Apologies Bengie and others...Vans

lozgti · 13-01-2006, 10:19

Should they be restricted to 50 mph.

Had a rant yesterday about a lunatic in one but virtually every van seems to be driven by a nutter.Whether its up your backside at 90 on a motorway (those of you that do 90),clinging on to the road round bends.

Why do you do it? Not just that its not your vehicle,even a rep doesn't drive as badly.Its not a sports car either,so how they don't end up on their side I don't know

Calm it down lads,please (or will hell freeze over first)

heresmo · 13-01-2006, 10:57

Is it emphasised cos you've got a thing about them? I particularly notice bad SUV drivers, though statistically they are probably no worse.

Many vans dash around our high street which are generally at least as polite, if not more so, than car drivers. If anything, we car drivers annoy them since we can't go over bumps and hold them up

Maybe it's a stress reliever to give it some welly once they get on a motorway?

Mo

EddyH · 13-01-2006, 11:04

Some employers restrict their vans, British Gas is one that I know of.

dsmithmobile · 13-01-2006, 18:38

As a van driver i think your idea of restricting them to 50 mph is a little harsh,
i must admit i have been known to break the speed limits on occasions and have the points to prove it,i'm not proud of this but i have and lets face it drivers of all types of vehicles break speed limits and drive like idiots day in day out so restricting vans would not solve your problems if anything you would just end up stuck behind the same van drivers when they hog the outside lane at 50mph

kris_vrs_fabia · 13-01-2006, 19:06

i drive a van as im a builder for local council, i think there are nutters in all vehicles, but you just notice the vans more, as they are bigger and stand out more, my van wont do anything like 90mph, plus its got a tracker and my bosses know exactly where i am and what speed im doing.

Octygone · 13-01-2006, 19:32

Vans are restricted to 50 mph as far as I know..........HGVs are restricted to 40 mph on normal roads and 60 on dual carrigeway and motorways.

I would love my van to do 90 but you wouldn't see me in it at that speed

(renault extra diesel) it's dangerous enough at 50.

And besides everyone knows the fastest thing on four wheels is a vauxhall astramax van with the radio turned all the way up

Octygone · 13-01-2006, 20:05

Speed limits103: You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table below). Street lights usually mean that there is a 30 mph speed limit unless there are signs showing another limit.
Law RTRA sects 81,86,89 & sch 6

Speed Limits

Built-up
Areas*ElsewhereMotorwaDualys
Built up Single
areas carriage-ways Dual Carrige M-way

Type of vehicleMPHMPHMPHMPH
Cars and motorcycles
(including car derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight)
30 60 70 70

Cars towing caravans or trailers
(including car derived vans and motorcycles)
30 50 60 60

Buses and coaches
(not exceeding 12 metres in overall length)
30 50 60 70

Goods vehicles
(not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight)
30 50 60 70+

Goods vehicles
(exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight)
30 40 50 60

JPreston · 13-01-2006, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by heresmo

...I particularly notice bad SUV drivers, though statistically they are probably no worse.

...

I absolutely hate drivers of four wheel vehicles, which are 26% more likely to be involved in an accident and of course unnecessarily cause that much more damage and death when they inevitably are, despite the lame arguments about higher positions and better visibility.

My route to work passes a 40 mph A-road with a primary school on it and of course living in bloody hertfordshire there are so many 4WD's being ineptly piloted around wide lazy circles that cross both lanes by women who can barely see over the wheel that it looks like a merry-go-round in the mornings

Quote:

Originally Posted by kris_vrs_fabia

...its got a tracker and my bosses know exactly where i am and what speed im doing....

