Children of Today

MissPiggy · 10-10-2005, 21:59

Was at work earlier with my mate, and one of the staff tells a girl to get out of the medical room because someone in there needed to be alone and quiet. this girl refused to move, so the staff member got another pupil over to try to get this girl out, she still wouldnt move, eventually she walked out of the medical room, but as the staff member was trying to shut the door the girl put her leg in it to stop it from being shut, the door was then shut and her leg was forced out so she decided to run around screaming. THEN she went over to a window in the dining room door, and started writing swear words all over it, then walked off. A minute later, she reappeared, and danced around singing yay i have been excluded. then she looked at me and my mate, asked if she could draw on the windows, we said no yet she still did. then saw her again later and she was writing swear words all over the white board in the main cloak room/hanging out room.

This girl was in year 7,8 or 9. so would be between the ages of 12 and 14. why are they so proud to be excluded??! dosent make sense!

anyway-rant over!!

devonutopia · 10-10-2005, 22:08

Nothing a good slap wouldn't sort out. Oh yeah, thats illegal nowadays!

MissPiggy · 10-10-2005, 22:10

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Originally Posted by devonutopia

Nothing a good slap wouldn't sort out. Oh yeah, thats illegal nowadays!

hmm-is accidently walking into someone so they hit their heads on a glass window illegal? so nearly done that. i just couldnt believe how she was so proud of being excluded!! we have only been back just over a month as well!!!

ADMotorsport · 10-10-2005, 22:19

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Originally Posted by MissPiggy

how she was so proud of being excluded!!

makes them sound "hard" if you know what i mean

anyone miss quotes they die

MissPiggy · 10-10-2005, 22:20

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Originally Posted by ADMotorsport

makes them sound "hard" if you know what i mean

i can see a guy wanting to do that to seem "hard" but a girl?!!! dosent seem right. and as for drawing on our windows that we have to clean

Alan M · 10-10-2005, 22:21

This is why i couldn't do a job that involved dealing with kids. I'd end up killing one of them...

MissPiggy · 10-10-2005, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Alan M

This is why i couldn't do a job that involved dealing with kids. I'd end up killing one of them...

i am aroudn alot of them because im ment to start work at 3:30 which is exactly the time that they stampeded through school to go home. and they are soo rude. i never thought i would ever hear a year 7 telling a member of staff to f*** off because they had been told to stand in the queue for their bus!!!

devonutopia · 10-10-2005, 22:23

Must resist mis-quote, MUST resist! ARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHH!

MissPiggy · 10-10-2005, 22:24

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Originally Posted by devonutopia

Must resist mis-quote, MUST resist! ARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHH!

J-this thread is now in roadside hotel so be sensible!! no misquotes please

ScoobyChris · 10-10-2005, 22:29

A friend of mine did teacher training in Manchester and she would have been relieved if all the kids did was swear at her! A real eye opener!

Chris

MissPiggy · 10-10-2005, 22:31

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Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

A friend of mine did teacher training in Manchester and she would have been relieved if all the kids did was swear at her! A real eye opener!

Chris

ooo. nah-well. if the kids at my shcool do anything bad then they get sent to a room taht is loike a block of toilets!! there are different cubicles adn each child gets put in a cubicle, ahs to face the wall and read the school rules, all day long,. there are probs about 10 of these cubicles, and everyday they are full, and the extreme cases get sent to the upper school with prefect guarding!!!! how wrong is that???? but serves them right i suppose but they just see it as a day doing no work!

Gwilo · 11-10-2005, 06:22

i'm all for political correctness and human rights, but this is where the rot set in imo.
children no longer respect the authority of, well, anyone really. treating a child as an equal flies against the education model of pedagogy - to be lead to knowledge, childfen inherently lack the discipline core to the adult model.

however, being excluded is seen as a badge of how hard you are and, apparently, creates an image that some aspire to.
was same in my day - how old!
but no one would step out of line in my old science teachers class. ok, he couldn't lay a finger on us, but, as ex-army, he could bawl you out for england and devise suitably amusing (to him) punishments. top bloke. i loved him.
and don't you dare jason

JRHartley · 11-10-2005, 07:22

Kids..........big cricket bat with studs in......nuff said........

neilwilliams · 11-10-2005, 10:39

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Originally Posted by MissPiggy

i can see a guy wanting to do that to seem "hard" but a girl?!!! dosent seem right.

Welcome to my world. These are the sort of kids I deal with on a daily basis - you can see why we teach them online. When they start swearing we can and do shut them up by turning their microphione off remotely.

While boys generally are thought to be more likely to behave like this (and usually are), when the girls start they are often worse/more extreme.

