07:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchfinder

You shouldn't have to tune it. You may as well add abother £500 to the list price (and two or three insurance groups equivalent). When looking at a potential new car, I don't immediately think about chipping it. If it's tunable, then that's a happy coincidence.

Besides, the difference between the 210 and 225 BHP versions of the 1.8 turbo are quite big aren't they? The former is already close to it's maximum potential, while the latter has plenty left to give (IIRC).

The game has moved on. People want 225+ BHP, not 180. Especially in a heavy lump like the Octavia!

I'm praying that they don't use the FSi engine and that they drop in a 225bhp 1.8T out of the TT/LCR set up. Stronger engine bits, 2 intercoolers, K04, 280bhp here we come. I won't the engine mounted longitudinally as well, don't want a lot do I.

WW_VRS · 06-07-2005, 07:47

Wouldnt you just want a single FMIC rather than two SMICs? For the rest, sounds ace

**delcac** · 06-07-2005, 08:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

Wouldnt you just want a single FMIC rather than two SMICs? For the rest, sounds ace

Well as one has already paid for it seems a shame not to use it.

SkodiRS · 06-07-2005, 08:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

why would a 182bhp engine be a problem???

it'll only be a detuned version of the same engine like my 4x4, same engine as the vRS just mapped different to give lower power but have the same potential when tuned.

for the sake of 20bhp i don't think they are going to change much if anything on the engine other than the map.

The turbo FSI engine isn't as tuneable as the 1.8t....apparently.

Injectors are in the region of £1k....apparently.

lozgti · 06-07-2005, 08:51

Not wanting to detract but the only things I have read about the 2.0 fsi have been rather negative. Suggestions of it not being fully proven etc.

I would have thought it would have been tested to within an inch of its life.It is of course running in numerous vag cars,Audi's,VW and skoda.I thought it was quite economical too.

From what has been said though,if the 2.0T goes in you are pretty much stuck with 200bhp.

Gula faran · 06-07-2005, 08:56

If you come to the RS-day at Emmaboda airport in Sweden 17/9 you will se the new vRS. Last year at Bromma airport a Fabia vRS won the super stage against 30-40 Octavia vRS. It was raining that day.
If you want to be in the audience click publik.
Only people how owns a vRS in Sweden can race at RS-day.
You will also se a 4x4 Fabia rallycross with 500bhp.
http://www.rsdagen.se/

kenny · 06-07-2005, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by delcac

I won't the engine mounted longitudinally as well, don't want a lot do I.

what is your reason for this out of interest?

**TaviaRS** · 06-07-2005, 10:22

Easier to drop the 2.7 twin turbo from the last S4 in innit

Having said that, the Superb is longditudinal < wanders off to look for cheap second hand Superb >

SkodiRS · 06-07-2005, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny

what is your reason for this out of interest?

Probably so he can have access to all the Stateside mods stuff for Audis....damn...forget Des keep shis cars standard.

Longtitudinal mounting of the engie may be potentially bad for handling...if like Audis the engine is way out infront of the front axle.

Dutch4x4 · 06-07-2005, 10:45

But... the Leon 2.0T FSI is only the "regular" Sport-Up version, so not an FR - which is Seat's opposite to the vRS tag.

So might we expect a regular 185 euro-hp Octavia Elegance then, which is probably a detuned 200hp lump anyway?

I can't see the FR getting anything less than 200hp, so that should apply to a proper vRS too.

And what about the 170hp 2.0 TDI version of which there is talk?

FTM · 06-07-2005, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchfinder

You shouldn't have to tune it. You may as well add abother £500 to the list price (and two or three insurance groups equivalent). When looking at a potential new car, I don't immediately think about chipping it. If it's tunable, then that's a happy coincidence.

Besides, the difference between the 210 and 225 BHP versions of the 1.8 turbo are quite big aren't they? The former is already close to it's maximum potential, while the latter has plenty left to give (IIRC).

The game has moved on. People want 225+ BHP, not 180. Especially in a heavy lump like the Octavia!

I agree with this statement..you only have to look at similar sized cars..and ones I would consider when I come to replace my vRS

new volvo s40 t4 - 220bhp
Saab9-3 2.0T aero - 210bhp

a replacement vRS with 180 brake is going to look underpowered compared to similar sized siblings

Witchfinder · 06-07-2005, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

Easier to drop the 2.7 twin turbo from the last S4 in innit

The latest S4's 4.2 litre V8 would be my choice

I like the 2.7 biturbo from the old S4, but it doesn't meet new emmissions laws. Neither does the 1.8T, IIRC.

I can't imagine the new vRS not being the 2.0 TFSI. I suppose we just need to hold our breath for the state of tune it'll arrive in.

Witchfinder · 06-07-2005, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch4x4

But... the Leon 2.0T FSI is only the "regular" Sport-Up version, so not an FR - which is Seat's opposite to the vRS tag.

Considering the price of the Leon, and that SEAT's pricing is generally similar to Skoda's, then you'd expect a £17,500 vRS to be about the same spec (maybe with extra 1/2 leather thrown in). Anything more than £17,500 and Skoda are entering dangerous ground.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch4x4

And what about the 170hp 2.0 TDI version of which there is talk?

An oil burning vRS? Don't make me laugh!

OK, I can see your point, but with diesel engines being somewhat more expensive, and the servicing being a lot more frequent, you need to be doing 20,000 miles a year or more to make putting up with that horrible rattle worthwhile. How much would you pay for a 170 BHP diesel "sports" saloon?

pbirkett · 06-07-2005, 12:24

Christ, people seem to believe what they like on here.

I have it on good authority from someone who knows what they are talking about, who works for skoda, that the vRS will be a 2.0T FSI 197 bhp and 2.0 TDI 170 bhp.

No need to panic guys.

The 185 bhp Leon is just a "Sport". The FR gets the 197 bhp FSI engine, and the Cupra gets a 240 bhp derivative (so i've heard).

As for the 2.0 not being as tunable, it might not be, yet......

kenny · 06-07-2005, 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkodiRS

Probably so he can have access to all the Stateside mods stuff for Audis....damn...forget Des keep shis cars standard.

Longtitudinal mounting of the engie may be potentially bad for handling...if like Audis the engine is way out infront of the front axle.

ahh now i understand

i may be calling for some advice on what to do with my audi then

mdk1 · 06-07-2005, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by delcac

I'm praying that they don't use the FSi engine and that they drop in a 225bhp 1.8T out of the TT/LCR set up. Stronger engine bits, 2 intercoolers, K04, 280bhp here we come. I won't the engine mounted longitudinally as well, don't want a lot do I.

I heard that you can no longer buy a TT with the above engine according to this weeks Autocar. Are they going to use it somewhere else

Joe T · 06-07-2005, 19:56

Diesel Car magazine have confirmed the 170 bhp diesel vrs.

05-07-2005, 17:16	#1
Witchfinder Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wheelspinning 'round the wet roads of Manchester Posts: 1,284 Members Car: 2004 Ford Mondeo ST220 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New vRS only 180 BHP? Maybe... The clue comes in this months Evo magazine. Page 57 carries a review of the new SEAT Leon 2.0 TFSI, in which the 2 litre turbo engine appears. Significantly, the car has 182 BHP and 199lb ft. Granted, it's not the Cupra (or FR or whatever they're calling them), but given that SEAT are part of the "sporty" side of VAG, are we seeing the shape of things to come? The £17,500 pricetag certainly seems to suggest the kind of spec we might get for the anticipated price of a vRS II. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the new Octavia vRS with the same 182 BHP engine, and a diesel option as some have speculated. All in all though, I reckon it's looking pretty bleak. Skoda are heading off into surreal territory with the Yeti and the Roomster. Who knows? We may not even see an Octavia vRS II at all. __________________ Rob Illing Play Interstellar War: "Fleet Battles" and "Conquest" for free! The ST220 has landed! Die Micra, Die! Last edited by Witchfinder; 05-07-2005 at 17:20.

05-07-2005, 17:18	#2
Fasterbaby Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 732 Members Car: Occy VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Might help our hold some money then __________________ www.fasterbaby.co.uk www.ulcebybengals.co.uk My gallery Ex Octavia Vrs, now Volvo 850 T5 Rica'd to 304 bhp.

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bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,251 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	why would a 182bhp engine be a problem??? it'll only be a detuned version of the same engine like my 4x4, same engine as the vRS just mapped different to give lower power but have the same potential when tuned. for the sake of 20bhp i don't think they are going to change much if anything on the engine other than the map. __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

05-07-2005, 18:34	#6
L-Y-K Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: A30 Newquay Cornwall Posts: 4,219 Members Car: Fabia 1.9 TDI Thanks: 39 Thanked 44 Times in 40 Posts	you could always tune it! any ways it will still be a vRS and will still look good...im sure they will give it loads of kit we wil just have to wait and see __________________ Fabia Bohemia Mods - 16" BBS Montreal's, Blaupunkt Rome nav, fitted front and rear areo wipers, rear OEM speakers fitted, vw damped grab handles.

