What do you think about Striking?

Lady Elanore · 06-10-2008, 14:14

I think it’s important to note that striking isn’t always about money. Younger people might not have experienced striking themselves and the media seems always to focus on the money aspect. Working conditions are equally important.

Big thanks to ken for insinuating I am noticeably younger than him

ag.morley · 06-10-2008, 14:50

overtime bans, work to rule sometimes are as affective if not more affective than striking. You have to give the company so many days notice of strike action so other arrangements can be made but some companies reley on overtime being worked. sticking to the " rule book " is also effective

gadgetman · 06-10-2008, 22:14

The unions are dying on their a55's and fooling their members.

So they may get an increase, but as things spiral downwards, the next strike will be because their firms are laying people off/cutting hours etc etc.

Sometimes they really need to shut up and take it. If they were in private firms, then they'd be told to like it or leave. Because they can bring us to our knees somehow makes them think they are invincible. They arent.

skodagirl1985 · 06-10-2008, 22:31

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Originally Posted by Lady Elanore

It’s quite amazing how the general mood of the country has changed about striking. I am convinced that the younger generation have become so used to having it all they can’t accept any form of hardship (this isn’t directed at you Hannah). I too hate the effects of a major companys going on strike, but it is sometimes essential.

Thanks Maggie

But is there not an alternative to striking? A way of resolving the issues without affecting the day to day goings on of others.

I've managed to find myself an alternative to get to work. Will cost me extra ontop of my train season ticket but I think Scotrail are going give season ticket holder some money back. Taking the bus. Could take a while and will be a very early start to make sure I'm at work on time. Don't want to be late as only been in this job for 2 weeks and want stay on the right side of management and show willingness and reliablity.

Skodaboy1983 · 06-10-2008, 22:38

In a word NO!

daiking · 06-10-2008, 22:39

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Originally Posted by skodagirl1985

But is there not an alternative to striking? A way of resolving the issues without affecting the day to day goings on of others.

They must have tried other means and its not got them anywhere. Causing disruption is all they have left otherwise the train operator will take the **** and ignore them.

Best of luck to them, they'll either get what they want or they'll lose their jobs, that's the risk they take.

skodagirl1985 · 06-10-2008, 22:42

I really hope they get what they are looking for. And there employers listen to them soon.

Skodaboy1983 · 06-10-2008, 22:54

I always think the media blows things out of propotion and tends to makle matters worse in issues like this.

take for example the petrol strikes, it forced people to panic buy and worry like nothing else and I had to agree with the workers that they were not getting pay for something like when the fuel companies were making big profiets, I'm too young to remember the Miners Strikes but in my short life on earth have seen the fire brigade strike and the return of the green goddess from the army, fuel strikes, bus strikes and now a train strike and teacher strikes.

Davy

gadgetman · 06-10-2008, 23:00

All because the skiving ways are underthreat.

Look into the strikes you've mentioned, and you'll find that it's because the perks are being pulled so they have to actually earn their wages in full.

cheezemonkhai · 07-10-2008, 00:03

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

All because the skiving ways are underthreat.

Look into the strikes you've mentioned, and you'll find that it's because the perks are being pulled so they have to actually earn their wages in full.

And he didn't even mention the postal strikes

Only joking Andrew

smstext · 07-10-2008, 00:58

we have discussed striking at work due to the way we are treated. the union refuses to support us on wildcat strikes (unoffical strikes) and wont back us to strike till every avenue has been explored. Also to strike the union needs to inform the company a month in advance of the strike (so they can get temps in). you also dont get paid to strike so those thinking they always striking might want to look at what sacrifices they actual take. i cant afford to strike, but if it means the overall conditions are work are improved then i would do it.

Also for what its worth our union rep has told us that our lovely prime minister has had a meeting with union reps recently and asked them not to support high payrises this year and basically to discourage payrises or payrises above 2% to try and bring inflation down, my arguement is we need more to support what many are finding difficult times.

Lady Elanore · 07-10-2008, 04:00

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Originally Posted by skodagirl1985

But is there not an alternative to striking? A way of resolving the issues without affecting the day to day goings on of others.

I've managed to find myself an alternative to get to work. Will cost me extra ontop of my train season ticket but I think Scotrail are going give season ticket holder some money back. Taking the bus. Could take a while and will be a very early start to make sure I'm at work on time. Don't want to be late as only been in this job for 2 weeks and want stay on the right side of management and show willingness and reliablity.

As I said earlier, the union should try other means first ie arbitration, but sometimes a strike is needed. I have never known anyone who was on strike with me enjoying the idea of coming out on to the picket line. I hated it, but when I joined up to the Union I realised that I should follow their supposed greater wisdom. We rarely got a positive outcome, but our voice was heard and some unpleasant conditions that had been tabled didn’t see the light of day because of our Industrial action showing that we were serious.

Don't get me worng, Striking is the last course of action in my opinion.

KenONeill · 07-10-2008, 08:23

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Originally Posted by Lady Elanore

As I said earlier, the union should try other means first ie arbitration, but sometimes a strike is needed. I have never known anyone who was on strike with me enjoying the idea of coming out on to the picket line. I hated it, but when I joined up to the Union I realised that I should follow their supposed greater wisdom. We rarely got a positive outcome, but our voice was heard and some unpleasant conditions that had been tabled didn’t see the light of day because of our Industrial action showing that we were serious.

