vRS tfsi power?

omega man · 16-01-2007, 12:36

Having heard a couple of times now that some tfsi vrs's are putting out more power than skoda's figures i found it interesting reading this from the review
link below.

"the vRS impressed at the track, reaching 60mph in 6.6sec and 100mph in 17.3sec (seven-tenths faster than the GTi)"

Skoda Octavia - Autocar.co.uk

apd007 · 16-01-2007, 12:47

I think they have kinda missed the point of the vRS. The reason why I have ordered on is precisely because it is understated. It can be a boring, everyday car if you want it to be, or a rapid hot hatch if your in the mood.

I don't get that impression with the ST, its full on all the time, which is great if your up for it, but there are times when you just want to get home as easily and with as little fuss as possible.

The Golf is shed loads more, the Astra is bonkers, and the Mondeo (which can be bought for about the same price) is being replaced this year and will be worth about £20 in 3 years time.

Well, thats my opinion. Please keep all flames to a low heat.

Snoopie · 16-01-2007, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by omega man

Having heard a couple of times now that some tfsi vrs's are putting out more power than skoda's figures

Hi. Just out of curiosity, where did you hear that?

MrkyMrk · 16-01-2007, 14:32

It's the "BWA" engine thing. I've read a few threads where people with BWA TFSI motors (early'06 onwards?) get higher than the rated 197/200 bhp. Usually reports are 210 to 220.
Arguments usually ensue.

On the one side are people saying no way would a manufacturer "secretly" improve an engine in such a way "What about the insurance implications?" - must be dyno operators wanting to please their clients, eh.

On the other side, reported numbers and graphs.

Oh, and with Autocar in the mix there's the shame of the tuned MK1 review that harms Skoda's integrity. "MK2 vRS 6.6 to 60? Skoda must have supplied another ringer..."

ScoobyChris · 16-01-2007, 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrkyMrk

On the one side are people saying no way would a manufacturer "secretly" improve an engine in such a way "What about the insurance implications?" - must be dyno operators wanting to please their clients, eh.

Or most likely, RR's are inherently innaccurate and a manufacturer will measure their engines at the flywheel to get an accurate figure

Chris

omega man · 16-01-2007, 15:09

The point of my post was the 0-60 time of 6.6 which was faster than the lighter gti and faster than the published skoda data. I would agree that the RR can be inacurrate but with that 0-60 time and the reports of 210-220 bhp on RR's it caught my attention.

MrkyMrk · 16-01-2007, 18:07

Quote:

Or most likely, RR's are inherently innaccurate

Good that they're always optimistically inaccurate, tho, eh?

Jonno VRs · 16-01-2007, 21:03

I'm aware a number of people have had their GTi or VRs on the rollers and 218bhp seems to be the figure that keeps getting reported.

Seemingly VAG made some minor upgrades to the 2.0T engines around Sept 05 - the BWA engine code signifies this.

The following thread also had this debate:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/new-o...t-225-a/65301/

There was also an article in last weeks AutoExpress where they were testing the benefits of aftermarket air filters and induction filters. They tested them on, amongst other cars, a Golf GTi. They measured the standard power output at 218bhp.

If it is indeed optimistic dyno's then they sure as hell are consistently optimistic...

Snoopie · 16-01-2007, 21:14

Must be. It's also very rare you'd see 218bhp on lots of different rollers

Most of them seem to change..

**VRStu** · 16-01-2007, 21:18

I can tell you I have seen a fair few Octy II RR sessions recently and most seem to give stock power. One did produce slightly higher figures but this was attributed to a rather brisk running in period.

steve06vrs · 16-01-2007, 21:41

Hi
A friend has just had his Octy Vrs2 upgraded - standard power was 195 bhp on the RR.
After upgrade it was 248 hp.
Most noticable was the after torque figure 420nm!!!
The car is considerably faster than my standard VRS2 !
Cheers!
Steve

GreekDemon · 17-01-2007, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

I can tell you I have seen a fair few Octy II RR sessions recently and most seem to give stock power. One did produce slightly higher figures but this was attributed to a rather brisk running in period.

How brisky would that be?

**VRStu** · 17-01-2007, 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekDemon

How briskly would that be?

The car in question was a Dealer Demonstrator so I would imagine had been used to it's potential from day 1.

WW_VRS · 17-01-2007, 08:27

aka 'Trashed HARD'

GreekDemon · 17-01-2007, 09:40

In case you haven't heard about it:

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

apd007 · 17-01-2007, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekDemon

In case you haven't heard about it:

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

Has anyone tried it?

ScoobyChris · 17-01-2007, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by apd007

Has anyone tried it?

I suspect most hire/company cars will have had this done to them

Chris

Fluffmeister · 17-01-2007, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by apd007

Has anyone tried it?

All my bikes, the scoob and subsequent vehicles have used this method

apd007 · 17-01-2007, 16:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffmeister

All my bikes, the scoob and subsequent vehicles have used this method

Hmmm, I might try it when I get my car then.

Spence2 · 17-01-2007, 16:20

I was brought up to use the engine when running in but with care. Prolonged full throttle no but let the engine run freely not using imposed rev limits that can mean the engine is laboured because drivers slavishly try and stay below those limits. Car empathy is the most appropriate term, you sense the load and effort being placed on the vehicle and use the engine and gearbox to provide the 'kindest' combination to deal with that load.

Using the the rev range is a yes, again with empathy. I wouldn't even consider thrashing an engine (running in or not), that suggests a couldn't care less attitude that lease and hire cars may be subject to, this is a far more rational process.

