M62 Police New Under Cover car

TIMVRS · 05-10-2005, 18:42

I cannot belive what I have seen this afternoon on the M62 At Halifax.
A green Mercedes Vito, **52 VYE With ladders on the roof

and a front end that lit up like a blue flashing christmas tree and it even had a pop up display in the front windscreen that said police and arrows to pull over ???

And two traffic cops in the front..

Now that is properly wrong

******* just another way of fleecing the honest driver ....

****

Cheers

Tim

Aveleydave · 05-10-2005, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIMVRS

I cannot belive what I have seen this afternoon on the M62 At Halifax.
A green Mercedes Vito, **52 VYE With ladders on the roof

and a front end that lit up like a blue flashing christmas tree and it even had a pop up display in the front windscreen that said police and arrows to pull over ???

And two traffic cops in the front..

Now that is properly wrong

******* just another way of fleecing the honest driver ....

****

Cheers

Tim

They're not after the honest driver, they're after the dishonest ones

Dr Zoidberg · 05-10-2005, 18:51

I'm sorry but I disagree.
Using unmarked cars allows them to see the real dangerous drivers and deal with them.
I'd *much* rather have hordes of these than cameras who ignore the idiots tailgating , chatting on the phone , eating their breakfast , reading a newspaper etc etc.

If you are an "honest driver" how does this in any way cause you a problem?

Moose · 05-10-2005, 18:51

Depends who they were trying to get really. But a Vito is an odd choice for traffic police.

Dr Zoidberg · 05-10-2005, 18:53

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Originally Posted by Moose

Depends who they were trying to get really. But a Vito is an odd choice for traffic police.

Unmarked Vectras , Volvos , Octavias etc are all quite easy to spot.
Nobody pays any attention to a van

Moose · 05-10-2005, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Dr zoidberg

Unmarked Vectras , