Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands

Dr Zoidberg · 18-09-2006, 21:33

Did anyone see the news today?
The LibDems have stated their proposed changes to road tax if they were to be elected.

CO2 level - Current , proposed.
A 100 and below 0 0
B 101 to 120 40 0
C 121 to 150 100 100
D 151 to 165 125 150 - eg Octy II 2.0 TDI
E 166 to 185 150 850
F 186 to 225 190 1500 - eg Octy II petrol VRS
G 226 and above 210 2000

Sensible discussions only please.

steve · 18-09-2006, 21:38

[quote=Dr Zoidberg;706917] if they were to be elected.

QUOTE]

That says it all mate

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Steve

Dr Zoidberg · 18-09-2006, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve

That says it all mate

.

Steve

I have to say I actually quite liked them until recently.
A lot of what they were saying was pretty sensible but now they seem to have totally lost the plot

elegance1.8T · 18-09-2006, 22:06

£1500 for my car tax,
they are having a giggle I was upset when it went up to £190!

gillywibble · 18-09-2006, 22:11

I have always been lib dem, but that kind of nonsense is only going to win votes from the green minority.

Cars are not the biggest CO2 polluters in any event. Whilst the governments in power continue to subsidise air transport, increased road tax is nothing but a joke.

If they seriously wanted to reduce pollution, they need only implement a world class public transport system, but of course, that costs money.

Tom_vRS · 18-09-2006, 22:30

Whilst I agree with the idea in principal - would make not an iota of difference to pollution.

Either way, I'm pretty safe in my wee Corsa! £50/yr at the moment!

mattbeef · 18-09-2006, 22:47

two words for them come election time

DREAM ON

skodaw · 18-09-2006, 22:51

Why don't they stop messing around. Make fuel duty a "Sensible" amount and put the road tax in as part of the fuel cost - i.e people who do most miles or run the gas guzzlers pay the price. easy

ScoobyChris · 18-09-2006, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodaw

Why don't they stop messing around. Make fuel duty a "Sensible" amount and put the road tax in as part of the fuel cost - i.e people who do most miles or run the gas guzzlers pay the price. easy

Nah I like it how it is now, thanks

Chris

skodaw · 18-09-2006, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Nah I like it how it is now, thanks

Chris

Do I sense a bit of NIMBY ???

drm_jones · 18-09-2006, 23:00

I would normally vote Liberal Democrats - but WTF are they thinking

As has been said - if they want to push up road taxes then they MUST improve public transport such that it becomes a viable option (where I live in Bristol busses are a complete joke - although there is no overall control the Liberal Democrats hold a majority in the council - I would have no faith in them if they ever did come to power)

So basically is there a viable, sensible government left?

I would not vote Labour or Lib Dems as it stands and the Conservatives can go **** off - time to vote for the Monster Raving Loony party then

ScoobyChris · 18-09-2006, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodaw

Do I sense a bit of NIMBY ???

While I'm doing 25k+ miles a year then yes

Chris

steve · 18-09-2006, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

While I'm doing 25k+ miles a year then yes

Chris

im doing around 50K a year in 3 different motors, better the devil you know

.

Steve

**TaviaRS** · 19-09-2006, 06:08

Ditto.

I'll go for the reduction in my car tax on their plans - down from 115 to 100.

Tchyeah right, in their dreams, I'm not a big fan, leaning marginally to the right of Ghengis Khan - 1 policy does not a government make.

What we need is base fuel prices reduced and road tax added to the fuel costs and more toll roads preferably derestricted.

Octygone · 19-09-2006, 06:45

Car tax is a good way at the moment to check if the car is insured and mot ed ...but if a way could be found over that then tax on fuel may be a good thing (if you use the road the most you pay the most) it may come anyway or the car tax may just rise ......but I would be very surprised if the Libs got in power to be able to do it.....they can always prattle on about we will do this and that because they know they will never have to carry it through

cheezemonkhai · 19-09-2006, 15:11

Put it on fuel and foreign lorrys become even cheaper. Fill up a massive fuel tank in france and come on over with the goods, drive them there and go back. Even if you have to fill up once you are still making a massive saving on fuel costs.

postmanpat · 19-09-2006, 15:17

So long as none of the other parties start thinking it is a good idea as well........think swmbo's car would become worthless overnight

As anyone transplanted a 1.4tdi lump for a 2.0tfsi

Fabia 12v · 19-09-2006, 15:40

Golf comes in band C at 146g/km which is £100 so thats not bad on tax really. But octy 4x4 comes in band F which is currently £190... proposed £1500!!!!

