LED bike lights?

steve0275 · 31-01-2007, 10:51

Anyone got any experience of LED bike lights and how the output compares to filament lamps? I'm just after a set for road riding, mainly so that i can be seen rather than illuminating the whole road, just so that i can get in some pratice on these dark evenings.

i'm considering these 2 as they seem to be rated well.

Clicky

and clicky

Ta!

Goochie · 31-01-2007, 11:11

I actually have the second one fitted on my bike.

The output is great but one thing I do find is that it gives a bright spot of light with no peripherial lighting. This means you do tend to get a bright spot with defined edges at which it becomes very dark.

I tend to have mine aimed a fair distance in front to aid fast riding but this means I get a black spot between the pool of light and my wheel.

If I used my bike on anything other than paved cycle routes and a canal towpath I'd look at getting another, set slightly differently, to fill this black spot.

The rear one is great!

ap0gee · 31-01-2007, 11:11

LEDs are much better in terms of visibility to stop you getting run over, but their beam pattern is pretty narrow so they aren't ideal as actual headlights. Then again, you mention you'll be road riding (on lit roads, presumably) in which case this won't be an issue...

I saw a cyclist the other day with a hi-vis bib, that as well as having reflective bands and braces also had red LEDs on front and back. Might be worth considering if you're planning to ride on busy roads? (Sure, you'll look a bit of a t1t, but at least it'll help prevent you being run over!

)

steve0275 · 31-01-2007, 11:57

I thought as much, my experience of LED torches seemed to suggest that it would be a more focused beam of light. As i said its only for road riding on lit roads so should be fine, and i would seriously consider a high vis bib aswell, dont care if i look a t!t so long as i dont get myself mashed by a car!

anyone remember this?

YouTube - Pedal Safety Song 1978

Goochie · 31-01-2007, 12:09

One other this that I do is to mount the rear light on the frame rather than the seatpost.

I started doing this after following a cyclist who's coat was hanging down below the seat and obscuring the rear light.

Some front and rear lights can be make to flash/strobe quickly to help point you out to drivers.

heresmo · 31-01-2007, 12:13

If it's not a stupid question, is there any reason why it's "either" "or" rather than both? Can't you have lots of lights? Meaning those that will light the road for you and those that allow you to be seen by car drivers? Plus vest straps, spoke fluorescent flashers, those led lights on the back of pedals etc. Get the whole lot as far as I'm concerned.

That's not a rant, just that cyclists (and pedestrians dressed in black) are the stuff that nightmares are made from when you only just miss them because you ain't got a cat in hell's chance of seeing them till you have to swerve dramatically and possibly cause an accident by doing that.

*Has little lie down*

Mo

Goochie · 31-01-2007, 12:20

Mo, as I said above, if I needed to cycle anywhere darker I woul dget another light for the front. However, at £50 a pop its a lot of money to be spending.

I do have a second set of older filament type lights in the rucksack I have with me that I can fit if I find my LED lamps are stolen/dead when I come to ride.

In the winter I wear a rather tasty pair of bright yellow high-vis trousers too. Mainly to stop my wrok trousers getting wet/muddy but they are very bright and have reflective bands around them too.

As a motorist and a cyclist I've had my eyes opened to poor cyclists. When I was in my teens I used to go everywher eon my bike and I now look back and realise just how stupid some of the things I did were - I think its important to use motoring experience when on a bicylce - it could save your life.

Being seen by others is far more important than essing where you're going.

*Goes for a drink* the shock of saying something sensible is just too much to cope with

storm monkey · 31-01-2007, 12:21

Take a look at these little things:-

Glo-Toob

They are extremely bright, easy to use, and could easily be attached to a bike for the rear/front marker light, and they will be visible from all angles too, so will increase side on visibility. I use one for scuba diving at night, and SWIMBO has a red and a white for her horse. There are 7 flash/glow modes, and it'll last for about 50-80 hours on a single battery. Replacement batteries are available from Tescos for about £1.20 each.

