Important home security warning.

Goochie · 21-08-2006, 12:29

Found this on Scoobynet and thought it should be known by as many as possible.

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/fao-those-upvc-t537518.html

heresmo · 22-08-2006, 12:05

It was a common problem with double glazing, especially for UPVC, as some of the construction was on the outside, so it was simply de-constructed. Whilst known, it's a reason for ensuring windows are fitted by a reputable company, both to have confidence and also to ensure that an odd construction item is not accidentally left out, since much fitting, even by big companies, is subcontracted.

I think multi-point locking systems give a false sense of security, personally. I reckon they are probably more to prevent warping, when you think that they all run off a central lock - so if that is compromised...

Patio doors can be a weakness (as a friend discovered, though the insurance did pay out). He had an "anti-slide mod" fitted albeit after the horse had bolted.

As said on Scoobynet, windows make for easier access, given that any space wide enough for a human head to go through is sufficient to get a whole person through! (Often a small kiddie accomplice in the progs I've seen.)

FWIW I've locked myself out of different properties so many times to know how easy it is to get in. Luckily, I've never had owt worth marketing on the nicked market (sobs).

Regards
Mo

PS For Goochie: For some reason I had to register on Scoobynet to gain access to that thread

If I didn't know better, I'd think it was just a ruse to get me join

Regards, Mo

Octygone · 22-08-2006, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

Found this on Scoobynet and thought it should be known by as many as possible.

http://bbs.scoobynet.com/fao-those-upvc-t537518.html

Oh sod it

Only thing I can do is fit bolts on the inside for now...and hope the lock people come up with a way to stop it

Goochie · 22-08-2006, 12:20

Apparently the technique has been known to "the lock people" for years. The problem is that the internet is bringing this knowledge to everyone

Octygone · 22-08-2006, 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

Apparently the technique has been known to "the lock people" for years. The problem is that the internet is bringing this knowledge to everyone

Just figured it out .....bolts on the inside of the front door and go out through the back door which has a normal 5 lever chubb lock ...my double glazing is fitted from inside so they can't take the glass out to get in......just can't fit an alarm as the cat would set it off

Goochie · 22-08-2006, 12:28

You can get an alarm if you have a cat. You just need pet sensitive PIR sensors.

We have changed our PIR's to pet sensitive and they're fine with our medium sized dog - so a cat should be fine.

heresmo · 22-08-2006, 12:32

Not sure about that Goochie (edit, referring to your post no.4). I did a few searches after the last time I locked myself out thinking (as you did re batchrooms) that it was easy money. There's so much available on the Net, that anyone with a purpose wouldn't need to look far.

It never hurts to know how vulnerable one is, so it's no bad thing IMO. Plus it reminds people to review their insurance, as some policies are conditional on keeping the main house keys in the main sleeping room!, and all windows have to be closed and locked throughout the house at night etc. There was a case of insurance not being paid because an upstairs window was left open (invalidating the insurance) even though it was clear that the burglars had entered via the back door.

Regards
Mo

150HP&counting · 22-08-2006, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goochie

You can get an alarm if you have a cat. You just need pet sensitive PIR sensors.

We have changed our PIR's to pet sensitive and they're fine with our medium sized dog - so a cat should be fine.

I think most of the pet sensitive pirs allow for pets upto around the 20-25Kg weight - unfortunately my liitle

germ shep dont fit those limits

and generally she is enough of an alarm for most burglers

postmanpat · 22-08-2006, 13:49

Glad we swapped the upvc for an old fashioned wood door with a mortice lock. That is truly scary.

johnjohnhealy · 22-08-2006, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by 150HP&counting

I think most of the pet sensitive pirs allow for pets upto around the 20-25Kg weight - unfortunately my liitle

germ shep dont fit those limits

and generally she is enough of an alarm for most burglers

Pet sensitive PIR's are available for almost any size dog, basically all they are is a normal PIR with a different lense in them that cuts the beam of at a certain hight depending on the size of animal, therefore theoreticaly if a burglar suspected you had pet sensitive PIR's he could crawl underneath the beam, mission impossible style!

Only problem with pet sensitive PIR's and cats is that cats climb around and are likely to cimb into the detected zone. whereas dogs dont generaly climb.

Goochie · 22-08-2006, 15:15

We were told differently. The PIR is triggered by IR given off by objects. The pet filter filters more IR making it less sensitive.

Trouble is that if you have a big dog there is littl edifference between the dog and a teenage oik. Hence the 25kg limit on dog size.

21-08-2006, 12:29	#1
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Important home security warning. Found this on Scoobynet and thought it should be known by as many as possible. http://bbs.scoobynet.com/fao-those-upvc-t537518.html

22-08-2006, 12:05	#2
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,554 Members Car: Thanks: 50 Thanked 143 Times in 123 Posts	Re: Important home security warning. It was a common problem with double glazing, especially for UPVC, as some of the construction was on the outside, so it was simply de-constructed. Whilst known, it's a reason for ensuring windows are fitted by a reputable company, both to have confidence and also to ensure that an odd construction item is not accidentally left out, since much fitting, even by big companies, is subcontracted. I think multi-point locking systems give a false sense of security, personally. I reckon they are probably more to prevent warping, when you think that they all run off a central lock - so if that is compromised... Patio doors can be a weakness (as a friend discovered, though the insurance did pay out). He had an "anti-slide mod" fitted albeit after the horse had bolted. As said on Scoobynet, windows make for easier access, given that any space wide enough for a human head to go through is sufficient to get a whole person through! (Often a small kiddie accomplice in the progs I've seen.) FWIW I've locked myself out of different properties so many times to know how easy it is to get in. Luckily, I've never had owt worth marketing on the nicked market (sobs). Regards Mo PS For Goochie: For some reason I had to register on Scoobynet to gain access to that thread If I didn't know better, I'd think it was just a ruse to get me join Regards, Mo __________________

22-08-2006, 12:20	#4
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Important home security warning. Apparently the technique has been known to "the lock people" for years. The problem is that the internet is bringing this knowledge to everyone

22-08-2006, 12:28	#6
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Important home security warning. You can get an alarm if you have a cat. You just need pet sensitive PIR sensors. We have changed our PIR's to pet sensitive and they're fine with our medium sized dog - so a cat should be fine.

22-08-2006, 12:32	#7
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,554 Members Car: Thanks: 50 Thanked 143 Times in 123 Posts	Re: Important home security warning. Not sure about that Goochie (edit, referring to your post no.4). I did a few searches after the last time I locked myself out thinking (as you did re batchrooms) that it was easy money. There's so much available on the Net, that anyone with a purpose wouldn't need to look far. It never hurts to know how vulnerable one is, so it's no bad thing IMO. Plus it reminds people to review their insurance, as some policies are conditional on keeping the main house keys in the main sleeping room!, and all windows have to be closed and locked throughout the house at night etc. There was a case of insurance not being paid because an upstairs window was left open (invalidating the insurance) even though it was clear that the burglars had entered via the back door. Regards Mo __________________ Last edited by heresmo; 22-08-2006 at 12:33.

22-08-2006, 15:15	#11
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Important home security warning. We were told differently. The PIR is triggered by IR given off by objects. The pet filter filters more IR making it less sensitive. Trouble is that if you have a big dog there is littl edifference between the dog and a teenage oik. Hence the 25kg limit on dog size.

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