Do they want voters???

ScoobyChris · 19-09-2006, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabia 12v

But octy 4x4 comes in band F which is currently £190... proposed £1500!!!!

Bloody city-dwelling 4x4 owners! Get everything they deserve

Chris

Fabia 12v · 19-09-2006, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Bloody city-dwelling 4x4 owners! Get everything they deserve

Chris

moving out of london next year anyway

We wont comment on working for land rover and driving a range rover around london at the companies cost stinking out the place @ 12-15mpg

andyl · 19-09-2006, 20:54

It shows the joys of being in opposition ,rather than having to make policies that stand any chance of becoming law.Car drivers are easy pickings compared to large multi-nationals or airlines.All lib-dem MPs down this way-they should know how bad public transport is in some areas.

heresmo · 19-09-2006, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyl

It shows the joys of being in opposition ,rather than having to make policies that stand any chance of becoming law.Car drivers are easy pickings compared to large multi-nationals or airlines.All lib-dem MPs down this way-they should know how bad public transport is in some areas.

I'm with postmanpat's view on this, i.e. Quote: So long as none of the other parties start thinking it is a good idea as well Unquote It's certainly not unheard of for other parties to adopt policies which will put more money into tax coffers, and the Lib Dems are an easy one to steal from.

Also, as you say andyl, where will the tax £'s come from if cars are left at home? Loaded onto business travel = higher prices = +more VAT, or just an overall tax hike? We finish up paying it one way or another.

Just out of interest, a local garage today had a notice on a pump saying "We no longer sell LPG". Dunno why. I'll ask them when I have time. Anyone else seen that?

Regards
Mo

JPreston · 19-09-2006, 23:21

Small point but any increase like this is only proposed for new registrations, otherwise as pointed out above people are hit with big increases that they cannot afford. Also were 100,000's of cars ever to be dumped overnight and replaced with newly manufactured priuses (priuii?) the total energy and hence CO2 cost would be vastly greater than just allowing people to continue driving their old cars.

I like a lot of the lib dem policies but didn't vote for them last time, because of their (now defunct) local income tax policy. I'm all for redistributive and progressive taxation but fail to see why me and SWMBO (as professional DINKies) should suddenly pay 10x as much just to get our bin emptied.

ColinEdinburgh · 20-09-2006, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattbeef

two words for them come election time

DREAM ON

Except it would be a nightmare for everyone if they won!

Under Charlie Kennedy they were radical and interesting.

Under Sir Minger they have become more authoritarian and less interesting by a long, long way.

So we now have THREE unelectable and unsupportable political parties in the UK!

18-09-2006, 21:33	#1
Dr Zoidberg Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the back of an AA truck with a failed turbo Posts: 10,745 Members Car: Octavia II 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 30 Thanked 194 Times in 145 Posts	Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Did anyone see the news today? The LibDems have stated their proposed changes to road tax if they were to be elected. CO2 level - Current , proposed. A 100 and below 0 0 B 101 to 120 40 0 C 121 to 150 100 100 D 151 to 165 125 150 - eg Octy II 2.0 TDI E 166 to 185 150 850 F 186 to 225 190 1500 - eg Octy II petrol VRS G 226 and above 210 2000 Sensible discussions only please. __________________ Alex "I laugh in the face of danger, then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk

18-09-2006, 21:38	#2
steve Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,020 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands [quote=Dr Zoidberg;706917] if they were to be elected. QUOTE] That says it all mate . Steve

18-09-2006, 22:06	#4
elegance1.8T Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bury, Lancs Posts: 866 Members Car: BMW 120d msport Thanks: 8 Thanked 13 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands £1500 for my car tax, they are having a giggle I was upset when it went up to £190! __________________ No longer a Skoda owner But got a new BMW coming in 2 weeks, thats going to make me a really bad driver!

18-09-2006, 22:11	#5
gillywibble Cuthbert Dibble Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Watching Tom peeping at Lady Godiva. Posts: 7,148 Members Car: Octavia Elegance 2.0 Tdi Thanks: 230 Thanked 262 Times in 220 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands I have always been lib dem, but that kind of nonsense is only going to win votes from the green minority. Cars are not the biggest CO2 polluters in any event. Whilst the governments in power continue to subsidise air transport, increased road tax is nothing but a joke. If they seriously wanted to reduce pollution, they need only implement a world class public transport system, but of course, that costs money. __________________ I drink, therefore I spam.

