Project Q-Felicia

pinkskud · 27-03-2007, 18:31

me = dum

TeflonTom · 27-03-2007, 18:46

yes 1.6-8v aee engine.....still got a long way to go yet tho

pinkskud · 28-03-2007, 17:13

you guna get that piper cam for it???
just to dubble check, the piper VPHBP270H well fit my aee?
guna try and order it again 2moro.

TeflonTom · 28-03-2007, 22:52

nope, not going for that cam i'm afraid.... but i know for sure that one will fit

pinkskud · 29-03-2007, 18:14

whitch one you going for????

TeflonTom · 29-03-2007, 18:44

not sure as yet, but the 'off the shelf' offerings from the likes of piper may not be suitable for what i'm doing.... i may end up getting a custom grind done instead.....

more updates on the project tomorrow

WoodieGuthrie · 29-03-2007, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

not sure as yet, but the 'off the shelf' offerings from the likes of piper may not be suitable for what i'm doing.... i may end up getting a custom grind done instead.....

more updates on the project tomorrow

might be a very wise choice sir as the engine characteristics are going to be governed to a large extent by the TB's

may need to use the cam to make the engine more responsive low down, or, more likely on 8v rightness you'll need it to open up the breathing somewhat at the top end?

Tom_vRS · 29-03-2007, 22:45

Interesting project. The AEE is allegedly quite a tunable lump - would be interesting to see if you manage to maintain the torque levels whilst increasing the bhp from the measly 75 it offers as standard!

TeflonTom · 29-03-2007, 22:49

i've allways liked the aee lump personally.... i've tuned one up before too. i do have a few tricks up my sleeve this time, plus quite a lot of experience from the last time i 'kitted' one up....

like you say, trying to keep low down torque whilst maintaining a high peak output is a difficult challenge

TeflonTom · 30-03-2007, 11:26

the ups man cometh!!!

today the fuel injectors have arrived,

i can start assembling this stuff now

pinkskud · 30-03-2007, 13:06

nice set of squirters!!!!

TeflonTom · 30-03-2007, 14:02

they have a static flow rating of 250cc per miniute when used at 43.5psi (3 bars) pressure.... but i need to run them at 2.5 bars because the felicia in-tank fuel pump wont be able to cope with that fuel pressure.....

i had to estimate the BSFC figure, but .50 sounds roughly right....

in which case these are good for approx 140bhp when used at 70% duty cycle

WoodieGuthrie · 30-03-2007, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

they have a static flow rating of 250cc per miniute when used at 43.5psi (3 bars) pressure.... but i need to run them at 2.5 bars because the felicia in-tank fuel pump wont be able to cope with that fuel pressure.....

i had to estimate the BSFC figure, but .50 sounds roughly right....

in which case these are good for approx 140bhp when used at 70% duty cycle

I know that any bmw e30 in tank pump is rated to 3.0 bar...... worth digging one out and seeing.

high flow rate on those injectors-plenty of scope for getting more out without hitting 100% cycle

as for torque, like I said, trumpet lengths can tue that to an extent, also get a dual rated cam?? TSR used to do them

TeflonTom · 30-03-2007, 18:20

i've ordered some throttle bodies which are 80mm long.... so for the time being i'm going to go for 100mm trumpets...... i may go longer than that after i've had a go on the dyno....

and i'm deffinately going to use a felicia fuel pump because at least i know it fits!! and 2.5 bar regulators are easy enough to come by anyway

TeflonTom · 30-03-2007, 18:23

what do you mean by dual rated cam??? do you mean split timing?? or asymetric timing?? it's not a term i'm familiar with

WoodieGuthrie · 30-03-2007, 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

what do you mean by dual rated cam??? do you mean split timing?? or asymetric timing?? it's not a term i'm familiar with

yeah I mean that the cam has a lower durtion during low end of rev range, then moves to higher duration at higher rpm...

hard to describe.

re fuel pump, suppose if it aint broken, dont fix it

TeflonTom · 31-03-2007, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodieGuthrie

yeah I mean that the cam has a lower durtion during low end of rev range, then moves to higher duration at higher rpm...

surely you can't possibly do that with a cam?? the lobes will be ground to a set duration and this wont change regardless of how fast it's going??

TeflonTom · 31-03-2007, 18:50

here's my latest ebay purchase.....

aalco wanted £85 for some 3/4 aluminium bar, because they only sell it in a miniumum of 4 metre lengths. but i managed to buy this offcut for £3.45 from a fabrication firm selling off the stuff on ebay... happy days

"what's it for??"...... i need to manufacture some spacers for the fuel rail mountings...

Lummox · 31-03-2007, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by WoodieGuthrie

yeah I mean that the cam has a lower durtion during low end of rev range, then moves to higher duration at higher rpm...

hard to describe.

re fuel pump, suppose if it aint broken, dont fix it

It aint a VTEC or VVT engine..lol

WoodieGuthrie · 01-04-2007, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

It aint a VTEC or VVT engine..lol

gathered that

however I do remeber TSR offering 2 profiles on a cam..

could just be my old age-recently turned 26 you see

TeflonTom · 01-04-2007, 10:39

some of the supercharged versions (g40, g60 etc) have assymetric timing, whereas the inlet has a longer duration the an the exhaust, in fact in some engines this is benificial and is a good way to reclaim some bottom end torque

Lummox · 01-04-2007, 10:57

Excellent stuff, didnt know that.