Stimps · 11-10-2005, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan M

This is why i couldn't do a job that involved dealing with kids. I'd end up killing one of them...

Just one?

MikeF · 11-10-2005, 10:49

there not all bad!

i do agree with corpral punishment but then there is the problem of who administers it, i dont think teachers should be able to, maybe the local bobby, ohhhh i forgot we dont have them anymore!!!!!

This girl probably has some issues that need resolving and if they arent resolved will from the sounds of it end up just another waster leeching off our corrupt society.

***ncarring*** · 11-10-2005, 10:53

I'm very glad that my children have now finished school and seem to have come out at the other end as responsible adults, but maybe they would have anyway. I think children take their behavioural cues from their parents, and just carry those attitudes into school. As I say, it's a relief not to have to worry about possible bullying, drugs and potential criminal behaviour any more.

heresmo · 11-10-2005, 11:27

On soapbox. I personally think that peer pressure is phenomal now. If you watch a US high school programme, you'll get the idea.

Now, here in the UK, kids as soon as they can speak are demanding the appropriate designer gear. Looking cool, IMO, isn't the raison d'etre of the wayward wannabe leaders, it's a necessity for all kids all the time and most parents cannot keep up financially, so kids are often trying to maintain their status in their community, often impossibly, causing resentment.

Sitting pupils in a cubicle reading school rules all day is no better IMO than the "white noise" treatment meted out re Irish offenders.

Giving kids activities, preferably physical but artistic depending on the kid, would give them a chance at self esteem - i.e. "I might not be or have this, but I can do this..." Or just sit them in a booth all day and give them 7 hours to think up new disruptive plans.

Off soapbox.

Mo

JRHartley · 11-10-2005, 11:36

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Originally Posted by heresmo

Or just sit them in a booth all day and give them 7 hours to think up new disruptive plans.

Mo

or 7 hours electro-shock treatment , increased voltage for repeat offenders...

heresmo · 11-10-2005, 11:52

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Originally Posted by JRHartley

or 7 hours electro-shock treatment , increased voltage for repeat offenders...

TBH I think 7 hours of Vera Lynn or Cliff Richard would have greater effect, if we're going that route... Apparently some big department stores introduced such Musak into their doorways to deter "hanging around" and it worked a treat. This was a while back, so I doubt I could find a link.

OTOH you'd better start making notes methinks, cos yours will be in the thick of this morass before long

As Nick said (more or less), if they survive school, there's a chance they might survive in the big wide world.

When I'm a septuagenarian, they'll be in control

Mo

spinndrift · 11-10-2005, 12:06

I hear tales like this everyday from the wife.

There is simple no respect for the teachers anymore.

We got whacked in our day if we did anything bad and it stopped me from offending.

Okay I got it once.

JRHartley · 11-10-2005, 12:31

I remember our metalwork teacher chucking a ball-pein hammer at anyone who was ar5ing about during class .....can't see him doing it now though...

***ncarring*** · 11-10-2005, 12:33

That's one step up from bits of chalk and the board-rubber - imagine it would do wonders for the reflexes ...

Goochie · 11-10-2005, 12:35

This thread title really made me chuckle - given who started it.

Stimps · 11-10-2005, 12:37

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Originally Posted by heresmo

Apparently some big department stores introduced such Musak into their doorways to deter "hanging around" and it worked a treat.

They do a similar thing at a lot of train stations...

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From http://www.onerailway.com/latestinfo...ay.asp?id=765:
Harold Wood became the first station to test piped classical music as a deterrent to young people gathering at the station during the evening. Classical music is now played at over twenty stations and is successful as a deterrent.

10-10-2005, 21:59	#1
MissPiggy Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 7,190 Members Car: fabia 2 Thanks: 24 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Children of Today Was at work earlier with my mate, and one of the staff tells a girl to get out of the medical room because someone in there needed to be alone and quiet. this girl refused to move, so the staff member got another pupil over to try to get this girl out, she still wouldnt move, eventually she walked out of the medical room, but as the staff member was trying to shut the door the girl put her leg in it to stop it from being shut, the door was then shut and her leg was forced out so she decided to run around screaming. THEN she went over to a window in the dining room door, and started writing swear words all over it, then walked off. A minute later, she reappeared, and danced around singing yay i have been excluded. then she looked at me and my mate, asked if she could draw on the windows, we said no yet she still did. then saw her again later and she was writing swear words all over the white board in the main cloak room/hanging out room. This girl was in year 7,8 or 9. so would be between the ages of 12 and 14. why are they so proud to be excluded??! dosent make sense! anyway-rant over!!

