Revo Trial Code

Revo Richard · 23-10-2003, 15:02

Please see the link below for a detailed overview of this saga.
There have been a few threads with mentions of issues after trial code on this forum. I know these have pretty much died out now but we did not want to be accused of ignorance. This may open up the whole can of worms again but we feel the response is justified and required if only for the few complaints received.

Revo would like to thank Briskoda for giving prior permission to post this link.

http://pub219.ezboard.com/frevotechn...picID=35.topic

***DGW*** · 23-10-2003, 15:20

Members may wish to be aware that this post has been copied to Members Area - Discounts and Company Forums - Revo Technik for ease of future reference.

redbaron · 23-10-2003, 15:25

yet another load of bull from Revo.. the simple problem is there software does not return your car to standard. I have seen the evidence of this first hand on my own vehicle....

By all means put Revo software on your car but dont for one second believe you are a: getting the best value or b: dealing with an honest company.

These are my views based on my experience and may not be the views of Briskoda or its organisers. Personally I wouldnt let Revo chip my potato.

Tavia4x4 · 23-10-2003, 15:33

Paul - could you give a brief breakdown of what happened with your car \ why you come to the above conclusions?

redbaron · 23-10-2003, 15:35

not in public no. however those who come to meets are more than welcome to ask.

RevoKev · 23-10-2003, 15:48

ffelan, we offered to investigate any issues at the time but you had already moved on to someone else's software on the evidence that they had shown you. We did not see that "evidence", so we have no reason to believe this was any different from what has been described on our forum (see above link).

Revo Richard · 23-10-2003, 16:08

Quote:

These are my views based on my experience and may not be the views of Briskoda or its organisers. Personally I wouldnt let Revo chip my potato.

Luckily for us that we do not sell "chips" of any type,shape or form

Seriously, sorry to hear of your "bad experience", maybe you can give us a call to discuss the problem in full?

redbaron · 23-10-2003, 16:20

I have had discussions with Revo in the past via Kev, doubt another conversation would change my views...

None of them have ever been able to explain how my car came to be running "potentially disasterous" levels of ignition advance.

Plus I wasnt aware Revo could offer anything for the Tuscan?
A reliability kit would be much appreciated.

bandit1 · 23-10-2003, 16:40

Having read the link Richard, I personally think it gives the impression of a very large smoke screen.

You state that "This technology is so revolutionary it is patent pending and undoubtedly taking sales away from these companies and directing them to Revo"

Definately not the case on this site, You only have to look how many people have gone for Jabba vs other companies (sounds like a good idea for a poll).

Jabba have given excellent service to the members here without having to resort to "Mud Slinging" or any questionable tactics.

I guess we on here have decided that "One Size does NOT fit all"

I wish you well, but I fear you have an "Uphill Battle" with the members here

PS How's it going with APR then ??

Graham

Revo Richard · 23-10-2003, 16:59

You must remember we sell worldwide. This was a general response and not aimed at the members of this site only. I am aware we do not have the best following from UK Skoda owners so we will probably look at ways of improving this in the future.
"Smoke screen" to hide what? we cannot disclose any more info if we tried.
"Mud slinging" truck loads of this gets thrown in our direction. This is the first time we have reacted publicly and we feel it is quite justified. The originators of the gossip know who they are and will probably come up with more in the future. We have merely tried to explain the truth behind this rumour mill.

"One size fits all" Another debate that has come and gone. No doubt it will come up again. We have always been honest and not claimed something that we do not actually do.

APR?............something to do with a bank loan isn't it?

**delcac** · 23-10-2003, 17:38

That hole is turning into a crater m8.

Des

Revo Richard · 23-10-2003, 17:55

I Know, I know. Just give me a JCB

I think I did say something earlier about a can of worms

redbaron · 23-10-2003, 17:56

Richard - I have no wish to fall out with you at all. Its just quite a few here have witnessed the issues first hand.

Revo Richard · 23-10-2003, 18:06

if you do not want to state anything in public I understand but please email me the whole story(richard@revotechnik.com). I am genuinely interested to hear. Maybe some real evidence could lead us to the problem if we have one at all with trial code.
I have no wish to fall out with anybody either. It is difficult to put my emotion in to the written word but please read my posts knowing that they are written with a light hearted tinge.