I know of a couple of big companies doing something similar with their fleets, the accident rates to date have been unbelievable and in a way this is the nuclear response. TBH seeing the projected cash savings and considering the number of accidents this translates to I believe it's inevitable that within a few years all public sector organisations and many many companies will follow suit, should save many many lives to boot.

jason · 13-01-2006, 20:13

i wish mine would do 50mph,in fact no,i wish it would just get there quicker
it must have a 0-50mph of about 3 milleniums(sp)
****reon dispare,avoid at all costs if you're buying a van,dealers are complete nob jockies too

bengie · 13-01-2006, 22:00

tbh i rag the ar$e out of my van and it will easily go faster than any speed limit in the UK

vans are great fun

matchmaker · 13-01-2006, 22:43

Used to drive the works Transit minibus when I lived in Shetland. My day started at 6am when I picked up the furthest flung employee who lived 30 miles from the site. I then worked back in, picking up bods as I got closer to base. Dumped all at site, poured concrete all day, then did the journey in reverse order. Got home at 9pm

The paypackets were awesome - I was clearing £500 per week.

So were the company fuel bills. It was a 2-litre Pinto petrol with a 4-speed gearbox and I hammered it - it went through a tank of 4 star per day

Bigw2069 · 13-01-2006, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPreston

I absolutely hate drivers of four wheel vehicles, .

My fabia has four wheels

JPreston · 14-01-2006, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigw2069

My fabia has four wheels

Wardy · 14-01-2006, 01:58

Think a 50mph is too harsh, maybe 70? I'm consistantly amazed the number of vans that pass me on the motorway, when I'm sat at 75-80. Those LWB dual-axle Sprinter vans usually contain drivers with a death wish I find! I shudder to think how long one of those takes to pull up from often triple-figure speeds, if its fully laden. And they all seem to be white, no markings and in dire need of a wash

Steve

bengie · 14-01-2006, 11:47

you'd be surprised how easily a good van accelerates and how well they stop

matchmaker · 14-01-2006, 17:56

I had a blue Transit sitting 3 feet off my bumper on the M80 today. I was sitting at a nice steady indicated 75 with cruise engaged, overtaking a long line of slower vehicles in the inside lane when Mr Ford attached himself to my tail. I hate being tailgated and three plans of action are normally open.

Plan A - ignore them and carry on at the same speed
Plan B - boot it in 5th
Plan C - drop into 4th and boot it

This guy was really close and was really pi**ing me off, so I adopted a new Plan D:

Drop into 3rd and boot it

Never saw him again

bengie · 14-01-2006, 18:33

i think everyone who passs their test should be made to drive a diesel van for a week so they can see what its like. taking 2 or 3 miles to get back up from 50mph to 70mph, needing to keep speed for hills etc.

it can be the most frustrating thing when ignorant drivers hold you up before a hill or something so you end up going really slow and losing a load of time over a long journey

dsmithmobile · 14-01-2006, 18:47

i actually enjoy driving my 05 caddy tdi as its very car like inside and is capable of triple figure speeds if pushed and acceleration is pretty good as well to be honest,
i can't say i find it dangerous at high speeds or cornering cos it feels very stable and as it has abs and asr then its probably a lot safer than a majority of older cars on the road

Kentish · 14-01-2006, 19:11

I hate car drivers who insist on being the private non-uniformed policeman.

I hate car drivers who drive at 65 in the outside lane.
I hate chavies
I hate people who think they are better than you because of the car they drive.
I hate the school run.

I hate people who think a van is a pile of toot just because its a van and should be resticted to 50 on a motorway, just so they can do warp speeds themselves.

Yes I drive a VW van, 2.5 tdi auto. It goes very nicely, and is very polite to those that bother to pay attention to the road instead of chatting on their mobile phone, or insist on driving at granny speed across both lanes 2 and 3 on a motorway.

heresmo · 14-01-2006, 21:04

One thing I notice about van drivers is that they know their vehicle, its potential and limitations, width in town driving. etc. After all, it's just possible that they do rather more miles than I do in a week

Regards
Mo

Kentish · 14-01-2006, 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by heresmo

One thing I notice about van drivers is that they know their vehicle, its potential and limitations, width in town driving. etc. After all, it's just possible that they do rather more miles than I do in a week

Regards
Mo

And how wide they are

lozgti · 16-01-2006, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentish

I hate car drivers who insist on being the private non-uniformed policeman.

I hate people who think they are better than you because of the car they drive.

