Single Mass Flywheel Conversion

cheezemonkhai · 11-05-2008, 22:13

Does anyone know of a single mass flywheel for the 2.0 TDI?

I know devonmikeyboy was running one on his slightly fettled 2.0 TDI.

I heard skoda do an SMF kit for taxi's but is this for the 1.9 only or does anyone know if they do one for the 2.0?

Thanks

dan_the_v8man · 11-05-2008, 23:22

why do the taxi's get special treatment?

Taxi 219 · 12-05-2008, 00:27

Because we drive the sh*t out of them

cheezemonkhai · 12-05-2008, 00:52

Because they go through DMF's at a rather fast rate as they are not really suited to that sort of driving.

Oddly enough Taxi will probably know who told me about this too.

The DMF seriously is a brain-dead bit of over engineering backed up by manufacturing down to cost.

Lummox · 12-05-2008, 06:36

Hmm I have a spare SMF from a SDi, wonder how that would work? Not sure on sizes, will have to check.

cheezemonkhai · 12-05-2008, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

Hmm I have a spare SMF from a SDi, wonder how that would work? Not sure on sizes, will have to check.

Would be much appreciate Ross.

Will be having a chat with skoda, but I think I'm fairly certain yet another DMF is starting to fail on me.

Oddly enough there was an Honest John article in the paper that was questioning if modern dervs are worth it now due to DMF and turbo issues they all seem to have.

dan_the_v8man · 12-05-2008, 10:52

hmm so whats the point in a dmf?

ap0gee · 12-05-2008, 10:57

It supposedly reduces vibration by damping the link between the crankshaft and the gearbox. However, if you boot it at very low revs (mechanically unsympathetic IMHO), you can mash the internals...

dan_the_v8man · 12-05-2008, 11:22

had a dual mass flywheel on my focus tdci, all i know is the ecu used to cut the engine out at about 800rpm to protect the dmf, as a result it was the easiest car in the world to stall and went with one hell of a bang when it did stall

cheezemonkhai · 12-05-2008, 11:31

The focus did protect it's DMF on the 115 1.8 TDCI, but still one died on the fathers car. IIRC the ford garage said it was common on that engine.

A DMF is IMHO bad because if you have always driven diesel using the low revs then you can't drive how you are used to driving.

When I say from low revs I don't mean booting it from low, just using the torque to pull you around most places below 2k rpm and save fuel. After all that is the whole point of a derv, not having ot rev it hard to get around.

The DMF has springs in it that compress every time you accelerate so they are eventually going to wear out anyway. They are obviously not, IMHO, strong enough for a high torque engine and hence the problems people are seeing in all brands of car.

Basically IMHO, a heavier SMF would have damped the car just fine as would a small pre injection of fuel or a number of things which are simpler in design that a DMF.

In all the cars I've ever drive we have never replaced a flywheel even on ones doing 150-250k miles.

Sure both of those had a new clutch, but then the cars were been driven by 2 or 3 people and one or more of those were new drivers.

It now looks like 80k is standard for a new clutch and flywheel. I've been through more than one of both and the car hasn't even hit 50k yet.

dan_the_v8man · 12-05-2008, 11:38

mines was the 1.8 100 tdci, does the vRS TFSi have a dmf then?

cheezemonkhai · 12-05-2008, 11:55

No idea on the petrol engines I'm affraid.

Tom_vRS · 12-05-2008, 13:34

Yes it does.

The clutch is 240mm on both vehicles, and I understand they have the same gearbox and flywheels too.

However the TFSI isn't as agressive with the torque, so should be more durable.

cheezemonkhai · 12-05-2008, 14:21

Is this a G60 Flywheel and clutch and am i reading that correctly that it is for a 2.0 TDI or should it read 2.0, tdi and 1.8t?

Performance Cafe - VW & Audi Parts - Aftermarket & OEM

Valeo do a kit but it doesn't mention the 2.0

Valeo Service UK and Eire (Unitedkingdom - EN)

If so that seems a damn sight better than eating DMF's every 6 months

Goby · 23-09-2008, 17:27

Will replace the DMF on my vRS TDI 2007 next Monday...
The new flywheel/clutch kit is made by ZF Sachs; P/N 883089 000034
This is a complete kit with solid flywheel and organic clutch, just the releaser is missing
Have done this DMF to SMF conversion on a Volvo V70 2.5T including the Sachs clutch, no problem except for a very heavy clutch pedal...

The clutch designed for the 2.0 TDI will survive up to 530Nm of torque

I will report more later, good news and eventually bad news

Bye from Sweden

Taxi 219 · 23-09-2008, 18:01

Interesting that is thanks

Spoke to SUK last week and asked them about a SMF for 1.9 but they no nothing about it and CZ don,t talk technical to public enqiuries.Mine is needed to be done soon as its juddering like crazy now and when you drive in 4th at 30mph or lower its juddering most of the time.

cheezemonkhai · 23-09-2008, 19:38

Give Kate at JKM a call.

