Revo Trial Code

***ncarring*** · 24-10-2003, 12:46

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Originally posted by TaviaRS in this post
IIRC mine is on a little carrier so no soldering is required

It may be NOW, but the original is a surface-mount chip.

**TaviaRS** · 24-10-2003, 13:34

Indeed it is but, inculding the standard one, I have 4 different chips with various maps on them

***ncarring*** · 24-10-2003, 13:49

Oooooo - hark at him!!!! :p

badger5 · 24-10-2003, 18:26

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Originally posted by DGW in this post
One 'down side' to the Revo trial software which worried me is that if, having used it, you decide that you do not want to go the Revo route, you are left with an ECU chip with code on it which wasn't on the original chip. This means that, from an insurance point of view (and Skoda's too), your car is modified whether you like it or not. Moreover, in the event of a warranty claim on the ECU, I have no doubt that the manufacturer of that part would spot the presence of non-standard code and reject the claim. And if an insurer decided to investigate the ECU for any reason, it could result in an insurance claim being refused too.

Another concern I have relates to Revo's statement that at the end of a trial the ECU will revert to the latest version of the manufacturer's stock software if it has been updated since the original software was installed on the ECU. Has Revo been licensed by VAG to use that software and to provide updates to users of Revo software? Is that not akin to putting my PC in for repair with Windows 98 installed and getting it back with Windows XP installed - but without the necessary licence? Or does VAG release their software including updates to companies other than their dealers? Or isn't it the stock software at all but reverse engineered code? Had I tried the Revo trial software - and I was sorely tempted - I would have wanted a guarantee that at the end of that trial I would have had the original code on the ECU and no other. But my understanding is that this is not the case.

LMAO... comparisons with WinXP.... now would you want a car powered by Mircrosoft? LOL

badger5 · 24-10-2003, 18:31

As an aside...
Try a REVO trial and then go back afterwards if you felt it was "less powerful" post trial, and get a reflash to stock.

The explanation given by REVO exactly explains what 'other' tuners see with their propriatry software tools. If in any doubt however.... get a free reflash to stock for 'peace of mind' if you needed it.

and yes.... before someone posts... "Your a REVO dealer" - yes I am, but I am also a happy Jabba customer.

regards
bill

***DGW*** · 24-10-2003, 18:57

Bill - what does stock mean exactly? Is it the original code which has been backed up from the customer's chip, or what may or may not be the original code - or subsequent revision - from some other source? And how do customers who have had Revo trial software installed via a laptop in a car park somewhere (as posted on SEATCupra.net) get their ECUs returned to 'stock'? That doesn't apply, of course, to customers who take their cars to an approved Revo dealer as opposed to having a dealer do a batch lot on demand at a meeting or whatever.

MonkeyHanger · 24-10-2003, 20:14

Maybe i'm missing something here, but why should a "reflash to stock" be necessary ?

Isn't your ECU "supposed" to return to its original state after the trial ?

And by original, i mean exactly as it was pre trial.

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When the 5-hour trial expires, the chip reverts itself back, leaving your vehicle in its totally original condition.

badger5 · 25-10-2003, 19:14

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Originally posted by DGW in this post
Bill - what does stock mean exactly? Is it the original code which has been backed up from the customer's chip, or what may or may not be the original code - or subsequent revision - from some other source? And how do customers who have had Revo trial software installed via a laptop in a car park somewhere (as posted on SEATCupra.net) get their ECUs returned to 'stock'? That doesn't apply, of course, to customers who take their cars to an approved Revo dealer as opposed to having a dealer do a batch lot on demand at a meeting or whatever.

Reflash back to stock means the stock code that ECU came with (by part number) will be reflashed to its original spec. Its ecu number dependant. As revisions go up, the ecu numbers change to it is ecu specific.
If done in a location like you say it was by mutual agreement I guess, or an arranged meet etc. There are a whole bunch of REVO dealers around the country these days, who have the code to reflash to stock, (IF) there is actually a real need.

The reflash to stock is just my suggestion for those who still think they are slower even after allowing for the adaption to work its way out as posted by REVO.
I have reflashed one or two cars to stock again, and this forces adaption and eliminates any suggestion of 'iffy' code residuals that some people will say they see etc.. All feedback form this was +ve. Things were back to normal.

My personal preference is to offer a 30 day money back guarantee on REVO full code as it is not the dulled down trial, and has full feature SPS adjustment available also. If not happy, then I reflash it back to stock and refund. Easy peasy. To date, no one has asked for full code to be removed. (which is nice).

APR are also now being 'accused' of not goign so well post trial I see on a few forums....
Some of this is perceived as its one heck of a loss of power after you got used to high power. Some of it is actual component failure, like DV's for example, which did not like high boost.

Try before you buy option is still a nice option. I wish I had that when I first entered 20VT motoring in 2001.

Bill

***DGW*** · 25-10-2003, 23:28

Bill

I think your approach is a totally sensible and transparent one and, as you say, gives the best of both worlds - ie trial of the full software over a very reasonable period followed by return to the full original code if the customer so wishes. If Revo were to adopt what your are doing as company policy, it would at a stroke remove any doubts or suspicions about the trial code including what remains on the ECU when the trial is over.

Revo Richard · 27-10-2003, 12:09

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During the period that a few customers had reported issues linked to trial code installation we have always advised that they return to their Revo dealer and have the stock code re-flashed to the vehicle. Not many took up this offer as their cars returned to form within a few days, however if you feel your car does have a post trial code difference after the expiry time has elapsed then the stock re-flash offer will always be available.

Taken from the explination on Revo website forum.

I take it everone was very bored,asleep or had just given up by this point

This was the second from last paragraph.

To go back to Jon's bit about the socket on his ECU; The original Chip is surface mount but I would guess that Jabba use some sort of decryption socket which could leave us a problem if we tried to insert a stock coded chip. If this is the case then the stock chip you possess is the version which would be decrypted by the Jabba socket (only they would know the key to their encryption). If the socket is just a means of being able to insert different chips with ease (no desoldering required each time) then the original stock chip would run ok. I would hazard a guess that the socket is a decryption device, do you think software of this nature and cost would be open for all to copy

Jon.....ECU number required is the one of the ECU casing, would be something like 06A 906 032 XX?

RevoKev · 28-10-2003, 16:34

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If Revo were to adopt what your are doing as company policy

Denis the 30day money back guarantee is Revo company policy, it is your choice as to whether you 'use' this as a trial of the full code. The drawback obviously being you would have to part with your money prior to driving away, having said that you would be refunded if not happy with the product.

24-10-2003, 13:34	#27
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24-10-2003, 18:31	#30
badger5 Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: nr Glos,UK Posts: 511 Members Car: Golf IV, Ibiza Cupra 20VT Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	As an aside... Try a REVO trial and then go back afterwards if you felt it was "less powerful" post trial, and get a reflash to stock. The explanation given by REVO exactly explains what 'other' tuners see with their propriatry software tools. If in any doubt however.... get a free reflash to stock for 'peace of mind' if you needed it. and yes.... before someone posts... "Your a REVO dealer" - yes I am, but I am also a happy Jabba customer. regards bill __________________ 517bhp / 378lbft SEAT Ibiza Badger Mobile

24-10-2003, 18:57	#31
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,300 Members Car: Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Estate & Fabia vRS Thanks: 51 Thanked 208 Times in 157 Posts	Bill - what does stock mean exactly? Is it the original code which has been backed up from the customer's chip, or what may or may not be the original code - or subsequent revision - from some other source? And how do customers who have had Revo trial software installed via a laptop in a car park somewhere (as posted on SEATCupra.net) get their ECUs returned to 'stock'? That doesn't apply, of course, to customers who take their cars to an approved Revo dealer as opposed to having a dealer do a batch lot on demand at a meeting or whatever. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

25-10-2003, 23:28	#34
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,300 Members Car: Octavia 1.8T 4X4 Estate & Fabia vRS Thanks: 51 Thanked 208 Times in 157 Posts	Bill I think your approach is a totally sensible and transparent one and, as you say, gives the best of both worlds - ie trial of the full software over a very reasonable period followed by return to the full original code if the customer so wishes. If Revo were to adopt what your are doing as company policy, it would at a stroke remove any doubts or suspicions about the trial code including what remains on the ECU when the trial is over. __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.57 mpg...

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