Phil

heresmo · 31-01-2007, 14:18

Goochie, I was actually replying to the OP post - it just happened to follow yours in sequence.

There is much info being put forward in this thread both from yourself and all the other posts arriving about keeping cyclists safe

I sometimes get out of my car and tell cyclists that they can't be seen. Usually, when I pull up in front of them they think I'm going to mug them or something so I've stopped doing that now LOL.

Any info and emphasis on common sense is 110% by me

Regards
Mo

kit · 31-01-2007, 14:42

i have one attached on my staffies collar when she goes out at night

....can see her miles away

K

Kentish · 31-01-2007, 20:23

I used to run 2x 10w halogen Cateyes, one flood one spot. Also 1 or 2 light "cannons" which were multy LED lights, all of this at the front. On the rear,3 LED lights. All the LED lights (both front and back) were set to flashing. This prolongs the battery life, and makes it much easier to see you.

If it's cost you're concerened about, what price brain damage or broken limb after being moan down by a motor or some sort?.

Sonic1980 · 31-01-2007, 20:28

I got the LED set from Halfords ( a winter special @ £20) and its brilliant for my 4mile cycle commute.

I think you need 2 rear lights, one static and one strobe and one or two for the front. The combination of static and flashing is nigh on impossible to miss.

hth

monkeychild · 31-01-2007, 22:13

I have these and they are ace!!! Merlin Cycles Ltd Blackburn Lights (bottom of the page)

They are good as you get seen from the side too!!!!

jason · 31-01-2007, 23:28

http://campusbikeshop.com/images/lib...l300s_04_m.jpg
thats my front,pretty good for a "cheap" light.
is it not true that flashing lights are illegal ?even though its not exactly enforced?
a mate at work who i bike with has just bought some HID lights for hundreds of pounds.
he says he's been flashed by cars.

this is my rear:
http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/store/li...s/t_ld1000.jpg
has 6 rear and 4 sidewards facing led.award winning iirc

steve0275 · 01-02-2007, 09:26

ok, been having a look round and am now considering a set of these Electron Light System EHP315 Twin 5w-10W NiWH Lights - Front 49.99 GBP Free P & P to UK & Ireland, Cheap International Rates. Next day delivery from Europes Largest Online Bikeshop. with some better bulbs.

and a couple of decent led rears.

heresmo · 01-02-2007, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason

http://campusbikeshop.com/images/lib...l300s_04_m.jpg
thats my front,pretty good for a "cheap" light.
is it not true that flashing lights are illegal ?even though its not exactly enforced?
a mate at work who i bike with has just bought some HID lights for hundreds of pounds.
he says he's been flashed by cars.

this is my rear:
http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/store/li...s/t_ld1000.jpg
has 6 rear and 4 sidewards facing led.award winning iirc

[my bold] This was discussed here, starting from around post # 20-ish:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/off-t...cycle+flashing

Mo

vindaloo · 01-02-2007, 18:15

IMO you need a combination effect. Something to splash a lot of ambience around and something to pin-point your position.

As a driver, LED's are great once you're aware of them but they're a small point source and normally don't work wide angles very well. Combined with the current fad for smaller, lighter, brighter lights means the only other clue is if the bike's rear reflector is visible.

J.

storm monkey · 01-02-2007, 18:38

3 little red LED's on tha back of a bike are a real pain to spot, particularly in traffic, where there are larger brighter red lights around. The silver reflective tape you get on hi vis jackets is by far the most noticable, when you shed a little light on it.

Did see a front bike light once where there was the main light on the road, and a small bulb or LED directed at the rider, so there whole torso was lit up. Very easy to spot!

Phil

Octygone · 01-02-2007, 18:43

I have a feeling the flashing LEDs are illegal for road use

drm_jones · 01-02-2007, 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeychild

I have these and they are ace!!! Merlin Cycles Ltd Blackburn Lights (bottom of the page)

They are good as you get seen from the side too!!!!