Daveclar · 23-10-2003, 19:05

Does anybody know what the general reponse is from VW,Audi and Seat owners with Revo remaps. I am fairly interested in getting their trial version over here.(pending). Regards David

redbaron · 23-10-2003, 19:55

i believe there are one or two threads on cupranet and vwvortex about Revo and the costs / benefits / legals etc have a look through and make your own mind up.

***DGW*** · 23-10-2003, 20:55

One 'down side' to the Revo trial software which worried me is that if, having used it, you decide that you do not want to go the Revo route, you are left with an ECU chip with code on it which wasn't on the original chip. This means that, from an insurance point of view (and Skoda's too), your car is modified whether you like it or not. Moreover, in the event of a warranty claim on the ECU, I have no doubt that the manufacturer of that part would spot the presence of non-standard code and reject the claim. And if an insurer decided to investigate the ECU for any reason, it could result in an insurance claim being refused too.

Another concern I have relates to Revo's statement that at the end of a trial the ECU will revert to the latest version of the manufacturer's stock software if it has been updated since the original software was installed on the ECU. Has Revo been licensed by VAG to use that software and to provide updates to users of Revo software? Is that not akin to putting my PC in for repair with Windows 98 installed and getting it back with Windows XP installed - but without the necessary licence? Or does VAG release their software including updates to companies other than their dealers? Or isn't it the stock software at all but reverse engineered code? Had I tried the Revo trial software - and I was sorely tempted - I would have wanted a guarantee that at the end of that trial I would have had the original code on the ECU and no other. But my understanding is that this is not the case.

KLB · 23-10-2003, 22:00

Speaking purely as a "techie" here - I have no axe to grind, I'm just interested in the methods involved...

If I wanted to try some new software, I'd take a backup of the old version, and keep it safe. Then, if something went wrong, I'd restore from the old backup.

If I wanted a demonstration of trial software, I'd expect the same - a backup of the original, followed by a restore at the end of the trial.

That's the ONLY way to ensure you return to the "stock" map - and the only one which would be transparent to Skoda and any insurance investigator who took an interest.

I'd be interested to hear Revo's comments...

bandit1 · 23-10-2003, 23:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Revo Richard in this post

APR?............something to do with a bank loan isn't it?

Yes it is.

It can also be applied to damages awarded by the courts !!

Graham

mellowyellow · 23-10-2003, 23:42

I at one time was very interested in the Revo route and very nearly went there , but in the the end I went to Jabba , and I'm very pleased I did .................I have no axe to grind with anyone over this matter , it's just that I wasn't 100% convinced by Revo .

Perhaps I'm a little "old fashioned" in that I prefer the personal touch - which I feel you get with Jabba - rather than the "just let me download this wonderful thing to your car" approach I feel you get from Revo .

I may well be totally wrong , but at least I'm happy .

**TaviaRS** · 24-10-2003, 10:13

Richard,

I have a standard chip for my Octavia RS. If you wish, I'll put it in and you can then give me the trial version. When it reverts to standard at the end you can then see what happens. I will of course then go back to my Jabba map (which I'll keep nice and safe to avoid it all being replaced by Fs), but if it will help I'm willing.

We / I had this before with a certain other chip (who shall remain nameless). It highlighted the important point that the management used in the Skoda is different to that used by others in the VAG group (wastegate actuation programming is different for a start).

Jon

Revo Richard · 24-10-2003, 12:00

Jon,

Could be worth a try. Although I would rather put in a stock ECU than get involved in removing/de-soldering chips. This tends to damage the board once they have been on/off a few times.
Do you know the ECU# of yours? If so we may have a spare one to test with.

Graham,

sorry but I do notwant to be drawn in to the age old APR battle again

**TaviaRS** · 24-10-2003, 12:10

Would that be the number on the outside of the box or the one actually on the chip?

**TaviaRS** · 24-10-2003, 12:11

IIRC mine is on a little carrier so no soldering is required

bandit1 · 24-10-2003, 12:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Revo Richard in this post

Graham,

sorry but I do notwant to be drawn in to the age old APR battle again

Yeah I know,

I was playing devils advocate, tongue in cheek etc etc.

No offence behind it.

Graham

PS

JBS are doing a good job at pushing the software for you.