I hate people who think a van is a pile of toot just because its a van and should be resticted to 50 on a motorway, just so they can do warp speeds themselves.

.

Eh? Think we are all entitled to report anyone who drives like a berk.There is a number on the back normally

People who think they are better than you because of their car are a little bit shallow and not to be worried about or hated

No one hates vans,or hates them becaause they stop you doing warp speed.

A van was not designed to do 100mph.It is still a tall box.It isn't designed for quick psycho manoeuvres in traffic.It is still a box.

I hope I havn't got to say how many van drivers I know are lovely people,like my brother

flatfourburble · 16-01-2006, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by bengie

i think everyone who passs their test should be made to drive a diesel van for a week so they can see what its like. taking 2 or 3 miles to get back up from 50mph to 70mph, needing to keep speed for hills etc.

it can be the most frustrating thing when ignorant drivers hold you up before a hill or something so you end up going really slow and losing a load of time over a long journey

I'd agree there but that applies to cars aswell, there are some cars out there that need winding up before they can take a hill on the motorway! All they need it some tw*t in a jag sitting in the middle lane doing 65!

The Peugeot Boxer van I drove at work was very nippy indeed! Personally most lane hoggers bug the hell out of me as to tailgaters ragardless of what they are.

Restricted them? No as I'm sure that will cause more problems in the long run

LittlePaul · 16-01-2006, 17:08

Think you're generalising diesel vans a bit.
Some of you guys obviosuly haven't driven a Sprinter.

prima2k · 16-01-2006, 17:36

I think you'll find you can't just bundle all 'vans' under the same heading, I've driven my van all over the country and encountered crap drivers of all vehicles.

Acceleration isn't always quickest so if you cause a van driver to slow down for no good reason they may well get a bit irrate. Generally they have the bad end of a sh*tty stick and have to drive, work then drive wherever again so it isn't difficult to wind them up.

I disagree with vans not being designed for doing 100mph, i think you'll find my Merc Sprinter 313CDI has a top speed of 105mph and I can testify it will do that whilst empty and fully loaded.

But I'm comfortable with this as I know the ins and outs of my van and lets see how your motor's perform with 250,000 miles on the clock as I know mine is good for that :-)

13-01-2006, 10:19	#1
lozgti Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: midlands Posts: 5,723 Members Car: Thanks: 10 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Should they be restricted to 50 mph. Had a rant yesterday about a lunatic in one but virtually every van seems to be driven by a nutter.Whether its up your backside at 90 on a motorway (those of you that do 90),clinging on to the road round bends. Why do you do it? Not just that its not your vehicle,even a rep doesn't drive as badly.Its not a sports car either,so how they don't end up on their side I don't know Calm it down lads,please (or will hell freeze over first)

13-01-2006, 10:57	#2
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,572 Members Car: Thanks: 52 Thanked 151 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Is it emphasised cos you've got a thing about them? I particularly notice bad SUV drivers, though statistically they are probably no worse. Many vans dash around our high street which are generally at least as polite, if not more so, than car drivers. If anything, we car drivers annoy them since we can't go over bumps and hold them up Maybe it's a stress reliever to give it some welly once they get on a motorway? Mo

13-01-2006, 11:04	#3
EddyH Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 4,908 Members Car: Audi S8 Thanks: 41 Thanked 27 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Some employers restrict their vans, British Gas is one that I know of. __________________ EddyH Audi A6 Avant 2.7 TDI Audi A3 2.0 TDI Sport

13-01-2006, 18:38	#4
dsmithmobile Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hull,East Yorkshire Posts: 1,068 Members Car: 02 black magic octavia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans As a van driver i think your idea of restricting them to 50 mph is a little harsh, i must admit i have been known to break the speed limits on occasions and have the points to prove it,i'm not proud of this but i have and lets face it drivers of all types of vehicles break speed limits and drive like idiots day in day out so restricting vans would not solve your problems if anything you would just end up stuck behind the same van drivers when they hog the outside lane at 50mph __________________ my car pics and spec here http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2309233

13-01-2006, 19:06	#5
kris_vrs_fabia yum yum yum yum Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: scotland Posts: 544 Members Car: skoda fabia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans i drive a van as im a builder for local council, i think there are nutters in all vehicles, but you just notice the vans more, as they are bigger and stand out more, my van wont do anything like 90mph, plus its got a tracker and my bosses know exactly where i am and what speed im doing.