I have one of the Blackburn quadrant lights on my bike - they are very good. It has 3 mode settings:

1) All LEDs on
2) 2 main LEDs on, 2 side LEDs flashing
3) All LEDs flashing

A few mates have them as well and they give them a big thumbs up

Excellent value for money and good battery life as well

vindaloo · 01-02-2007, 23:19

Not so long ago, all LEDs were technically illegal if the legislation was interpreted in a certain way.

ISTR that the flasher stuff may not be illegal now... or by summer at any rate... There's an amendment up...

Can't possibly be any more vague than that so I'll be off then....

J.

ap0gee · 01-02-2007, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octygone

I have a feeling the flashing LEDs are illegal for road use

The last newsletter I got from the Cyclists' Touring Club (no longer a member - spare tyre may or may not be related to this!) had a bit about how they'd successfully lobbied for the law to be changed, so that they're now (or soon will be legal). I certainly very much doubt you'd be pulled over for having them...

Octygone · 02-02-2007, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ap0gee

The last newsletter I got from the Cyclists' Touring Club (no longer a member - spare tyre may or may not be related to this!) had a bit about how they'd successfully lobbied for the law to be changed, so that they're now (or soon will be legal). I certainly very much doubt you'd be pulled over for having them...

Don't get me wrong I would much sooner see any kind of light on bikes around here as most of them seem to think it's fun to ride ride along or cross roads in front of you with no lights at all.........but unless those led lights point in the right direction they are very difficult to see due to the narrow angle of them.

DaveH · 02-02-2007, 10:19

Have you looked at Silva head torches, particularly the L1? I've started night riding this year around Wharncliffe Woods so have been messing around with bike lights recently.

Being tight with my money and happy to modify, I've ended up with twin electron lights but with 2 x Cateye 15w spot bulbs running off two 7.2V model car batteries. They're more than a match for the Lumicycle 10/12W setup (piccys available of them in action on the Lumicycle website).

However, I've also bought a Silva L1 head torch for ~£50. Personally i can't see quite as well with the LED blue/white light compared to the yellow/white light of Halogen but its very similar in 'reach' and output to a 10/15w halogen bulb. Though you wouldn't want to go too quickly, you could safely cycle at normal speed with it in complete darkeness without a problem. It'll run of 4xAA mounted on your head or 4xC which you put in your bag.

The combination of 1 of my 'over-volted' cateye 15W halogens with the Silva in flashing mode actually brings most drivers coming in the opposite direction to crawling place. Maybe its a wee bit dangerous (funny though!) but i only do short sections of back roads to join up the off road bits. Being a head torch you can also use it for other things too.

steve0275 · 02-02-2007, 10:44

Thanks for the reply dave,

I was looking at the electron 5w/10w combo but after seeing bad reviews for the build quality i am now looking at the BLT metrino 15, same thing but build seems to be regarded better.

BLT Metrino 15 - Halogen Lights - Front 49.99 GBP Free P & P to UK & Ireland, Cheap International Rates. Next day delivery from Europes Largest Online Bikeshop.

The GF has kindly offered to buy me these as a birthday pressie!

I will no doubt upgrade the bulbs and batteries at some point.

On top of this i am going to invest in some decent rear lights and high vis reflectives for road riding.

If i get to off roading in the dark then i will seriously consider a head torch as i have heard nothing but praise for them! Need to build up the fitness a bit first methinks!

Cheers

Steve.

31-01-2007, 10:51	#1
steve0275 slacker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maybe I'm in hell, maybe I'm alone But I can deal with this, at least I feel at home. Posts: 214 Members Car: Pug 306 xsi, Fabia VRS Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	LED bike lights? Anyone got any experience of LED bike lights and how the output compares to filament lamps? I'm just after a set for road riding, mainly so that i can be seen rather than illuminating the whole road, just so that i can get in some pratice on these dark evenings. i'm considering these 2 as they seem to be rated well. Clicky and clicky Ta! __________________ 06 black magic furby vRS, slower than a mustang.

31-01-2007, 11:11	#2
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? I actually have the second one fitted on my bike. The output is great but one thing I do find is that it gives a bright spot of light with no peripherial lighting. This means you do tend to get a bright spot with defined edges at which it becomes very dark. I tend to have mine aimed a fair distance in front to aid fast riding but this means I get a black spot between the pool of light and my wheel. If I used my bike on anything other than paved cycle routes and a canal towpath I'd look at getting another, set slightly differently, to fill this black spot. The rear one is great!

31-01-2007, 11:11	#3
ap0gee ASZ Eternal Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Leafy Chesh-shire Posts: 6,862 Members Car: Black Magic Fabia vRS Thanks: 346 Thanked 366 Times in 317 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? LEDs are much better in terms of visibility to stop you getting run over, but their beam pattern is pretty narrow so they aren't ideal as actual headlights. Then again, you mention you'll be road riding (on lit roads, presumably) in which case this won't be an issue... I saw a cyclist the other day with a hi-vis bib, that as well as having reflective bands and braces also had red LEDs on front and back. Might be worth considering if you're planning to ride on busy roads? (Sure, you'll look a bit of a t1t, but at least it'll help prevent you being run over! ) __________________

31-01-2007, 11:57	#4
steve0275 slacker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maybe I'm in hell, maybe I'm alone But I can deal with this, at least I feel at home. Posts: 214 Members Car: Pug 306 xsi, Fabia VRS Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: LED bike lights? I thought as much, my experience of LED torches seemed to suggest that it would be a more focused beam of light. As i said its only for road riding on lit roads so should be fine, and i would seriously consider a high vis bib aswell, dont care if i look a t!t so long as i dont get myself mashed by a car! anyone remember this? YouTube - Pedal Safety Song 1978 __________________ 06 black magic furby vRS, slower than a mustang.

31-01-2007, 12:09	#5
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? One other this that I do is to mount the rear light on the frame rather than the seatpost. I started doing this after following a cyclist who's coat was hanging down below the seat and obscuring the rear light. Some front and rear lights can be make to flash/strobe quickly to help point you out to drivers.

31-01-2007, 12:13	#6
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,554 Members Car: Thanks: 50 Thanked 143 Times in 123 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? If it's not a stupid question, is there any reason why it's "either" "or" rather than both? Can't you have lots of lights? Meaning those that will light the road for you and those that allow you to be seen by car drivers? Plus vest straps, spoke fluorescent flashers, those led lights on the back of pedals etc. Get the whole lot as far as I'm concerned. That's not a rant, just that cyclists (and pedestrians dressed in black) are the stuff that nightmares are made from when you only just miss them because you ain't got a cat in hell's chance of seeing them till you have to swerve dramatically and possibly cause an accident by doing that. Has little lie down Mo __________________

31-01-2007, 12:20	#7
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,363 Members Car: Thanks: 7 Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? Mo, as I said above, if I needed to cycle anywhere darker I woul dget another light for the front. However, at £50 a pop its a lot of money to be spending. I do have a second set of older filament type lights in the rucksack I have with me that I can fit if I find my LED lamps are stolen/dead when I come to ride. In the winter I wear a rather tasty pair of bright yellow high-vis trousers too. Mainly to stop my wrok trousers getting wet/muddy but they are very bright and have reflective bands around them too. As a motorist and a cyclist I've had my eyes opened to poor cyclists. When I was in my teens I used to go everywher eon my bike and I now look back and realise just how stupid some of the things I did were - I think its important to use motoring experience when on a bicylce - it could save your life. Being seen by others is far more important than essing where you're going. Goes for a drink the shock of saying something sensible is just too much to cope with

31-01-2007, 12:21	#8
storm monkey Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North West Cumbria Posts: 311 Members Car: VW Corrado Storm Thanks: 6 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? Take a look at these little things:- Glo-Toob They are extremely bright, easy to use, and could easily be attached to a bike for the rear/front marker light, and they will be visible from all angles too, so will increase side on visibility. I use one for scuba diving at night, and SWIMBO has a red and a white for her horse. There are 7 flash/glow modes, and it'll last for about 50-80 hours on a single battery. Replacement batteries are available from Tescos for about £1.20 each. Phil __________________ My Car - 2.0 TDI Octavia L&K My Toy - 95 Corrado VR6 STORM SWMBO's - 55 Navara

31-01-2007, 14:18	#9
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,554 Members Car: Thanks: 50 Thanked 143 Times in 123 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? Goochie, I was actually replying to the OP post - it just happened to follow yours in sequence. There is much info being put forward in this thread both from yourself and all the other posts arriving about keeping cyclists safe I sometimes get out of my car and tell cyclists that they can't be seen. Usually, when I pull up in front of them they think I'm going to mug them or something so I've stopped doing that now LOL. Any info and emphasis on common sense is 110% by me Regards Mo __________________

31-01-2007, 14:42	#10
kit Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dublin Posts: 1,246 Members Car: octavia RS Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? i have one attached on my staffies collar when she goes out at night....can see her miles away K

31-01-2007, 20:23	#11
Kentish Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,244 Members Car: 4 wheels, 4 doors. Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? I used to run 2x 10w halogen Cateyes, one flood one spot. Also 1 or 2 light "cannons" which were multy LED lights, all of this at the front. On the rear,3 LED lights. All the LED lights (both front and back) were set to flashing. This prolongs the battery life, and makes it much easier to see you. If it's cost you're concerened about, what price brain damage or broken limb after being moan down by a motor or some sort?. __________________ Andy Owner of a sense of humour.

31-01-2007, 20:28	#12
Sonic1980 Briskodian Join Date: May 2005 Location: A hop and a skip from nowhere Posts: 1,603 Members Car: Fabia vRS - Black Thanks: 3 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? I got the LED set from Halfords ( a winter special @ £20) and its brilliant for my 4mile cycle commute. I think you need 2 rear lights, one static and one strobe and one or two for the front. The combination of static and flashing is nigh on impossible to miss. hth __________________ Fabia v/RS http://www.whf.org.uk Wildlife Heritage Foundation - The Big Cat Sanctuary in Kent. Part of the European Endangered Species Programme (EEP) Big Cat Encounter - Want an idea for a great present??

31-01-2007, 22:13	#13
monkeychild Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Yorks Posts: 3,022 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 5 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? I have these and they are ace!!! Merlin Cycles Ltd Blackburn Lights (bottom of the page) They are good as you get seen from the side too!!!! __________________ My Brum Brums: 2002 Silver MKI Octy vRS standard apart from an APR R1 DV 2002 1.4 Tdi Polo My Pedal Pedals: 2008 Gary Fisher Hookooekoo, 2008 Genesis io Singlespeed 2003 Kona Lavadome Single speed goodness

31-01-2007, 23:28	#14
jason Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: shropshire Posts: 1,914 Members Car: skoda octavia VRS Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? http://campusbikeshop.com/images/lib...l300s_04_m.jpg thats my front,pretty good for a "cheap" light. is it not true that flashing lights are illegal ?even though its not exactly enforced? a mate at work who i bike with has just bought some HID lights for hundreds of pounds. he says he's been flashed by cars. this is my rear: http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/store/li...s/t_ld1000.jpg has 6 rear and 4 sidewards facing led.award winning iirc __________________ louder than war Last edited by jason; 31-01-2007 at 23:30.

01-02-2007, 09:26	#15
steve0275 slacker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maybe I'm in hell, maybe I'm alone But I can deal with this, at least I feel at home. Posts: 214 Members Car: Pug 306 xsi, Fabia VRS Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: LED bike lights? ok, been having a look round and am now considering a set of these Electron Light System EHP315 Twin 5w-10W NiWH Lights - Front 49.99 GBP Free P & P to UK & Ireland, Cheap International Rates. Next day delivery from Europes Largest Online Bikeshop. with some better bulbs. and a couple of decent led rears. __________________ 06 black magic furby vRS, slower than a mustang.

01-02-2007, 18:15	#17
vindaloo Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Bucks Posts: 1,194 Members Car: Fabia vRS and Impreza P1 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? IMO you need a combination effect. Something to splash a lot of ambience around and something to pin-point your position. As a driver, LED's are great once you're aware of them but they're a small point source and normally don't work wide angles very well. Combined with the current fad for smaller, lighter, brighter lights means the only other clue is if the bike's rear reflector is visible. J. __________________ Slowly turning the planet sooty.

01-02-2007, 18:38	#18
storm monkey Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North West Cumbria Posts: 311 Members Car: VW Corrado Storm Thanks: 6 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? 3 little red LED's on tha back of a bike are a real pain to spot, particularly in traffic, where there are larger brighter red lights around. The silver reflective tape you get on hi vis jackets is by far the most noticable, when you shed a little light on it. Did see a front bike light once where there was the main light on the road, and a small bulb or LED directed at the rider, so there whole torso was lit up. Very easy to spot! Phil __________________ My Car - 2.0 TDI Octavia L&K My Toy - 95 Corrado VR6 STORM SWMBO's - 55 Navara

01-02-2007, 18:43	#19
Octygone Old Git Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,822 Members Car: Octavia II tdi ..for now Thanks: 182 Thanked 116 Times in 75 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? I have a feeling the flashing LEDs are illegal for road use __________________

01-02-2007, 23:19	#21
vindaloo Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South Bucks Posts: 1,194 Members Car: Fabia vRS and Impreza P1 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts	Re: LED bike lights? Not so long ago, all LEDs were technically illegal if the legislation was interpreted in a certain way. ISTR that the flasher stuff may not be illegal now... or by summer at any rate... There's an amendment up... Can't possibly be any more vague than that so I'll be off then.... J. __________________ Slowly turning the planet sooty.

02-02-2007, 10:19	#24
DaveH Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sheffield Posts: 806 Members Car: Octavia Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: LED bike lights? Have you looked at Silva head torches, particularly the L1? I've started night riding this year around Wharncliffe Woods so have been messing around with bike lights recently. Being tight with my money and happy to modify, I've ended up with twin electron lights but with 2 x Cateye 15w spot bulbs running off two 7.2V model car batteries. They're more than a match for the Lumicycle 10/12W setup (piccys available of them in action on the Lumicycle website). However, I've also bought a Silva L1 head torch for ~£50. Personally i can't see quite as well with the LED blue/white light compared to the yellow/white light of Halogen but its very similar in 'reach' and output to a 10/15w halogen bulb. Though you wouldn't want to go too quickly, you could safely cycle at normal speed with it in complete darkeness without a problem. It'll run of 4xAA mounted on your head or 4xC which you put in your bag. The combination of 1 of my 'over-volted' cateye 15W halogens with the Silva in flashing mode actually brings most drivers coming in the opposite direction to crawling place. Maybe its a wee bit dangerous (funny though!) but i only do short sections of back roads to join up the off road bits. Being a head torch you can also use it for other things too. __________________ Mondeo Tdci 115, sweet!

02-02-2007, 10:44	#25
steve0275 slacker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maybe I'm in hell, maybe I'm alone But I can deal with this, at least I feel at home. Posts: 214 Members Car: Pug 306 xsi, Fabia VRS Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: LED bike lights? Thanks for the reply dave, I was looking at the electron 5w/10w combo but after seeing bad reviews for the build quality i am now looking at the BLT metrino 15, same thing but build seems to be regarded better. BLT Metrino 15 - Halogen Lights - Front 49.99 GBP Free P & P to UK & Ireland, Cheap International Rates. Next day delivery from Europes Largest Online Bikeshop. The GF has kindly offered to buy me these as a birthday pressie! I will no doubt upgrade the bulbs and batteries at some point. On top of this i am going to invest in some decent rear lights and high vis reflectives for road riding. If i get to off roading in the dark then i will seriously consider a head torch as i have heard nothing but praise for them! Need to build up the fitness a bit first methinks! Cheers Steve. __________________ 06 black magic furby vRS, slower than a mustang.

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