The JKM Rolling Road Day

Snoopie · 01-02-2007, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

I was unable to even run my car on the day, stop complaining

You could of ran the A2, With the front bonnet spoiler, which falls down at.. 0mph.

WW_VRS · 01-02-2007, 06:55

Hehehe

I considered it but I couldn't bring myself to do that to the courtesy car that I needed to get back home

faboka vrs · 01-02-2007, 09:45

So looking at the whp figures you are expecting a 40bhp loss from flywheel to the wheels?

Harry_vRS · 01-02-2007, 19:48

Again, a Stage 1 Revo Octavia vRS with no other performance modifications only made 228.3BHP.

I spoke to the owner, and he is fairly happy with the 'on the road performance' (not amazed should I note) which at the end of the day is what matters, but none the less, the figure is not within an acceptable margin of the quoted figure and both my friend and I feel that for the rather pricey sum of ~£500 that you'd get a figure more within the region quoted.

sko-with-go · 03-02-2007, 11:21

One word springs to mind reading this whole thread..... ' Squirm '

Sorry RevoKev, but that's what you appear to be doing.

I can't understand why your BHP claims are so much higher than Morego and, more to the point, Jabba. Especially when Jabba's claims are for a custom map not a generic one.

I own a MKII Vrs myself and I'm at the point of splashing my cash for a remap - can't see myself heading in Revo's direction at the moment though - based on this thread, or more to the point your head in the sand denial approach + your higher costs.

I've had two beetle 1.8t's mapped in the past, one by revo one by Jabba. At the time Revo claimed 212 bhp but the RR figure before and after didn't hold up. the Pre figure was around 170 bhp (150 bhp beetle) and the post was around 195 bhp. However, on the road the car was transformed and felt much quicker, the torque I guess.... so I just let it go. My second beetle, custom mapped by Jabba put out more power (around 210bhp) and was quicker with more progressive power. Being completely honest though, on the road the difference between the two was not significant. I'm not 'bigging up' Jabba here, I probably won't choose them this time because of the distances involved - the on road differences don't justify 6 hours worth of time or fuel ! but if they were around the corner that would be a different story.

I feel your power claims are dishonest, not misguided, and I get that feeling because of the way you avoid the issues around consistancy raised in this thread. If you were genuinely kicking out 255 bhp compared to 'Moregos' 235 bhp then a £200 premium for and extra 20 bhp would be a bargain - but it's a pipedream!
Jabba's claims of 240 BHP for a custom map seem realistic compared to Moregos 235 Bhp for a generic map, but Revo's figures are 'pub talk' with no consistant factual evidence to back them up.

The sad thing is Kev, your map may well be the best on the market and may transform the standard car (bit like my first beetle) but this whole thread and your input into it doesn't show revo in a good light at all, leaving potential buyers like me with a dilema

Makefish · 03-02-2007, 12:11

Keep an eye on this thread as REVO have offered to take a couple of cars for 'testing' in the middle of this month so I feel it only fair to reserve judgement till then.

sko-with-go · 03-02-2007, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makefish

Keep an eye on this thread as REVO have offered to take a couple of cars for 'testing' in the middle of this month so I feel it only fair to reserve judgement till then.

Fair enough, but I can't help feeling they should have an 'alternatively' tuned car there as a comparison on the day, ie if the revo cars put out 250bhp on revo's rollers what would a jabba or morego show ? sure you know where I'm coming from

Snoopie · 03-02-2007, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sko-with-go

ie if the revo cars put out 250bhp on revo's rollers what would a jabba or morego show ?

I doubt much more

sko-with-go · 04-02-2007, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopie

I doubt much more

No but that's my point, they both claim less

Krispe · 05-02-2007, 15:25

Only just noticed this thread.

My car is in need of its first variable service, indicator says 1000miles to go, but will get it done sooner and then stick it on fixed servicing.

Anyway when its done I would be very happy to get my car rolling roaded with some other remapped Octy VRS mk2s, to see how my AMD remap compares to theirs on the same rolling road.

**VRStu** · 05-02-2007, 17:46

Pity you have to wait as there is a RR day there this weekend.

Krispe · 05-02-2007, 18:57

This weekend is no unfortunately. Also I would preferably prefer a rolling road a little closer to home, (well less than 100miles from Northampton anyway.)

sko-with-go · 05-02-2007, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krispe

Only just noticed this thread.

My car is in need of its first variable service, indicator says 1000miles to go, but will get it done sooner and then stick it on fixed servicing.