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Witchfinder Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wheelspinning 'round the wet roads of Manchester Posts: 1,284 Members Car: 2004 Ford Mondeo ST220 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You shouldn't have to tune it. You may as well add abother £500 to the list price (and two or three insurance groups equivalent). When looking at a potential new car, I don't immediately think about chipping it. If it's tunable, then that's a happy coincidence. Besides, the difference between the 210 and 225 BHP versions of the 1.8 turbo are quite big aren't they? The former is already close to it's maximum potential, while the latter has plenty left to give (IIRC). The game has moved on. People want 225+ BHP, not 180. Especially in a heavy lump like the Octavia! __________________ Rob Illing Play Interstellar War: "Fleet Battles" and "Conquest" for free! The ST220 has landed! Die Micra, Die!

05-07-2005, 17:22	#3
lozgti Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: midlands Posts: 5,719 Members Car: Thanks: 10 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	No way could they have any credibility or expect anyone to buy the new one if that happened. I hope I am not going to eat my words in Dec! As for the Yeti/Roomster think the Fab needs replacing thats all.Don't think the middle of the range will see skoda producing anything odd.Especially if they are getting in to fleet markets.

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WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,864 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	The vRS will be better than the non-vRS models in handling no doubt - but the Octy I drove was all over the place in corners. Hopefully they'll let me have an Octy II at some point as a courtesy car If I had to choose between a stressed out petrol turbo or a less stressed, more powerful petrol turbo that would be a no-brainer. I'd be surprised if there would be a less powerful than the Octy I vRS - petrol or diesel. The diesel one at about 180 bhp would be pretty fast, but you'd want a petrol one too to keep the existing Octy vRS base happy. I've got a feeling a diesel vRS (Octy) would be a good strategic move on behalf of Skoda, as when people grow out of the Furby vRS from a 'need more space' point of view, a bigger version of the 'same' would make a lot of sense. But then I'm not in marketing __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,864 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	Wouldnt you just want a single FMIC rather than two SMICs? For the rest, sounds ace __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

06-07-2005, 08:51	#13
lozgti Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: midlands Posts: 5,719 Members Car: Thanks: 10 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Not wanting to detract but the only things I have read about the 2.0 fsi have been rather negative. Suggestions of it not being fully proven etc. I would have thought it would have been tested to within an inch of its life.It is of course running in numerous vag cars,Audi's,VW and skoda.I thought it was quite economical too. From what has been said though,if the 2.0T goes in you are pretty much stuck with 200bhp.

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Gula faran Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 216 Members Car: Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	If you come to the RS-day at Emmaboda airport in Sweden 17/9 you will se the new vRS. Last year at Bromma airport a Fabia vRS won the super stage against 30-40 Octavia vRS. It was raining that day. If you want to be in the audience click publik. Only people how owns a vRS in Sweden can race at RS-day. You will also se a 4x4 Fabia rallycross with 500bhp. http://www.rsdagen.se/

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Dutch4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: kicking up feet in the Formula Stealth paddock Posts: 3,153 Members Car: 1.8T Elegance Hatchback 4x4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	But... the Leon 2.0T FSI is only the "regular" Sport-Up version, so not an FR - which is Seat's opposite to the vRS tag. So might we expect a regular 185 euro-hp Octavia Elegance then, which is probably a detuned 200hp lump anyway? I can't see the FR getting anything less than 200hp, so that should apply to a proper vRS too. And what about the 170hp 2.0 TDI version of which there is talk? __________________ Mrs D's Briskoda: Octavia 4x4 turbo (2003), Oettinger 210, Koni Sport, MAD Sportive, Dotz Le Mans 17", Bridgestone Potenza S-03, sports interior. And a Fiesta ST (2006) for myself...

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pbirkett Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,873 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Christ, people seem to believe what they like on here. I have it on good authority from someone who knows what they are talking about, who works for skoda, that the vRS will be a 2.0T FSI 197 bhp and 2.0 TDI 170 bhp. No need to panic guys. The 185 bhp Leon is just a "Sport". The FR gets the 197 bhp FSI engine, and the Cupra gets a 240 bhp derivative (so i've heard). As for the 2.0 not being as tunable, it might not be, yet......

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