18-09-2006, 22:30	#6
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,542 Members Car: '97R BMW 328i Saloon Thanks: 679 Thanked 433 Times in 310 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Whilst I agree with the idea in principal - would make not an iota of difference to pollution. Either way, I'm pretty safe in my wee Corsa! £50/yr at the moment! __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green.

18-09-2006, 22:47	#7
mattbeef Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sheffield Posts: 3,362 Members Car: Red Octy vRS Thanks: 36 Thanked 116 Times in 115 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands two words for them come election time DREAM ON __________________ I few bits here and there but im happy to Performance Torque Go on click me you know you want to

18-09-2006, 22:51	#8
skodaw Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: This area is under construction - please call back later :) Posts: 3,186 Members Car: Skoda Fabia vRS Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Why don't they stop messing around. Make fuel duty a "Sensible" amount and put the road tax in as part of the fuel cost - i.e people who do most miles or run the gas guzzlers pay the price. easy __________________ Dave '05 Silver Fabia vRS

18-09-2006, 23:00	#11
drm_jones Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nowhere of interest to anybody Posts: 1,034 Members Car: Unimportant Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands I would normally vote Liberal Democrats - but WTF are they thinking As has been said - if they want to push up road taxes then they MUST improve public transport such that it becomes a viable option (where I live in Bristol busses are a complete joke - although there is no overall control the Liberal Democrats hold a majority in the council - I would have no faith in them if they ever did come to power) So basically is there a viable, sensible government left? I would not vote Labour or Lib Dems as it stands and the Conservatives can go **** off - time to vote for the Monster Raving Loony party then __________________ David 2002 Black Magic Octavia V/RS

19-09-2006, 06:08	#14
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Ditto. I'll go for the reduction in my car tax on their plans - down from 115 to 100. Tchyeah right, in their dreams, I'm not a big fan, leaning marginally to the right of Ghengis Khan - 1 policy does not a government make. What we need is base fuel prices reduced and road tax added to the fuel costs and more toll roads preferably derestricted. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

19-09-2006, 06:45	#15
Octygone Old Git Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,822 Members Car: Octavia II tdi ..for now Thanks: 182 Thanked 116 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Car tax is a good way at the moment to check if the car is insured and mot ed ...but if a way could be found over that then tax on fuel may be a good thing (if you use the road the most you pay the most) it may come anyway or the car tax may just rise ......but I would be very surprised if the Libs got in power to be able to do it.....they can always prattle on about we will do this and that because they know they will never have to carry it through __________________

19-09-2006, 15:11	#16
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,575 Members Car: Thanks: 111 Thanked 512 Times in 475 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Put it on fuel and foreign lorrys become even cheaper. Fill up a massive fuel tank in france and come on over with the goods, drive them there and go back. Even if you have to fill up once you are still making a massive saving on fuel costs. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

19-09-2006, 15:40	#18
Fabia 12v RICHARD Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Twickenham - Middlesex Posts: 5,026 Members Car: Skoda Fabia >> VW Golf >> Seat Ibiza >> VW Polo Thanks: 11 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Golf comes in band C at 146g/km which is £100 so thats not bad on tax really. But octy 4x4 comes in band F which is currently £190... proposed £1500!!!! Do they want voters??? __________________ First Car: Skoda Fabia MK1 1.2 12v Comfort Replaced with: Volkswagen Golf MK4 GT 1.9TDI Replaced with: Seat Ibiza MK4 Sport 1.9TDI Replaced with: Volkswagen Polo MK6 Ltd. Edition Sport 1.4 16v

19-09-2006, 20:54	#21
andyl Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kernow Posts: 59 Members Car: Octavia vrs Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands It shows the joys of being in opposition ,rather than having to make policies that stand any chance of becoming law.Car drivers are easy pickings compared to large multi-nationals or airlines.All lib-dem MPs down this way-they should know how bad public transport is in some areas. __________________ Proper Job

19-09-2006, 23:21	#23
JPreston Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hertfordshi-yer Posts: 944 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Liberal Democrat's proposed new car tax bands Small point but any increase like this is only proposed for new registrations, otherwise as pointed out above people are hit with big increases that they cannot afford. Also were 100,000's of cars ever to be dumped overnight and replaced with newly manufactured priuses (priuii?) the total energy and hence CO2 cost would be vastly greater than just allowing people to continue driving their old cars. I like a lot of the lib dem policies but didn't vote for them last time, because of their (now defunct) local income tax policy. I'm all for redistributive and progressive taxation but fail to see why me and SWMBO (as professional DINKies) should suddenly pay 10x as much just to get our bin emptied.

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