They told me they had a 1.9 DMF conversion, but that the 2.0 was in the works a good few months back now.

On that note I'd be fairly confident if there is one available for the 1.9 they will be able to supply and fit it for a fair price.

Taxi 219 · 23-09-2008, 19:45

Thanks mate

still got 18 months warranty left so will get done at dealer soon before self destruction happens.

sebulbus · 23-09-2008, 20:36

I'd book it in before they'd have to tow me out of some busy junction.

JKM_Performance · 24-09-2008, 13:38

Hi Guys,

Yes SACHS Clutch kit and flywheel modules for both the 1.9 and 2.0 TDI engines are now both available.

These kits replace the troublesome dual mass flywheel with a high quality billet steel one and a specific heavy duty clutch with torsion damper.

The retail price on both kits is £864.91 plus VAT
Fitting is £250 plus VAT
You also need to allow a few extra pennies approx £20 or so for new bolts etc.

Not fitted one as yet, but SACHS have had great feed back from customers who had them fitted direct by of SACHS during the testing period.

Kind Regards
Kate

11-05-2008, 22:13	#1
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Does anyone know of a single mass flywheel for the 2.0 TDI? I know devonmikeyboy was running one on his slightly fettled 2.0 TDI. I heard skoda do an SMF kit for taxi's but is this for the 1.9 only or does anyone know if they do one for the 2.0? Thanks __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

11-05-2008, 23:22	#2
dan_the_v8man Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sheffield Posts: 341 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion why do the taxi's get special treatment? __________________ 57 Mk2 2.0TFSI vRS Estate in Race Blue, jumbo box, cruise control, dual zone climate, zenith 18", maxidot, xenon's, rear parking sensors, light assistance, sunset glass

12-05-2008, 00:27	#3
Taxi 219 Not anymore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 2,166 Thanks: 99 Thanked 101 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Because we drive the sht out of them __________________ Car now: 56 Octavia MK2 1.9TDi Ambiente-Debadged-Metallic Flamenco Red DMF Reqiured soon Previous: 06 Octavia Mk1 1.9TDi Classic with + pack-Diamond Silver Sadly missed: 97 Nissan Primera 2.0TDi SLX- Red Paul* I only live for GTA IV

12-05-2008, 00:52	#4
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Because they go through DMF's at a rather fast rate as they are not really suited to that sort of driving. Oddly enough Taxi will probably know who told me about this too. The DMF seriously is a brain-dead bit of over engineering backed up by manufacturing down to cost. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

12-05-2008, 06:36	#5
Lummox U18 Automotive Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,799 Thanks: 22 Thanked 658 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Hmm I have a spare SMF from a SDi, wonder how that would work? Not sure on sizes, will have to check. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services now open Servicing, repairs, modifications you name it we do it. Cupra console bushes at special price, PM for a very competitive quote.

12-05-2008, 10:52	#7
dan_the_v8man Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sheffield Posts: 341 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion hmm so whats the point in a dmf? __________________ 57 Mk2 2.0TFSI vRS Estate in Race Blue, jumbo box, cruise control, dual zone climate, zenith 18", maxidot, xenon's, rear parking sensors, light assistance, sunset glass

12-05-2008, 10:57	#8
ap0gee ASZ Eternal Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Leafy Chesh-shire Posts: 6,516 Thanks: 322 Thanked 315 Times in 271 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion It supposedly reduces vibration by damping the link between the crankshaft and the gearbox. However, if you boot it at very low revs (mechanically unsympathetic IMHO), you can mash the internals... __________________

12-05-2008, 11:22	#9
dan_the_v8man Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sheffield Posts: 341 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion had a dual mass flywheel on my focus tdci, all i know is the ecu used to cut the engine out at about 800rpm to protect the dmf, as a result it was the easiest car in the world to stall and went with one hell of a bang when it did stall __________________ 57 Mk2 2.0TFSI vRS Estate in Race Blue, jumbo box, cruise control, dual zone climate, zenith 18", maxidot, xenon's, rear parking sensors, light assistance, sunset glass