WoodieGuthrie · 01-04-2007, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

some of the supercharged versions (g40, g60 etc) have split timing, whereas the inlet has a longer duration the an the exhaust, in fact in some engines this is benificial and is a good way to reclaim some bottom end torque

So i'm no losing my marbles then

Lummox · 01-04-2007, 17:07

It would appear not, I was thinking more along with lines of varying inlet/exhaust timing rather than one or the other.

WoodieGuthrie · 01-04-2007, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

It would appear not, I was thinking more along with lines of varying inlet/exhaust timing rather than one or the other.

going by the wealth of information you provide on this site, I questioned myself rather than you mate

27-03-2007, 18:31	#26
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,158 Members Car: 1.6l felicia 1998 Thanks: 1 Thanked 78 Times in 74 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! me = dum

27-03-2007, 18:46	#27
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! yes 1.6-8v aee engine.....still got a long way to go yet tho

28-03-2007, 17:13	#28
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,158 Members Car: 1.6l felicia 1998 Thanks: 1 Thanked 78 Times in 74 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! you guna get that piper cam for it??? just to dubble check, the piper VPHBP270H well fit my aee? guna try and order it again 2moro.

28-03-2007, 22:52	#29
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! nope, not going for that cam i'm afraid.... but i know for sure that one will fit

29-03-2007, 18:14	#30
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,158 Members Car: 1.6l felicia 1998 Thanks: 1 Thanked 78 Times in 74 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! whitch one you going for????

29-03-2007, 18:44	#31
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! not sure as yet, but the 'off the shelf' offerings from the likes of piper may not be suitable for what i'm doing.... i may end up getting a custom grind done instead..... more updates on the project tomorrow

29-03-2007, 22:45	#33
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,559 Members Car: '97R BMW 328i Saloon Thanks: 679 Thanked 436 Times in 313 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! Interesting project. The AEE is allegedly quite a tunable lump - would be interesting to see if you manage to maintain the torque levels whilst increasing the bhp from the measly 75 it offers as standard! __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green.

29-03-2007, 22:49	#34
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! i've allways liked the aee lump personally.... i've tuned one up before too. i do have a few tricks up my sleeve this time, plus quite a lot of experience from the last time i 'kitted' one up.... like you say, trying to keep low down torque whilst maintaining a high peak output is a difficult challenge Last edited by TeflonTom; 19-06-2007 at 02:34.

30-03-2007, 11:26	#35
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! the ups man cometh!!! today the fuel injectors have arrived, i can start assembling this stuff now

30-03-2007, 13:06	#36
pinkskud not a bird!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: pixi said not to fill my box Posts: 2,158 Members Car: 1.6l felicia 1998 Thanks: 1 Thanked 78 Times in 74 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! nice set of squirters!!!!

30-03-2007, 14:02	#37
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! they have a static flow rating of 250cc per miniute when used at 43.5psi (3 bars) pressure.... but i need to run them at 2.5 bars because the felicia in-tank fuel pump wont be able to cope with that fuel pressure..... i had to estimate the BSFC figure, but .50 sounds roughly right.... in which case these are good for approx 140bhp when used at 70% duty cycle

30-03-2007, 18:20	#39
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! i've ordered some throttle bodies which are 80mm long.... so for the time being i'm going to go for 100mm trumpets...... i may go longer than that after i've had a go on the dyno.... and i'm deffinately going to use a felicia fuel pump because at least i know it fits!! and 2.5 bar regulators are easy enough to come by anyway Last edited by TeflonTom; 30-03-2007 at 18:21.

30-03-2007, 18:23	#40
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! what do you mean by dual rated cam??? do you mean split timing?? or asymetric timing?? it's not a term i'm familiar with

31-03-2007, 18:50	#43
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! here's my latest ebay purchase..... aalco wanted £85 for some 3/4 aluminium bar, because they only sell it in a miniumum of 4 metre lengths. but i managed to buy this offcut for £3.45 from a fabrication firm selling off the stuff on ebay... happy days "what's it for??"...... i need to manufacture some spacers for the fuel rail mountings...

01-04-2007, 10:39	#46
TeflonTom Briskodiodion Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hayling Island, Hampshire Posts: 8,240 Members Car: Fabia 2.0/Felicia Thanks: 48 Thanked 233 Times in 205 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! some of the supercharged versions (g40, g60 etc) have assymetric timing, whereas the inlet has a longer duration the an the exhaust, in fact in some engines this is benificial and is a good way to reclaim some bottom end torque Last edited by TeflonTom; 11-06-2007 at 14:31.

01-04-2007, 10:57	#47
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01-04-2007, 17:07	#49
Lummox Cupra Bush King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 22,497 Members Car: Mk2 Golf GTi 16v and building a 20VT MK2. Images: 2 Thanks: 22 Thanked 760 Times in 638 Posts	Re: OMG! It Begins! It would appear not, I was thinking more along with lines of varying inlet/exhaust timing rather than one or the other. __________________ www.unit18.co.uk Remapping Service now available, PM for details.

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