Hi Volume Fuel Pump & Stage II+ - 2.0TFSI

Makefish · 15-11-2007, 17:20

I know you guys are aware of the release of new components that replace the internals of the fuel pump which eliminates the infamous fuel cut issues on the 2.0TFSI.

I understand you are working on mapping for the Audi S3, Leon Cupra R and Golf GTi Edition 30 but what's happening with everyone else who are running from the base 200bhp platform, when is that likely to happen?

We (as in all four marques Audi, VW, Skoda & SEAT) are all anxious for the development of this product and was hoping you could give us some indications on time scales.

PS. What are the issues (if any) going ahead with this modification to the fuel pump without changing the map, in my case REVO StageII?.

**VRStu** · 15-11-2007, 19:19

I did tell Kev that I'd drop him a line this week but so far haven't managed to. If I get some news I'll let you know.

I would imagine there wouldn't be any issues with adding the pump to a car with your kind of mods Steve, the pump in question is a higher volume pump and will therefore flow more fuel but the engine will only use what it requires and the rest will be returned via leak off. What you might find though is that if you were suffering fuel cut the increased flow may smooth that out.

Makefish · 15-11-2007, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

I would imagine there wouldn't be any issues with adding the pump to a car with your kind of mods Steve, the pump in question is a higher volume pump and will therefore flow more fuel but the engine will only use what it requires and the rest will be returned via leak off. What you might find though is that if you were suffering fuel cut the increased flow may smooth that out.

Does this new pump mean that overall fuel economy is going to be affected to it's detriment?

**VRStu** · 15-11-2007, 19:48

You won't be forcing more fuel into the cylinders as the amount is carefully controlled by the injectors, with your current map it shouldn't make a difference. However a new map would be able to make use of the increased flow and thus more could be used and in theory consumption would increase.

vRSLen · 15-11-2007, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

You won't be forcing more fuel into the cylinders as the amount is carefully controlled by the injectors, with your current map it shouldn't make a difference. However a new map would be able to make use of the increased flow and thus more could be used and in theory consumption would increase.

But only when you want it to Steve

***Neo_VR*** · 15-11-2007, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makefish

Does this new pump mean that overall fuel economy is going to be affected to it's detriment?

Dont think there is requirement for a modified map for a new fuel pump, the fuel system is designed to remain at a constant fuel pressure throughout all of the engines running.. WOT etc. you would only need a different map if the overall fuel system pressure changed(like on the 1.8t, you could swap out the 3bar fpr to a 4bar item with a map to suit for a bit extra power) or if Revo have held back on the tuning because of this problem (doubtful considering its only an issue in certain circumstances)

**VRStu** · 16-11-2007, 08:27

Col

There isn't a requirment as such for a new map but there would be benefits. The fueling on the TFSi has been held back by many tuners because of the fuel cut problem and thus more flow available would allow them to increase injected quantity.

This is what REVO have been doing, they've been trying to get more from the cars with the pump fitted and ultimately I think it will become part of their Stage III package.

RevoKev · 16-11-2007, 10:05

There's a fair amount of adjustment in the current stage2 programs, that level of adjustment is pretty much the limit when it comes to the capacity of the turbo. However most people will have to be running low settings due to the limitations of the stock fuel pump, one of the things we'll be wanted to test is whether the current stg2 has enough headroom to make the most of the engine when combined with an uprated fuel pump. From what I've seen there's probably more than enough. On the higher spec K04 based S3, LC, Ed30 engines there will be much more gain than the K03 based ones. No harm in fitting one though and playing with the settings for the time being.

***Neo_VR*** · 16-11-2007, 14:42

Ahhh..

Thanks Stu and Kev for clearing that up

RevoKev · 11-12-2007, 12:11

Hmmm, Stage2+ could be an interesting one to look at if a current stage2 car happened to visit us with a fuel pump fitted!

**VRStu** · 11-12-2007, 14:03

I would think that there would be someone available for that Kev.

Makefish · 11-12-2007, 15:54

Something tells me I'm going to need another day off!

RevoKev · 14-12-2007, 15:17

This pump would go perfectly with a K04 upgrade kit... I wonder if anyone would be interested in such a thing!

**VRStu** · 14-12-2007, 15:19

That depends on if there were any being made available.

RevoKev · 14-12-2007, 15:20

Harry_vRS · 20-12-2007, 19:15

I'll have my Autotech pump installed (as soon as it arrives) and I'm currently on Revo Stage 2.

I would be more than happy to help sorting out a new map, if required

RevoKev · 21-12-2007, 10:35

Great stuff... once someones got a pump fitted give us a shout at the office 01327 301 901. Someone will be able to take your details and we'll sort some dates out.
I'm not going to be in until the middle of Jan, so if it's before then just mention we've all been chatting about it!

**VRStu** · 28-12-2007, 23:11

There has been a delay in getting the pumps sent over but fingers crossed they are on their way now.

CHRIS ELLIS · 28-12-2007, 23:51

Well when they arrive just need to get some nice nice bloke to fit them

.I know a chap with a heated factory to keep the fingers warm.

Hedge · 29-12-2007, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRIS ELLIS

I know a chap with a heated factory to keep the fingers warm.

Ooh. I hope I know the same chap.

Makefish · 18-01-2008, 22:58

Surely we can have a pic to satisfy our curiosity

Wardy · 18-01-2008, 23:23

Like Chinese Whispers this thread!

*wink* *wink*

Steve

Harry_vRS · 22-01-2008, 22:42

Right well I now have my pump installed on the car and WHAT A DIFFERENCE!

Can't wait for a software update

Makefish · 23-01-2008, 01:31

What kind of difference? Tell us more

**VRStu** · 23-01-2008, 08:15

I think after the ammount of time we've spent getting this sorted getting it working is the best news ever.