10-10-2005, 22:08	#2
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,081 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 352 Times in 295 Posts	Nothing a good slap wouldn't sort out. Oh yeah, thats illegal nowadays! __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

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Alan M Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: North East UK, Gateshead Posts: 350 Members Car: Red 2005 Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is why i couldn't do a job that involved dealing with kids. I'd end up killing one of them... __________________ *Vorsprung DERV Technik*

10-10-2005, 22:23	#8
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,081 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 352 Times in 295 Posts	Must resist mis-quote, MUST resist! ARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHH! __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

10-10-2005, 22:29	#10
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,195 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 15 Thanked 336 Times in 290 Posts	A friend of mine did teacher training in Manchester and she would have been relieved if all the kids did was swear at her! A real eye opener! Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

11-10-2005, 06:22	#12
Gwilo Undercover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,687 Members Car: Rustwagon Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	i'm all for political correctness and human rights, but this is where the rot set in imo. children no longer respect the authority of, well, anyone really. treating a child as an equal flies against the education model of pedagogy - to be lead to knowledge, childfen inherently lack the discipline core to the adult model. however, being excluded is seen as a badge of how hard you are and, apparently, creates an image that some aspire to. was same in my day - how old! but no one would step out of line in my old science teachers class. ok, he couldn't lay a finger on us, but, as ex-army, he could bawl you out for england and devise suitably amusing (to him) punishments. top bloke. i loved him. and don't you dare jason __________________

11-10-2005, 07:22	#13
JRHartley Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North west Posts: 2,010 Members Car: Octavia 1.9 TDi Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts	Kids..........big cricket bat with studs in......nuff said........ __________________ I'm a celebrity...... Get me out of here !!!

11-10-2005, 10:49	#16
MikeF Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: north west uk (bury) Posts: 1,337 Members Car: Thanks: 54 Thanked 37 Times in 28 Posts	there not all bad! i do agree with corpral punishment but then there is the problem of who administers it, i dont think teachers should be able to, maybe the local bobby, ohhhh i forgot we dont have them anymore!!!!! This girl probably has some issues that need resolving and if they arent resolved will from the sounds of it end up just another waster leeching off our corrupt society.

11-10-2005, 10:53	#17
*ncarring* Don't talk, drive! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The B roads of Britain Posts: 12,953 Members Car: 1983 Porsche 928S / 1972 MGB GT Thanks: 16 Thanked 94 Times in 77 Posts	I'm very glad that my children have now finished school and seem to have come out at the other end as responsible adults, but maybe they would have anyway. I think children take their behavioural cues from their parents, and just carry those attitudes into school. As I say, it's a relief not to have to worry about possible bullying, drugs and potential criminal behaviour any more. __________________ Nick North Wiltshire RoADAR

11-10-2005, 11:27	#18
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,554 Members Car: Thanks: 50 Thanked 143 Times in 123 Posts	On soapbox. I personally think that peer pressure is phenomal now. If you watch a US high school programme, you'll get the idea. Now, here in the UK, kids as soon as they can speak are demanding the appropriate designer gear. Looking cool, IMO, isn't the raison d'etre of the wayward wannabe leaders, it's a necessity for all kids all the time and most parents cannot keep up financially, so kids are often trying to maintain their status in their community, often impossibly, causing resentment. Sitting pupils in a cubicle reading school rules all day is no better IMO than the "white noise" treatment meted out re Irish offenders. Giving kids activities, preferably physical but artistic depending on the kid, would give them a chance at self esteem - i.e. "I might not be or have this, but I can do this..." Or just sit them in a booth all day and give them 7 hours to think up new disruptive plans. Off soapbox. Mo

11-10-2005, 12:06	#21
spinndrift Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Woking/Bolton Le Sands Posts: 6,642 Members Car: Roomster Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	I hear tales like this everyday from the wife. There is simple no respect for the teachers anymore. We got whacked in our day if we did anything bad and it stopped me from offending. Okay I got it once. __________________ Rev. Andy The Rallying Reverend www.miniroadrunnerrallying.co.uk Engine data aquisition is fun

11-10-2005, 12:31	#22
JRHartley Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North west Posts: 2,010 Members Car: Octavia 1.9 TDi Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 13 Posts	I remember our metalwork teacher chucking a ball-pein hammer at anyone who was ar5ing about during class .....can't see him doing it now though... __________________ I'm a celebrity...... Get me out of here !!!

11-10-2005, 12:33	#23
*ncarring* Don't talk, drive! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The B roads of Britain Posts: 12,953 Members Car: 1983 Porsche 928S / 1972 MGB GT Thanks: 16 Thanked 94 Times in 77 Posts	That's one step up from bits of chalk and the board-rubber - imagine it would do wonders for the reflexes ... __________________ Nick North Wiltshire RoADAR

11-10-2005, 12:35	#24
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	This thread title really made me chuckle - given who started it.

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