**GAFF** · 18-01-2007, 04:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonno VRs

Seemingly VAG made some minor upgrades to the 2.0T engines around Sept 05 - the BWA engine code signifies this.

I assume that means that ALL Octy vRS II have the BWA engine ?

GreekDemon · 18-01-2007, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAFF

I assume that means that ALL Octy vRS II have the BWA engine ?

No need to assume m8, that's a fact

.

16-01-2007, 12:36	#1
omega man Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dublin Eire Posts: 25 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	vRS tfsi power? Having heard a couple of times now that some tfsi vrs's are putting out more power than skoda's figures i found it interesting reading this from the review link below. "the vRS impressed at the track, reaching 60mph in 6.6sec and 100mph in 17.3sec (seven-tenths faster than the GTi)" Skoda Octavia - Autocar.co.uk

16-01-2007, 12:47	#2
apd007 Oops! :( Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The 2nd biggest city in the whole of England. Posts: 3,116 Members Car: Octy II vRS Thanks: 55 Thanked 67 Times in 56 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? I think they have kinda missed the point of the vRS. The reason why I have ordered on is precisely because it is understated. It can be a boring, everyday car if you want it to be, or a rapid hot hatch if your in the mood. I don't get that impression with the ST, its full on all the time, which is great if your up for it, but there are times when you just want to get home as easily and with as little fuss as possible. The Golf is shed loads more, the Astra is bonkers, and the Mondeo (which can be bought for about the same price) is being replaced this year and will be worth about £20 in 3 years time. Well, thats my opinion. Please keep all flames to a low heat. __________________ Support Briskoda join Freedom ======> Was :- Skoda 120LSE Yellow 1.2 ~ 60 BHP? Then :- Mk I Skoda Octavia Blueline 1.9 TDi 90 BHP. Now :- Mk II Skoda Octavia vRS Black 2.0 TFSI. 200 BHP.

16-01-2007, 14:32	#4
MrkyMrk Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 912 Members Car: 06 Octavia vRS Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? It's the "BWA" engine thing. I've read a few threads where people with BWA TFSI motors (early'06 onwards?) get higher than the rated 197/200 bhp. Usually reports are 210 to 220. Arguments usually ensue. On the one side are people saying no way would a manufacturer "secretly" improve an engine in such a way "What about the insurance implications?" - must be dyno operators wanting to please their clients, eh. On the other side, reported numbers and graphs. Oh, and with Autocar in the mix there's the shame of the tuned MK1 review that harms Skoda's integrity. "MK2 vRS 6.6 to 60? Skoda must have supplied another ringer..." __________________ *Mark*

16-01-2007, 15:09	#6
omega man Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dublin Eire Posts: 25 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? The point of my post was the 0-60 time of 6.6 which was faster than the lighter gti and faster than the published skoda data. I would agree that the RR can be inacurrate but with that 0-60 time and the reports of 210-220 bhp on RR's it caught my attention.

16-01-2007, 21:03	#8
Jonno VRs Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 1,241 Members Car: Octy II VRs 200 Thanks: 10 Thanked 48 Times in 47 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? I'm aware a number of people have had their GTi or VRs on the rollers and 218bhp seems to be the figure that keeps getting reported. Seemingly VAG made some minor upgrades to the 2.0T engines around Sept 05 - the BWA engine code signifies this. The following thread also had this debate: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/new-o...t-225-a/65301/ There was also an article in last weeks AutoExpress where they were testing the benefits of aftermarket air filters and induction filters. They tested them on, amongst other cars, a Golf GTi. They measured the standard power output at 218bhp. If it is indeed optimistic dyno's then they sure as hell are consistently optimistic... __________________ 06 Skoda Octavia VRs 200 bhp (Black) Coming soon: 58 Skoda Octavia VRs CR TDi (Candy White) Previous Cars: 04 Audi TT 3.2 V6 250 bhp (Black) 02 VW Golf V5 170 bhp (Black)

16-01-2007, 21:14	#9
Snoopie Permanently banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Buckingham Palace Car Park Posts: 4,458 Members Car: Honda Civic Type-R Thanks: 86 Thanked 85 Times in 52 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? Must be. It's also very rare you'd see 218bhp on lots of different rollers Most of them seem to change..

16-01-2007, 21:18	#10
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,848 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 1,000 Times in 896 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? I can tell you I have seen a fair few Octy II RR sessions recently and most seem to give stock power. One did produce slightly higher figures but this was attributed to a rather brisk running in period. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

16-01-2007, 21:41	#11
steve06vrs Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 34 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: vRS tfsi power? Hi A friend has just had his Octy Vrs2 upgraded - standard power was 195 bhp on the RR. After upgrade it was 248 hp. Most noticable was the after torque figure 420nm!!! The car is considerably faster than my standard VRS2 ! Cheers! Steve

17-01-2007, 08:27	#14
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,870 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? aka 'Trashed HARD' __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

17-01-2007, 09:40	#15
GreekDemon Briskodian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Patras Posts: 46 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: vRS tfsi power? In case you haven't heard about it: Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

17-01-2007, 16:20	#20
Spence2 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 78 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: vRS tfsi power? I was brought up to use the engine when running in but with care. Prolonged full throttle no but let the engine run freely not using imposed rev limits that can mean the engine is laboured because drivers slavishly try and stay below those limits. Car empathy is the most appropriate term, you sense the load and effort being placed on the vehicle and use the engine and gearbox to provide the 'kindest' combination to deal with that load. Using the the rev range is a yes, again with empathy. I wouldn't even consider thrashing an engine (running in or not), that suggests a couldn't care less attitude that lease and hire cars may be subject to, this is a far more rational process.

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