For anyone else thinking of doing this job it seems that it is very important to ensure that CYL 1 is at TDC before swapping the pump. THis isn't contained in the instructions supplied with the pumps.

Pretty sure Harry will produce a DIY when he gets time.

15-11-2007, 17:20	#1
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Hi Volume Fuel Pump & Stage II+ - 2.0TFSI I know you guys are aware of the release of new components that replace the internals of the fuel pump which eliminates the infamous fuel cut issues on the 2.0TFSI. I understand you are working on mapping for the Audi S3, Leon Cupra R and Golf GTi Edition 30 but what's happening with everyone else who are running from the base 200bhp platform, when is that likely to happen? We (as in all four marques Audi, VW, Skoda & SEAT) are all anxious for the development of this product and was hoping you could give us some indications on time scales. PS. What are the issues (if any) going ahead with this modification to the fuel pump without changing the map, in my case REVO StageII?. __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm Last edited by Makefish; 05-08-2008 at 06:47.

15-11-2007, 19:19	#2
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI I did tell Kev that I'd drop him a line this week but so far haven't managed to. If I get some news I'll let you know. I would imagine there wouldn't be any issues with adding the pump to a car with your kind of mods Steve, the pump in question is a higher volume pump and will therefore flow more fuel but the engine will only use what it requires and the rest will be returned via leak off. What you might find though is that if you were suffering fuel cut the increased flow may smooth that out. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

15-11-2007, 19:48	#4
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI You won't be forcing more fuel into the cylinders as the amount is carefully controlled by the injectors, with your current map it shouldn't make a difference. However a new map would be able to make use of the increased flow and thus more could be used and in theory consumption would increase. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

16-11-2007, 08:27	#7
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Col There isn't a requirment as such for a new map but there would be benefits. The fueling on the TFSi has been held back by many tuners because of the fuel cut problem and thus more flow available would allow them to increase injected quantity. This is what REVO have been doing, they've been trying to get more from the cars with the pump fitted and ultimately I think it will become part of their Stage III package. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

16-11-2007, 10:05	#8
RevoKev Site Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 214 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI There's a fair amount of adjustment in the current stage2 programs, that level of adjustment is pretty much the limit when it comes to the capacity of the turbo. However most people will have to be running low settings due to the limitations of the stock fuel pump, one of the things we'll be wanted to test is whether the current stg2 has enough headroom to make the most of the engine when combined with an uprated fuel pump. From what I've seen there's probably more than enough. On the higher spec K04 based S3, LC, Ed30 engines there will be much more gain than the K03 based ones. No harm in fitting one though and playing with the settings for the time being.

16-11-2007, 14:42	#9
*Neo_VR* Om nom nom nom Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,484 Members Car: A White Car Thanks: 79 Thanked 176 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Ahhh.. Thanks Stu and Kev for clearing that up __________________ ColGod the UberMod ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"- ORLY??

11-12-2007, 12:11	#10
RevoKev Site Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 214 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Hmmm, Stage2+ could be an interesting one to look at if a current stage2 car happened to visit us with a fuel pump fitted!

11-12-2007, 14:03	#11
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI I would think that there would be someone available for that Kev. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

11-12-2007, 15:54	#12
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Something tells me I'm going to need another day off! __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm

14-12-2007, 15:17	#13
RevoKev Site Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 214 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI This pump would go perfectly with a K04 upgrade kit... I wonder if anyone would be interested in such a thing!

14-12-2007, 15:19	#14
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI That depends on if there were any being made available. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

14-12-2007, 15:20	#15
RevoKev Site Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 214 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI

20-12-2007, 19:15	#16
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,052 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI I'll have my Autotech pump installed (as soon as it arrives) and I'm currently on Revo Stage 2. I would be more than happy to help sorting out a new map, if required __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

21-12-2007, 10:35	#17
RevoKev Site Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 214 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Great stuff... once someones got a pump fitted give us a shout at the office 01327 301 901. Someone will be able to take your details and we'll sort some dates out. I'm not going to be in until the middle of Jan, so if it's before then just mention we've all been chatting about it!

28-12-2007, 23:11	#18
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI There has been a delay in getting the pumps sent over but fingers crossed they are on their way now. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

18-01-2008, 23:23	#22
Wardy 207/340 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Around Manchester & Cheshire Posts: 11,760 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 457 Thanked 372 Times in 360 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Like Chinese Whispers this thread! wink wink Steve __________________ Wardy's Fabia vRS xenons : sunroof : cruise : OEM+ "Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen "If in doubt, flat out." - Colin McRae

28-12-2007, 23:51	#19
CHRIS ELLIS Briskodian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 846 Members Car: Octavia Vrs MK11 Thanks: 10 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Well when they arrive just need to get some nice nice bloke to fit them .I know a chap with a heated factory to keep the fingers warm. __________________ Megan Fox Yummy Zenons,Maxidot,Park assist,Heated seats,Mfd3,Stus cruise control,Bluetooth handsfree,And as bright as the sun.

18-01-2008, 22:58	#21
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Surely we can have a pic to satisfy our curiosity __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm

22-01-2008, 22:42	#23
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,052 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI Right well I now have my pump installed on the car and WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Can't wait for a software update __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

23-01-2008, 01:31	#24
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI What kind of difference? Tell us more __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm

23-01-2008, 08:15	#25
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: Hi Volume Fuel Pump - 2.0TFSI I think after the ammount of time we've spent getting this sorted getting it working is the best news ever. For anyone else thinking of doing this job it seems that it is very important to ensure that CYL 1 is at TDC before swapping the pump. THis isn't contained in the instructions supplied with the pumps. Pretty sure Harry will produce a DIY when he gets time. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio