Fuel Blockades

jonny boy · 26-04-2006, 09:59

How many of you think that's it's only time before this happens ?
£1 a litre is way too much and even with what's going on in the World, I think Fuel prices are extortion.

LouisTsui · 26-04-2006, 10:07

Is very expensive if compare with other countries. But still cheaper than alcohol, or a cup of tea/coffee at cafe. I know it is wrong thinking, but I keep this in my mind every time I fuel my Fabia up.

**TaviaRS** · 26-04-2006, 10:14

I've voted.

Yes, I think it is too expensive but hey; it keeps poor people off the roads

ScoobyChris · 26-04-2006, 10:15

It's very expensive, but fuel blockades don't really seem to be the answer - yes, they work for a little while, but then prices rocket up again. Time to think about emmigrating again

Chris

jonny boy · 26-04-2006, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

I've voted.

Yes, I think it is too expensive but hey; it keeps poor people off the roads

wonder which way you voted then ?

**TaviaRS** · 26-04-2006, 10:19

Not telling

If it makes it easier for me to waft along at 110mph on my way to count my money, sorry, go to work, then I'm all for higher prices

**mannyo** · 26-04-2006, 10:25

All across europe the prices have risen, just the same as here. But, now due to the crappy £ > € exchange rate the fuel in some countries is more expensive than here.

Belgium and Germany are way over £1 a litre and were 2 weeks ago when I was there. Eire, France and Spain are running at about the same level as us here in the UK.

I paid after conversion £62 to fill up the mondeo at the Ed petrol station next to the nurburgring. In comparison I filled the same car up this morning at the Esso garage near watford and it was £55 for the same amount of juice.

Goochie · 26-04-2006, 10:29

I have an Octavia that averages less than 30MPG and have a thirsty V6 on the way

If you consider the actual monthly increase its not really all that bad. I could save money by using supermarket fuel not BP Ultimate - but I choose not to.

Big fuss over nothing. If your mileage is high enough to worry about it, you need to a)get your employer to pay for it b)get a new job c)move house.

jonny boy · 26-04-2006, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

IBig fuss over nothing. If your mileage is high enough to worry about it, you need to a)get your employer to pay for it b)get a new job c)move house.

Eh ?

KABOOM · 26-04-2006, 10:36

Quote:

Yes, I think it is too expensive but hey; it keeps poor people off the roads

Aye whatever!

All it does is make people get smaller cars with better FC that go an eye batterin 60mph top speed or a scooter wi about 100mpg and fill the roads up wi them.

**TaviaRS** · 26-04-2006, 10:37

Quite right Phil!

As Lord Tebbit once said, "Get on your bike"

Quite right too!

I think the poor should all be made to hand their cars in to the government and be issued with bikes.

Think of it as a kindness, they'll have more money due to not having to pay for fuel, tax and insurance, they will be fitter due to having to cycle everywhere, there will be less crime as they'll be so tired after cycling 50 miles each way to work. The NHS will have more money as people will be fitter and healthier which in turn means us "richies" will pay less tax.

Job's a good 'un

devonutopia · 26-04-2006, 10:43

Its too expensive, but then I get 50mpg+ so don't really mind compared to some cars I've driven.

Jag XJR 4.0 litre rings a bell.

It will all die down soon enough - I don't think Iran is a real threat, so in the end common sense should prevail and the oil markets should calm down and we'll hopefully be back to low 90s pence a litre again.

WW_VRS · 26-04-2006, 11:10

I voted it's too expensive.

Fuel blockades however will only make it more expensive & there are a lot of instable countries that are the source of fuel which means a lot of bribery and risk etc - this cost gets passed on to the consumer (plus markup, v true).

I'd care even if I was loaded, but that's the way it is unfortunately.

**TaviaRS** · 26-04-2006, 11:13

The thing is people assume that driving is a right and not a priviledge; that it is an essential and not a luxury. It is neither of the former options.

lozgti · 26-04-2006, 11:21

We live in a time where everyone has a car or three and fifty credit cards to shop for petrol and groceries with.People don't think money is real anyway

In fact,apart from the teasing Jon

the poorest people seem to have 'bought' all the Beemers and 3.5 litre Shoguns.

Anyway,I don't pay and given up caring.Only get miffed when everyone panic buys

**TaviaRS** · 26-04-2006, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by lozgti

We live in a time where everyone has a car or three and fifty credit cards to shop for petrol and groceries with.People don't think money is real anyway

the poorest people seem to have 'bought' all the Beemers and 3.5 litre Shoguns.

So my idea about giving the poor bicycles in exchange for their cars would also reduce the national debt? And reduce pollution / greenhouse gases? Excellent! I should have been a politician

lfc958 · 26-04-2006, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

I think the poor should all be made to hand their cars in to the government and be issued with bikes.

Think of it as a kindness, they'll have more money due to not having to pay for fuel, tax and insurance, they will be fitter due to having to cycle everywhere, there will be less crime as they'll be so tired after cycling 50 miles each way to work. The NHS will have more money as people will be fitter and healthier which in turn means us "richies" will pay less tax.