Anyway when its done I would be very happy to get my car rolling roaded with some other remapped Octy VRS mk2s, to see how my AMD remap compares to theirs on the same rolling road.

How does it drive, what's the claimed Bhp, and how much was the re map ??

Many thanks Krispe.

sko-with-go · 05-02-2007, 20:30

Sorry, ignore my last post, just seen your thread in the Octy II section.........

VRSean · 09-02-2007, 18:12

Just found this thread. Was gonna get a revo remap when i get the tfsi, hellbent on it i was, but now i dont know what to do? Who do i go to for a remap now or are revo still ok? Confused

Makefish · 09-02-2007, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRSean

Just found this thread. Was gonna get a revo remap when i get the tfsi, hellbent on it i was, but now i dont know what to do? Who do i go to for a remap now or are revo still ok? Confused

Let me make this clear, the REVO remap for the TFSI is absolutely first class with torque in abundance it absolutey transforms the car and will put a grin on you wider than Irish Sea, BUT the claim of 255bhp is NOT realistic, more like 235bhp but don't let that put you off buying it, you won't regret it!.

VRSean · 09-02-2007, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makefish

Let me make this clear, the REVO remap for the TFSI is absolutely first class with torque in abundance it absolutey transforms the car and will put a grin on you wider than Irish Sea, BUT the claim of 255bhp is NOT realistic, more like 235bhp but don't let that put you off buying it, you won't regret it!.

Cheers. Will probably go with revo tbh. albeit without 255 bhp

Makefish · 13-02-2007, 23:09

We have spent a productive and interesting day with REVO but I am going to refrain from posting my thoughts for the moment mainly to give REVO the opportunity to evaluate the results and post their comments and observations first.

I will say though that there are some interesting devolpments on the Stage II software which I'm dying to let on about but again for the above reasons will refrain from commenting on for the moment.

Fluffmeister · 13-02-2007, 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRSean

Cheers. Will probably go with revo tbh. albeit without 255 bhp

Just to add a note to Makefish's comment, there should be something coming from Revo shortly. Stage1 gave consistent results today, having being removed and reflashed, then tweaked slightly.

All I can say for now is that the results where consistent on 2 different dyno's, the peak power was different, one wildly optimistic, but took a car without the code, ran it up, same car with the code, run it up and across 2 dynos the actual gains where the same near as damnit.

more to come once people have compared notes and Nick has had time to evaluate the huge amount of logging info he has gathered from both the stage 1 and 2 cars today.

I saw nothing today that would put me off opting for Revo1.

Makefish · 13-02-2007, 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluffmeister

I saw nothing today that would put me off opting for Revo1.

Or Stage II now

Harry_vRS · 13-02-2007, 23:29

Will anyone take it to the next level and go Stage 3 I wonder

DanGB · 14-02-2007, 03:18

Oooooh I can't wait for these findings guys!

Shifty · 14-02-2007, 03:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makefish

Or Stage II now

Put me out my misery then

**VRStu** · 14-02-2007, 07:48

I don't think there is a stage III yet.

Stuart_J · 14-02-2007, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

I don't think there is a stage III yet.

Just stop tinkering & get a bigger turbo, you know it makes sense

01-02-2007, 06:55	#102
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,881 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 86 Times in 76 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Hehehe I considered it but I couldn't bring myself to do that to the courtesy car that I needed to get back home __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

01-02-2007, 09:45	#103
faboka vrs Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6,058 Members Car: 2004 Fabia vRS TDI PD130 Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 46 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day So looking at the whp figures you are expecting a 40bhp loss from flywheel to the wheels? __________________ John 2004 Skoda Fabia vRS - Xenons - Heated Seats - Cruise Control - Passenger Airbag Deactivation switch - Side Airbags

01-02-2007, 19:48	#104
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,052 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Again, a Stage 1 Revo Octavia vRS with no other performance modifications only made 228.3BHP. I spoke to the owner, and he is fairly happy with the 'on the road performance' (not amazed should I note) which at the end of the day is what matters, but none the less, the figure is not within an acceptable margin of the quoted figure and both my friend and I feel that for the rather pricey sum of ~£500 that you'd get a figure more within the region quoted. __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