23-10-2003, 15:02	#1
Revo Richard Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Revo Trial Code Please see the link below for a detailed overview of this saga. There have been a few threads with mentions of issues after trial code on this forum. I know these have pretty much died out now but we did not want to be accused of ignorance. This may open up the whole can of worms again but we feel the response is justified and required if only for the few complaints received. Revo would like to thank Briskoda for giving prior permission to post this link. http://pub219.ezboard.com/frevotechn...picID=35.topic

23-10-2003, 15:20	#2
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,300 Members Car: Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Estate & Fabia vRS Thanks: 51 Thanked 208 Times in 157 Posts	Members may wish to be aware that this post has been copied to Members Area - Discounts and Company Forums - Revo Technik for ease of future reference. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

23-10-2003, 15:25	#3
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,570 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	yet another load of bull from Revo.. the simple problem is there software does not return your car to standard. I have seen the evidence of this first hand on my own vehicle.... By all means put Revo software on your car but dont for one second believe you are a: getting the best value or b: dealing with an honest company. These are my views based on my experience and may not be the views of Briskoda or its organisers. Personally I wouldnt let Revo chip my potato. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling. Last edited by redbaron; 23-10-2003 at 15:33.

23-10-2003, 15:33	#4
Tavia4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: J5 M61 Posts: 5,294 Members Car: Octavia 4x4 - aka "The Ambulance" Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Paul - could you give a brief breakdown of what happened with your car \ why you come to the above conclusions? __________________ Ian __________________ Nice to be important, but more important to be nice...

23-10-2003, 15:35	#5
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,570 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	not in public no. however those who come to meets are more than welcome to ask. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

23-10-2003, 15:48	#6
RevoKev Site Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 214 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts	ffelan, we offered to investigate any issues at the time but you had already moved on to someone else's software on the evidence that they had shown you. We did not see that "evidence", so we have no reason to believe this was any different from what has been described on our forum (see above link).

23-10-2003, 16:20	#8
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,570 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	I have had discussions with Revo in the past via Kev, doubt another conversation would change my views... None of them have ever been able to explain how my car came to be running "potentially disasterous" levels of ignition advance. Plus I wasnt aware Revo could offer anything for the Tuscan? A reliability kit would be much appreciated. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

23-10-2003, 16:40	#9
bandit1 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Not a Post Whore Posts: 475 Members Car: Octavia vRS WRC Edition Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Having read the link Richard, I personally think it gives the impression of a very large smoke screen. You state that "This technology is so revolutionary it is patent pending and undoubtedly taking sales away from these companies and directing them to Revo" Definately not the case on this site, You only have to look how many people have gone for Jabba vs other companies (sounds like a good idea for a poll). Jabba have given excellent service to the members here without having to resort to "Mud Slinging" or any questionable tactics. I guess we on here have decided that "One Size does NOT fit all" I wish you well, but I fear you have an "Uphill Battle" with the members here PS How's it going with APR then ?? Graham __________________ Driving a Bus !!

23-10-2003, 16:59	#10
Revo Richard Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You must remember we sell worldwide. This was a general response and not aimed at the members of this site only. I am aware we do not have the best following from UK Skoda owners so we will probably look at ways of improving this in the future. "Smoke screen" to hide what? we cannot disclose any more info if we tried. "Mud slinging" truck loads of this gets thrown in our direction. This is the first time we have reacted publicly and we feel it is quite justified. The originators of the gossip know who they are and will probably come up with more in the future. We have merely tried to explain the truth behind this rumour mill. "One size fits all" Another debate that has come and gone. No doubt it will come up again. We have always been honest and not claimed something that we do not actually do. APR?............something to do with a bank loan isn't it?

23-10-2003, 17:38	#11
delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Members Car: A red one Images: 3 Thanks: 17 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	That hole is turning into a crater m8. Des __________________ The Red Devil

23-10-2003, 17:55	#12
Revo Richard Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I Know, I know. Just give me a JCB I think I did say something earlier about a can of worms

23-10-2003, 17:56	#13
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,570 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Richard - I have no wish to fall out with you at all. Its just quite a few here have witnessed the issues first hand. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

23-10-2003, 18:06	#14
Revo Richard Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	if you do not want to state anything in public I understand but please email me the whole story(richard@revotechnik.com). I am genuinely interested to hear. Maybe some real evidence could lead us to the problem if we have one at all with trial code. I have no wish to fall out with anybody either. It is difficult to put my emotion in to the written word but please read my posts knowing that they are written with a light hearted tinge.