Job's a good 'un

Tavia - I thought that the poor didnt pay tax & insurance on thier cars anyway

. look at the number of deaths reported in the news around drivers killing people, who do not have Tax & Insurance, then get 30 days community service

I personally subscribe to the idea of :-

1) No road tax
2) No new car tax
3) No road charges
4) Price ALL fuel £2.00 per liter.
5) The tax on fuel ACTUALY goes to maintain the roads. ( & is NOT put in the general pot , where it currently goes)

Then those that use the road and " Pile the Miles" pay for it.

Extreme or what

**TaviaRS** · 26-04-2006, 11:39

Sounds eminently sensible to me

but I reckon £2.50 would be a fairer charge

bengie · 26-04-2006, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by lfc958

Tavia - I thought that the poor didnt pay tax & insurance on thier cars anyway

. look at the number of deaths reported in the news around drivers killing people, who do not have Tax & Insurance, then get 30 days community service

I personally subscribe to the idea of :-

1) No road tax
2) No new car tax
3) No road charges
4) Price ALL fuel £2.00 per liter.
5) The tax on fuel ACTUALY goes to maintain the roads. ( & is NOT put in the general pot , where it currently goes)

Then those that use the road and " Pile the Miles" pay for it.

Extreme or what

sounds the most sensible choice, those who drive more pay more

ScoobyChris · 26-04-2006, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lfc958

4) Price ALL fuel £2.00 per liter.

And the knock on effect will be hauliers will pass this cost on to the shops who will then pass it on to the consumers and the cost of living will skyrocket

Chris

steviec · 26-04-2006, 12:28

Lets face it Fuel is NOT too expensive, it is fairly cheap. Its the tax the governement puts on it that makes Fuel expensive, now if they cut the tax on fuel instead of keep creeping it up we'd all be better off.

Dr Zoidberg · 26-04-2006, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by steviec

Lets face it Fuel is NOT too expensive, it is fairly cheap. Its the tax the governement puts on it that makes Fuel expensive, now if they cut the tax on fuel instead of keep creeping it up we'd all be better off.

As was pointed out last time round , the tax hasn't been increased for ages and if you wanted it cut then the money would have to be made up elsewhere.

The rises since it was 80ish p a litre are all down to oil rising from about $20 a barrel to $75

As an abstract question , yes of course I would like cheaper fuel but there is no prospect of this happening any time soon and blockades would not have any effect on prices other than to cause huge inconvenience for people who need their fuel every day

jonny boy · 26-04-2006, 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaviaRS

So my idea about giving the poor bicycles in exchange for their cars would also reduce the national debt? And reduce pollution / greenhouse gases? Excellent! I should have been a politician

Considering some of your silly comments, yeah, you should have been a Politician.
Then you would have had some well aimed eggs coming your way.

Goochie · 26-04-2006, 14:13

Is the tax of petrol etc. a percentage or a fixed rate per litre ? The government could save some face if it were the latter but if it's a percentage they can hardly say the recent rises are nothing to do with them.

The idea of no tax and higher fuel prices works well on jersey - where hauliers costs are minimal and they dont have meny roads. But as Chris says its not really viable here.

Personally if petrol doubled in price I'd still drive and still take the 350Z

I'd just find somewhere else to save £100 a month (probably buy my sausages from Aldi and not Sainsburys

)

Dr Zoidberg · 26-04-2006, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

Is the tax of petrol etc. a percentage or a fixed rate per litre ? The government could save some face if it were the latter but if it's a percentage they can hardly say the recent rises are nothing to do with them.

It's mostly duty which is a fixed sum per litre.
There is also VAT , so if the cost of the fuel goes up then they do end up taking slightly more in VAT.

Thats only a small amount though - 2p a litre difference between fuel sold at 80p or 95p and is not down to them "putting up prices".

The same thing applies to any VAT rated goods. If the price goes up then the government will collect more tax but thats not due to them "putting up the cost of <product>"

View Poll Results: Is Fuel too expensive ?
Yes	68	85.00%
No	2	2.50%
Doesn't affect me, I don't pay	2	2.50%
I don't care, I'm loaded	8	10.00%
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26-04-2006, 09:59	#1
jonny boy Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2,042 Members Car: Fabia vRS/ Xenons/ Cruise/ Heated seats/ Side airbags/ 3rd headrest. Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Fuel Blockades How many of you think that's it's only time before this happens ? £1 a litre is way too much and even with what's going on in the World, I think Fuel prices are extortion. __________________ Jon.

26-04-2006, 10:07	#2
LouisTsui Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colchester Posts: 288 Members Car: Fabia 1.4 Comfort, green, no allory wheel >.< Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Is very expensive if compare with other countries. But still cheaper than alcohol, or a cup of tea/coffee at cafe. I know it is wrong thinking, but I keep this in my mind every time I fuel my Fabia up. __________________ I try very hard not to curb my alloys...

