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Old 29-11-2007, 10:02   #76
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ah but, I didn't suggest it HAD stopped measuring time! I was only implying the movement would APPEAR to stop. Same could be said for a waterfall. To your eyes it would have frozen because the same bit of light that has reflected off it will be hitting you eyes. The water is still falling, you just can't see it as the information isn't hitting your eyes. If a blind man is stood next to a waterfall and can't see it, doesn't mean it's not flowing. I think you missed my point.
AIUI, because your moving at lightspeed, you are effectively light aa far as the clock and waterfall are concerned, and vice versa, so you'd not actually percieve either of them at all. That said you're correct; if you could percieve them they'd appear as still images because you'd be moving at the same speed as the photons from a given instant.
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The speed of light is no longer considered absolute. Einsteins theory is more aimed at proving that the speed of light tops out at 186,282 mps. However he did not anticipate that it could be slowed down. There has been lots of work done over the last few years in slowing down light by passing it through extremely cold sodium atoms to the point where it is almost stationary.

I'm sure there'll be a man in a wheelchair along shorty to shoot me down in flames.

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If you mean the same man in a wheelchair that I think you do, you know that he thinks there's a hole in Special Relativity big enough to fly a "warp-drive" starship through?
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Bl00dy computer !!! ARGGH
I am about to test a few of Newtons laws

Newton's First Law (also known as the Law of Inertia) states that an object at rest tends to stay at rest and that an object in uniform motion tends to stay in uniform motion unless acted upon by a net external force.

Where the object = my PC
and net external force = me picking it up


Newton's Second Law states that an applied force, F, on an object equals the time rate of change of its momentum, p. Mathematically, this is written as Assuming the mass to be constant, the first term vanishes. Defining the acceleration to be results in the famous equation which states that the acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force acting on the object and inversely proportional to its mass. In the MKS system of measurement, mass is given in kilograms, acceleration in metres per second squared, and force in newtons (named in his honour).


Where F = me, Mass = PC and acceleration a is anular change in velocity derived from the length of my arms x my current state of anger

Newton's Third Law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Centrifugal force = centripetal force until target = window and Grip = zero then F=ma

at which point window = zero and PC = nice new shiney one
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I meant the bit about two beams of light going towards each other? I wasn't talking about that.

I know it's impossible to reach the speed of light, I'm pretty sure we are talking theoretically here?
I think I see what you mean. It's impossible to exceed c in normal spacetime, in a single IFR. The trick with the 2 light beams is to realise that if you define one of them as the origin of your IFR, then it becomes stationary, and the other moves towards it at 2c, but it's no longer in normal spacetime, because you're using a non-standard IFR.
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Hmmm... I like to think that I do live in a linear space/time continuum but how can I be sure? Isn't "time" in "space/time continuum" a concept derived from the conventional "time" that we have decided to measure? Or is there another kind of "time" out there?
The only example I can think of off the top of my head where "time" couldn't be argued away as a convenient means of ordering the passage of history is radioactive decay, where the half-life of any given isotope is constant. I don't know whether this would apply at extremely low temperatures, though, but certainly within the 'natural' environment, λ is constant and so the nature of the material decaying can inarguably be shown to change at a constant rate with respect to "time"...

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I'm sure there'll be a man in a wheelchair along shorty to shoot me down in flames.
I've still got the use of my legs, but...

'c' is only valid for a vacuum (which, conveniently, can never truly be acheived) - indeed light can be slowed down or sped up by passing it through materials of different refractive index. If this phenomenon didn't exist, then speccy four-eyed ****s like myself would still be fumbling around, squinting!
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Hmmm... I like to think that I do live in a linear space/time continuum but how can I be sure? Isn't "time" in "space/time continuum" a concept derived from the conventional "time" that we have decided to measure? Or is there another kind of "time" out there?
You're confusing spacetime with duration. What we measure and call "time" is actually duration. It's every bit as much a set of conventions as measuring distances, temperature, power etc is.
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.....eventually one will write the code for microsoft windows XP
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The only example I can think of off the top of my head where "time" couldn't be argued away as a convenient means of ordering the passage of history is radioactive decay, where the half-life of any given isotope is constant. I don't know whether this would apply at extremely low temperatures, though, but certainly within the 'natural' environment, λ is constant and so the nature of the material decaying can inarguably be shown to change at a constant rate with respect to "time"...
I guess that one also could rely on the second law of thermodynamics where the process of ever-increasing entropy add to the plausibility of a linear space/time continuum (only that it's not 100 % continuous since with maximum entropy "time" in this sense will cease to exist)
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I guess that one also could rely on the second law of thermodynamics where the process of ever-increasing entropy add to the plausibility of a linear space/time continuum (only that it's not 100 % continuous since with maximum entropy "time" in this sense will cease to exist)
...only in a non-infinite universe! As long as it's infinite, maximum entropy could never be achieved...
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AIUI, because your moving at lightspeed, you are effectively light aa far as the clock and waterfall are concerned, and vice versa, so you'd not actually percieve either of them at all. That said you're correct; if you could percieve them they'd appear as still images because you'd be moving at the same speed as the photons from a given instant.

What on earth do all your abbreviations mean?? AIUI, IFR, c?


I was only talking hypothetically anyway
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AIUI - As I Understand It
IFR - I specified this one when I first used it, but just for you - Inertial Frame of Reference.

As an aside, your understanding of relativity etc isn't at all bad. Are you another one who really has read "A Brief History of Time"?

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I meant the bit about two beams of light going towards each other? I wasn't talking about that.
So did i. Two beams of light travelling towards each other will be travelling at twice the speed of light relative to each other!

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Yep, that's what I was saying.

It's all relative really though.
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