23-10-2003, 19:05	#15
Daveclar Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dublin,Ireland Posts: 745 Members Car: Black Octavia vRS Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Does anybody know what the general reponse is from VW,Audi and Seat owners with Revo remaps. I am fairly interested in getting their trial version over here.(pending). Regards David __________________ 2008 Black vRS CR TDi Combi. Irish Spec,Non smokers pack,4 Electric windows, Dual zone,Jumbo box,Rain sensors,Cruise,maxidot,Trip computer,Come home lights. Extras. 18" alloys, Double visor, Active headrests. Sin a bhfuil

23-10-2003, 19:55	#16
redbaron Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,570 Members Car: Thanks: 15 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	i believe there are one or two threads on cupranet and vwvortex about Revo and the costs / benefits / legals etc have a look through and make your own mind up. __________________ ________________________________________ Some times I just feel like smiling.

24-10-2003, 12:11	#24
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	IIRC mine is on a little carrier so no soldering is required __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

23-10-2003, 20:55	#17
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,300 Members Car: Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Estate & Fabia vRS Thanks: 51 Thanked 208 Times in 157 Posts	One 'down side' to the Revo trial software which worried me is that if, having used it, you decide that you do not want to go the Revo route, you are left with an ECU chip with code on it which wasn't on the original chip. This means that, from an insurance point of view (and Skoda's too), your car is modified whether you like it or not. Moreover, in the event of a warranty claim on the ECU, I have no doubt that the manufacturer of that part would spot the presence of non-standard code and reject the claim. And if an insurer decided to investigate the ECU for any reason, it could result in an insurance claim being refused too. Another concern I have relates to Revo's statement that at the end of a trial the ECU will revert to the latest version of the manufacturer's stock software if it has been updated since the original software was installed on the ECU. Has Revo been licensed by VAG to use that software and to provide updates to users of Revo software? Is that not akin to putting my PC in for repair with Windows 98 installed and getting it back with Windows XP installed - but without the necessary licence? Or does VAG release their software including updates to companies other than their dealers? Or isn't it the stock software at all but reverse engineered code? Had I tried the Revo trial software - and I was sorely tempted - I would have wanted a guarantee that at the end of that trial I would have had the original code on the ECU and no other. But my understanding is that this is not the case. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

23-10-2003, 22:00	#18
KLB Discordian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Newport, Newport - so good the Post Office named it twice Posts: 1,962 Members Car: Octavia vRS hatch, 1.8T Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Speaking purely as a "techie" here - I have no axe to grind, I'm just interested in the methods involved... If I wanted to try some new software, I'd take a backup of the old version, and keep it safe. Then, if something went wrong, I'd restore from the old backup. If I wanted a demonstration of trial software, I'd expect the same - a backup of the original, followed by a restore at the end of the trial. That's the ONLY way to ensure you return to the "stock" map - and the only one which would be transparent to Skoda and any insurance investigator who took an interest. I'd be interested to hear Revo's comments... __________________ Mike

23-10-2003, 23:42	#20
mellowyellow Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In the land of Stella . Posts: 2,378 Members Car: Yellow Octavia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I at one time was very interested in the Revo route and very nearly went there , but in the the end I went to Jabba , and I'm very pleased I did .................I have no axe to grind with anyone over this matter , it's just that I wasn't 100% convinced by Revo . Perhaps I'm a little "old fashioned" in that I prefer the personal touch - which I feel you get with Jabba - rather than the "just let me download this wonderful thing to your car" approach I feel you get from Revo . I may well be totally wrong , but at least I'm happy . __________________ See , the problem is that God gives men a brain and a penis , and only enough blood to run one at a time !

24-10-2003, 10:13	#21
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Richard, I have a standard chip for my Octavia RS. If you wish, I'll put it in and you can then give me the trial version. When it reverts to standard at the end you can then see what happens. I will of course then go back to my Jabba map (which I'll keep nice and safe to avoid it all being replaced by Fs), but if it will help I'm willing. We / I had this before with a certain other chip (who shall remain nameless). It highlighted the important point that the management used in the Skoda is different to that used by others in the VAG group (wastegate actuation programming is different for a start). Jon __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

24-10-2003, 12:00	#22
Revo Richard Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jon, Could be worth a try. Although I would rather put in a stock ECU than get involved in removing/de-soldering chips. This tends to damage the board once they have been on/off a few times. Do you know the ECU# of yours? If so we may have a spare one to test with. Graham, sorry but I do notwant to be drawn in to the age old APR battle again

24-10-2003, 12:10	#23
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Would that be the number on the outside of the box or the one actually on the chip? __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

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