26-04-2006, 10:14	#3
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades I've voted. Yes, I think it is too expensive but hey; it keeps poor people off the roads __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

26-04-2006, 10:15	#4
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,195 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 15 Thanked 336 Times in 290 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades It's very expensive, but fuel blockades don't really seem to be the answer - yes, they work for a little while, but then prices rocket up again. Time to think about emmigrating again Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

26-04-2006, 10:19	#6
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Not telling If it makes it easier for me to waft along at 110mph on my way to count my money, sorry, go to work, then I'm all for higher prices __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

26-04-2006, 10:25	#7
mannyo BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Stevenage Herts. Posts: 11,467 Members Car: Octavia 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 58 Thanked 359 Times in 330 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades All across europe the prices have risen, just the same as here. But, now due to the crappy £ > € exchange rate the fuel in some countries is more expensive than here. Belgium and Germany are way over £1 a litre and were 2 weeks ago when I was there. Eire, France and Spain are running at about the same level as us here in the UK. I paid after conversion £62 to fill up the mondeo at the Ed petrol station next to the nurburgring. In comparison I filled the same car up this morning at the Esso garage near watford and it was £55 for the same amount of juice. __________________ Manny 2005 Octavia 2.0TDi Elegance combi my skoda website http://www.octaviars.co.uk Join the briskoda.net folding team click Here for more info

26-04-2006, 10:29	#8
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades I have an Octavia that averages less than 30MPG and have a thirsty V6 on the way If you consider the actual monthly increase its not really all that bad. I could save money by using supermarket fuel not BP Ultimate - but I choose not to. Big fuss over nothing. If your mileage is high enough to worry about it, you need to a)get your employer to pay for it b)get a new job c)move house.

26-04-2006, 10:37	#11
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Quite right Phil! As Lord Tebbit once said, "Get on your bike" Quite right too! I think the poor should all be made to hand their cars in to the government and be issued with bikes. Think of it as a kindness, they'll have more money due to not having to pay for fuel, tax and insurance, they will be fitter due to having to cycle everywhere, there will be less crime as they'll be so tired after cycling 50 miles each way to work. The NHS will have more money as people will be fitter and healthier which in turn means us "richies" will pay less tax. Job's a good 'un __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

26-04-2006, 10:43	#12
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Exeter / Devon Posts: 30,081 Members Car: Skoda Fabia Mongrel Images: 5 Thanks: 75 Thanked 352 Times in 295 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Its too expensive, but then I get 50mpg+ so don't really mind compared to some cars I've driven. Jag XJR 4.0 litre rings a bell. It will all die down soon enough - I don't think Iran is a real threat, so in the end common sense should prevail and the oil markets should calm down and we'll hopefully be back to low 90s pence a litre again. __________________ Jason - Only a Skoda. Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. Cheesy bonnet lifter video to "raise me up" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnGECEi5Oc See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

26-04-2006, 11:10	#13
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,864 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades I voted it's too expensive. Fuel blockades however will only make it more expensive & there are a lot of instable countries that are the source of fuel which means a lot of bribery and risk etc - this cost gets passed on to the consumer (plus markup, v true). I'd care even if I was loaded, but that's the way it is unfortunately. __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

26-04-2006, 11:13	#14
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades The thing is people assume that driving is a right and not a priviledge; that it is an essential and not a luxury. It is neither of the former options. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

26-04-2006, 11:21	#15
lozgti Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: midlands Posts: 5,719 Members Car: Thanks: 10 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades We live in a time where everyone has a car or three and fifty credit cards to shop for petrol and groceries with.People don't think money is real anyway In fact,apart from the teasing Jon the poorest people seem to have 'bought' all the Beemers and 3.5 litre Shoguns. Anyway,I don't pay and given up caring.Only get miffed when everyone panic buys

26-04-2006, 11:39	#18
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Sounds eminently sensible to me but I reckon £2.50 would be a fairer charge __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

26-04-2006, 12:28	#21
steviec Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 753 Members Car: Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0 FSI Thanks: 10 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Lets face it Fuel is NOT too expensive, it is fairly cheap. Its the tax the governement puts on it that makes Fuel expensive, now if they cut the tax on fuel instead of keep creeping it up we'd all be better off. __________________ Cheers Steve Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0T FSI - Black Magic, 18" Alloys, Dual Zone Climate Control, Jumbo Box, Rear Electric Windows, Xenon Headlights, MaxiDot, Light Assist, Front & Rear Parking Sensors, Rain Sensing Wipers & Dipping Rear View Mirror. Pentagon SupaGlass in Midnight, Parrot 3400LS GPS Bluetooth Car Kit.

26-04-2006, 14:13	#24
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Fuel Blockades Is the tax of petrol etc. a percentage or a fixed rate per litre ? The government could save some face if it were the latter but if it's a percentage they can hardly say the recent rises are nothing to do with them. The idea of no tax and higher fuel prices works well on jersey - where hauliers costs are minimal and they dont have meny roads. But as Chris says its not really viable here. Personally if petrol doubled in price I'd still drive and still take the 350Z I'd just find somewhere else to save £100 a month (probably buy my sausages from Aldi and not Sainsburys )

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