12-05-2008, 11:31	#10
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion The focus did protect it's DMF on the 115 1.8 TDCI, but still one died on the fathers car. IIRC the ford garage said it was common on that engine. A DMF is IMHO bad because if you have always driven diesel using the low revs then you can't drive how you are used to driving. When I say from low revs I don't mean booting it from low, just using the torque to pull you around most places below 2k rpm and save fuel. After all that is the whole point of a derv, not having ot rev it hard to get around. The DMF has springs in it that compress every time you accelerate so they are eventually going to wear out anyway. They are obviously not, IMHO, strong enough for a high torque engine and hence the problems people are seeing in all brands of car. Basically IMHO, a heavier SMF would have damped the car just fine as would a small pre injection of fuel or a number of things which are simpler in design that a DMF. In all the cars I've ever drive we have never replaced a flywheel even on ones doing 150-250k miles. Sure both of those had a new clutch, but then the cars were been driven by 2 or 3 people and one or more of those were new drivers. It now looks like 80k is standard for a new clutch and flywheel. I've been through more than one of both and the car hasn't even hit 50k yet. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

12-05-2008, 11:38	#11
dan_the_v8man Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sheffield Posts: 341 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion mines was the 1.8 100 tdci, does the vRS TFSi have a dmf then? __________________ 57 Mk2 2.0TFSI vRS Estate in Race Blue, jumbo box, cruise control, dual zone climate, zenith 18", maxidot, xenon's, rear parking sensors, light assistance, sunset glass

12-05-2008, 11:55	#12
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion No idea on the petrol engines I'm affraid. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

12-05-2008, 13:34	#13
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,052 Thanks: 622 Thanked 375 Times in 256 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Yes it does. The clutch is 240mm on both vehicles, and I understand they have the same gearbox and flywheels too. However the TFSI isn't as agressive with the torque, so should be more durable. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green. Don't miss the new DR COLORCHIPS GROUP BUY!

12-05-2008, 14:21	#14
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Is this a G60 Flywheel and clutch and am i reading that correctly that it is for a 2.0 TDI or should it read 2.0, tdi and 1.8t? Performance Cafe - VW & Audi Parts - Aftermarket & OEM Valeo do a kit but it doesn't mention the 2.0 Valeo Service UK and Eire (Unitedkingdom - EN) If so that seems a damn sight better than eating DMF's every 6 months __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment. Last edited by cheezemonkhai; 12-05-2008 at 14:29.

23-09-2008, 18:01	#16
Taxi 219 Not anymore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 2,166 Thanks: 99 Thanked 101 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Interesting that is thanks Spoke to SUK last week and asked them about a SMF for 1.9 but they no nothing about it and CZ don,t talk technical to public enqiuries.Mine is needed to be done soon as its juddering like crazy now and when you drive in 4th at 30mph or lower its juddering most of the time. __________________ Car now: 56 Octavia MK2 1.9TDi Ambiente-Debadged-Metallic Flamenco Red DMF Reqiured soon Previous: 06 Octavia Mk1 1.9TDi Classic with + pack-Diamond Silver Sadly missed: 97 Nissan Primera 2.0TDi SLX- Red Paul I only live for GTA IV

23-09-2008, 19:38	#17
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,723 Thanks: 91 Thanked 412 Times in 383 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Give Kate at JKM a call. They told me they had a 1.9 DMF conversion, but that the 2.0 was in the works a good few months back now. On that note I'd be fairly confident if there is one available for the 1.9 they will be able to supply and fit it for a fair price. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

23-09-2008, 19:45	#18
Taxi 219 Not anymore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 2,166 Thanks: 99 Thanked 101 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Thanks mate still got 18 months warranty left so will get done at dealer soon before self destruction happens. __________________ Car now: 56 Octavia MK2 1.9TDi Ambiente-Debadged-Metallic Flamenco Red DMF Reqiured soon Previous: 06 Octavia Mk1 1.9TDi Classic with + pack-Diamond Silver Sadly missed: 97 Nissan Primera 2.0TDi SLX- Red Paul I only live for GTA IV

23-09-2008, 20:36	#19
sebulbus Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: .ro Posts: 421 Thanks: 7 Thanked 33 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion I'd book it in before they'd have to tow me out of some busy junction. __________________ Milk Inc's newest #1 fan

24-09-2008, 13:38	#20
JKM_Performance Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 201 Thanks: 1 Thanked 33 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Single Mass Flywheel Conversion Hi Guys, Yes SACHS Clutch kit and flywheel modules for both the 1.9 and 2.0 TDI engines are now both available. These kits replace the troublesome dual mass flywheel with a high quality billet steel one and a specific heavy duty clutch with torsion damper. The retail price on both kits is £864.91 plus VAT Fitting is £250 plus VAT You also need to allow a few extra pennies approx £20 or so for new bolts etc. Not fitted one as yet, but SACHS have had great feed back from customers who had them fitted direct by of SACHS during the testing period. Kind Regards Kate __________________ The Premier VAG Servicing, Diagnostic & DYNO DYNAMICS ROLLING ROAD Tuning Centre VAG 2.0 TFSI Performance upgrade Specialists REVO \| Superchips & Bluefin software \| Emerald K3 ECU Specialists Visit the JKM website and Online Store at: www.jkm.org.uk

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