13-01-2006, 19:32	#6
Octygone Old Git Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,828 Members Car: Octavia II tdi ..for now Thanks: 182 Thanked 116 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Vans are restricted to 50 mph as far as I know..........HGVs are restricted to 40 mph on normal roads and 60 on dual carrigeway and motorways. I would love my van to do 90 but you wouldn't see me in it at that speed (renault extra diesel) it's dangerous enough at 50. And besides everyone knows the fastest thing on four wheels is a vauxhall astramax van with the radio turned all the way up __________________

13-01-2006, 20:05	#7
Octygone Old Git Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,828 Members Car: Octavia II tdi ..for now Thanks: 182 Thanked 116 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Speed limits103: You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table below). Street lights usually mean that there is a 30 mph speed limit unless there are signs showing another limit. Law RTRA sects 81,86,89 & sch 6 Speed Limits Built-up AreasElsewhereMotorwaDualys Built up Single areas carriage-ways Dual Carrige M-way Type of vehicleMPHMPHMPHMPH Cars and motorcycles* (including car derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 60 70 70 Cars towing caravans or trailers (including car derived vans and motorcycles) 30 50 60 60 Buses and coaches (not exceeding 12 metres in overall length) 30 50 60 70 Goods vehicles (not exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 50 60 70+ Goods vehicles (exceeding 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 40 50 60 __________________ Last edited by Octygone; 13-01-2006 at 20:14.

13-01-2006, 20:13	#9
jason Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: shropshire Posts: 1,914 Members Car: skoda octavia VRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans i wish mine would do 50mph,in fact no,i wish it would just get there quicker it must have a 0-50mph of about 3 milleniums(sp) ****reon dispare,avoid at all costs if you're buying a van,dealers are complete nob jockies too __________________ louder than war

13-01-2006, 22:00	#10
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,257 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans tbh i rag the ar$e out of my van and it will easily go faster than any speed limit in the UK vans are great fun __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

13-01-2006, 22:43	#11
matchmaker Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Stirling Posts: 2,794 Members Car: Black Octavia vRS Thanks: 24 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Used to drive the works Transit minibus when I lived in Shetland. My day started at 6am when I picked up the furthest flung employee who lived 30 miles from the site. I then worked back in, picking up bods as I got closer to base. Dumped all at site, poured concrete all day, then did the journey in reverse order. Got home at 9pm The paypackets were awesome - I was clearing £500 per week. So were the company fuel bills. It was a 2-litre Pinto petrol with a 4-speed gearbox and I hammered it - it went through a tank of 4 star per day __________________ Alan "Darth" - Black Magic Octavia VRS with Forge DV, BMC CDA induction kit, Milltek cat, Supersprint exhaust, Xenons, ESP, cruise, parking sensors and Kumho 225/45/17 tyres Been to Star sufficient bhp & ample lb/ft All time low - 7.8 mpg

14-01-2006, 01:58	#14
Wardy 207/340 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Around Manchester & Cheshire Posts: 11,760 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 457 Thanked 372 Times in 360 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Think a 50mph is too harsh, maybe 70? I'm consistantly amazed the number of vans that pass me on the motorway, when I'm sat at 75-80. Those LWB dual-axle Sprinter vans usually contain drivers with a death wish I find! I shudder to think how long one of those takes to pull up from often triple-figure speeds, if its fully laden. And they all seem to be white, no markings and in dire need of a wash Steve __________________ Wardy's Fabia vRS xenons : sunroof : cruise : OEM+ "Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen "If in doubt, flat out." - Colin McRae

14-01-2006, 11:47	#15
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,257 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans you'd be surprised how easily a good van accelerates and how well they stop __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