Don't get me worng, Striking is the last course of action in my opinion.

Exactly and likewise.

daiking · 07-10-2008, 08:39

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

All because the skiving ways are underthreat.

Look into the strikes you've mentioned, and you'll find that it's because the perks are being pulled so they have to actually earn their wages in full.

And? Your point is?

Why shouldn't they look after their own interests when they see everyone else at it?

Thousands of workers at my company are currently taking industrial action short of a strike (I'm not as I'm a different grade and we accepted a below inflation pay rise). They believe they have the strength to force a better deal but the management are making a political decision not to offer any more. The public wouldn't notice if they go on strike but I think you'd all prefer it if they didn't

What really pisses me off is this stuff about how bigger pay rises causes inflation (apparently part of the reason we got less than RPI) when really the increase in prices we are seeing is due to 10 years of lax economic policy by you know who. Even our unioin were complicit in the charade.

**roo** · 09-10-2008, 18:05

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Originally Posted by smstext

we have discussed striking at work due to the way we are treated. the union refuses to support us on wildcat strikes (unoffical strikes) and wont back us to strike till every avenue has been explored. Also to strike the union needs to inform the company a month in advance of the strike (so they can get temps in). you also dont get paid to strike so those thinking they always striking might want to look at what sacrifices they actual take. i cant afford to strike, but if it means the overall conditions are work are improved then i would do it.

No union will ever officially support a wildcat strike as those are still illegal and all striking is used as a last resort and no one can afford to lose a days pay, thats why it is always as a last resort, normally it ends up as an overtime ban and/or work to rule instead.

There are several reasons why people will strike, I am a member of the RMT and have been on strike a few times. Most of the reasons I see strike action are for safety reasons which are being ignored by management (both personal and public safety) rather than money and personal gain as no one I know think it is worth losing a days pay over.

postmanpat · 09-10-2008, 18:13

everybody out, need a good lie in

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gadgetman Go Gadget Octy! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,414 Members Car: Thanks: 220 Thanked 120 Times in 113 Posts	Re: What do you think about Striking? The unions are dying on their a55's and fooling their members. So they may get an increase, but as things spiral downwards, the next strike will be because their firms are laying people off/cutting hours etc etc. Sometimes they really need to shut up and take it. If they were in private firms, then they'd be told to like it or leave. Because they can bring us to our knees somehow makes them think they are invincible. They arent. __________________ Lick the window of life Why not join the Briskoda Last.fm group?

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skodagirl1985 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: East Lothian Posts: 1,625 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Vrs 130 Thanks: 46 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts	Re: What do you think about Striking? I really hope they get what they are looking for. And there employers listen to them soon.

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Skodaboy1983 Skoda Junkie! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Lothian Posts: 9,818 Members Car: Skoda Fabia VRS 130 Thanks: 387 Thanked 274 Times in 266 Posts	Re: What do you think about Striking? I always think the media blows things out of propotion and tends to makle matters worse in issues like this. take for example the petrol strikes, it forced people to panic buy and worry like nothing else and I had to agree with the workers that they were not getting pay for something like when the fuel companies were making big profiets, I'm too young to remember the Miners Strikes but in my short life on earth have seen the fire brigade strike and the return of the green goddess from the army, fuel strikes, bus strikes and now a train strike and teacher strikes. Davy __________________ 05 Lemon Yellow Fabia vRS, PD160, Green cotton filter, Stripes and B pilar Graphics, Cupra Splitter, Aero Wipers, Rear Number plate surround, silvertec indicators, and led side lights, Forge Strut Brace, Black vRS Alloys, Whiteline ARB!! Soon to come: A wee nip and tuck, fresh look

06-10-2008, 23:00	#34
gadgetman Go Gadget Octy! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,414 Members Car: Thanks: 220 Thanked 120 Times in 113 Posts	Re: What do you think about Striking? All because the skiving ways are underthreat. Look into the strikes you've mentioned, and you'll find that it's because the perks are being pulled so they have to actually earn their wages in full. __________________ Lick the window of life Why not join the Briskoda Last.fm group?

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smstext 2.0 FSI Sport. Join Date: May 2007 Location: oxon Posts: 9,717 Members Car: Octavia Mk2 FSI Sport Thanks: 11 Thanked 307 Times in 274 Posts	Re: What do you think about Striking? we have discussed striking at work due to the way we are treated. the union refuses to support us on wildcat strikes (unoffical strikes) and wont back us to strike till every avenue has been explored. Also to strike the union needs to inform the company a month in advance of the strike (so they can get temps in). you also dont get paid to strike so those thinking they always striking might want to look at what sacrifices they actual take. i cant afford to strike, but if it means the overall conditions are work are improved then i would do it. Also for what its worth our union rep has told us that our lovely prime minister has had a meeting with union reps recently and asked them not to support high payrises this year and basically to discourage payrises or payrises above 2% to try and bring inflation down, my arguement is we need more to support what many are finding difficult times. __________________ Oxon Meet Feeler 2009 please add your input, click here

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