03-02-2007, 11:21	#105
sko-with-go Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 107 Members Car: Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day One word springs to mind reading this whole thread..... ' Squirm ' Sorry RevoKev, but that's what you appear to be doing. I can't understand why your BHP claims are so much higher than Morego and, more to the point, Jabba. Especially when Jabba's claims are for a custom map not a generic one. I own a MKII Vrs myself and I'm at the point of splashing my cash for a remap - can't see myself heading in Revo's direction at the moment though - based on this thread, or more to the point your head in the sand denial approach + your higher costs. I've had two beetle 1.8t's mapped in the past, one by revo one by Jabba. At the time Revo claimed 212 bhp but the RR figure before and after didn't hold up. the Pre figure was around 170 bhp (150 bhp beetle) and the post was around 195 bhp. However, on the road the car was transformed and felt much quicker, the torque I guess.... so I just let it go. My second beetle, custom mapped by Jabba put out more power (around 210bhp) and was quicker with more progressive power. Being completely honest though, on the road the difference between the two was not significant. I'm not 'bigging up' Jabba here, I probably won't choose them this time because of the distances involved - the on road differences don't justify 6 hours worth of time or fuel ! but if they were around the corner that would be a different story. I feel your power claims are dishonest, not misguided, and I get that feeling because of the way you avoid the issues around consistancy raised in this thread. If you were genuinely kicking out 255 bhp compared to 'Moregos' 235 bhp then a £200 premium for and extra 20 bhp would be a bargain - but it's a pipedream! Jabba's claims of 240 BHP for a custom map seem realistic compared to Moregos 235 Bhp for a generic map, but Revo's figures are 'pub talk' with no consistant factual evidence to back them up. The sad thing is Kev, your map may well be the best on the market and may transform the standard car (bit like my first beetle) but this whole thread and your input into it doesn't show revo in a good light at all, leaving potential buyers like me with a dilema

03-02-2007, 12:11	#106
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Keep an eye on this thread as REVO have offered to take a couple of cars for 'testing' in the middle of this month so I feel it only fair to reserve judgement till then. __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm

05-02-2007, 15:25	#110
Krispe Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 34 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Only just noticed this thread. My car is in need of its first variable service, indicator says 1000miles to go, but will get it done sooner and then stick it on fixed servicing. Anyway when its done I would be very happy to get my car rolling roaded with some other remapped Octy VRS mk2s, to see how my AMD remap compares to theirs on the same rolling road.

05-02-2007, 17:46	#111
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Pity you have to wait as there is a RR day there this weekend. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

05-02-2007, 18:57	#112
Krispe Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 34 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day This weekend is no unfortunately. Also I would preferably prefer a rolling road a little closer to home, (well less than 100miles from Northampton anyway.)

05-02-2007, 20:30	#114
sko-with-go Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 107 Members Car: Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Sorry, ignore my last post, just seen your thread in the Octy II section.........

09-02-2007, 18:12	#115
VRSean Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 74 Members Car: Black VRS TFSI Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Just found this thread. Was gonna get a revo remap when i get the tfsi, hellbent on it i was, but now i dont know what to do? Who do i go to for a remap now or are revo still ok? Confused

13-02-2007, 23:09	#118
Makefish Ex-Moddy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hampshire Posts: 8,277 Members Car: Golf PD105 Thanks: 187 Thanked 248 Times in 184 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day We have spent a productive and interesting day with REVO but I am going to refrain from posting my thoughts for the moment mainly to give REVO the opportunity to evaluate the results and post their comments and observations first. I will say though that there are some interesting devolpments on the Stage II software which I'm dying to let on about but again for the above reasons will refrain from commenting on for the moment. __________________ Superchips Bluefin only £390 @ JKM http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/bluefinxmas2008.htm Last edited by Makefish; 13-02-2007 at 23:15.

13-02-2007, 23:29	#121
Harry_vRS Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Posts: 2,052 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS Mk2 Thanks: 17 Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Will anyone take it to the next level and go Stage 3 I wonder __________________ \| Silver Octavia v/RS Mk2 \| 18" Alloys \| Dual Zone Climatronic \| Xenons \| \| 273bhp 335lbft \|

14-02-2007, 03:18	#122
DanGB Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: SE London Posts: 380 Members Car: Skoda Fabia 2001 1.4 8v classic Thanks: 8 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day Oooooh I can't wait for these findings guys! __________________ Seat New Leon TFSI Sport. Tweaked OLD: Fabia 1.4 8v

14-02-2007, 07:48	#124
VRStu Txt Spk Police Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,856 Members Car: Audi S3 Thanks: 145 Thanked 999 Times in 895 Posts	Re: The JKM Rolling Road Day I don't think there is a stage III yet. __________________ Stu Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

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