14-01-2006, 17:56	#16
matchmaker Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Stirling Posts: 2,794 Members Car: Black Octavia vRS Thanks: 24 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans I had a blue Transit sitting 3 feet off my bumper on the M80 today. I was sitting at a nice steady indicated 75 with cruise engaged, overtaking a long line of slower vehicles in the inside lane when Mr Ford attached himself to my tail. I hate being tailgated and three plans of action are normally open. Plan A - ignore them and carry on at the same speed Plan B - boot it in 5th Plan C - drop into 4th and boot it This guy was really close and was really piing me off, so I adopted a new Plan D: Drop into 3rd and boot it Never saw him again __________________ Alan** "Darth" - Black Magic Octavia VRS with Forge DV, BMC CDA induction kit, Milltek cat, Supersprint exhaust, Xenons, ESP, cruise, parking sensors and Kumho 225/45/17 tyres Been to Star sufficient bhp & ample lb/ft All time low - 7.8 mpg

14-01-2006, 18:33	#17
bengie splash!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: planet earth Posts: 15,257 Members Car: 4x4 turbo estate Thanks: 17 Thanked 144 Times in 125 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans i think everyone who passs their test should be made to drive a diesel van for a week so they can see what its like. taking 2 or 3 miles to get back up from 50mph to 70mph, needing to keep speed for hills etc. it can be the most frustrating thing when ignorant drivers hold you up before a hill or something so you end up going really slow and losing a load of time over a long journey __________________ owner of a skoda octavia 4xvrs3

14-01-2006, 18:47	#18
dsmithmobile Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hull,East Yorkshire Posts: 1,068 Members Car: 02 black magic octavia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans i actually enjoy driving my 05 caddy tdi as its very car like inside and is capable of triple figure speeds if pushed and acceleration is pretty good as well to be honest, i can't say i find it dangerous at high speeds or cornering cos it feels very stable and as it has abs and asr then its probably a lot safer than a majority of older cars on the road __________________ my car pics and spec here http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2309233

14-01-2006, 19:11	#19
Kentish Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,245 Members Car: 4 wheels, 4 doors. Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans I hate car drivers who insist on being the private non-uniformed policeman. I hate car drivers who drive at 65 in the outside lane. I hate chavies I hate people who think they are better than you because of the car they drive. I hate the school run. I hate people who think a van is a pile of toot just because its a van and should be resticted to 50 on a motorway, just so they can do warp speeds themselves. Yes I drive a VW van, 2.5 tdi auto. It goes very nicely, and is very polite to those that bother to pay attention to the road instead of chatting on their mobile phone, or insist on driving at granny speed across both lanes 2 and 3 on a motorway. __________________ Andy Owner of a sense of humour.

14-01-2006, 21:04	#20
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,572 Members Car: Thanks: 52 Thanked 151 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans One thing I notice about van drivers is that they know their vehicle, its potential and limitations, width in town driving. etc. After all, it's just possible that they do rather more miles than I do in a week Regards Mo

16-01-2006, 17:08	#24
LittlePaul Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Northampton Posts: 504 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans Think you're generalising diesel vans a bit. Some of you guys obviosuly haven't driven a Sprinter. __________________ Black Magic Octavia vRS, cruise control, towbar, nokia NK-7W, PhatBox, bonnet lifters

16-01-2006, 17:36	#25
prima2k Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Apologies Bengie and others...Vans I think you'll find you can't just bundle all 'vans' under the same heading, I've driven my van all over the country and encountered crap drivers of all vehicles. Acceleration isn't always quickest so if you cause a van driver to slow down for no good reason they may well get a bit irrate. Generally they have the bad end of a sh*tty stick and have to drive, work then drive wherever again so it isn't difficult to wind them up. I disagree with vans not being designed for doing 100mph, i think you'll find my Merc Sprinter 313CDI has a top speed of 105mph and I can testify it will do that whilst empty and fully loaded. But I'm comfortable with this as I know the ins and outs of my van and lets see how your motor's perform with 250,000 miles on the clock as I know mine is good for that :-)

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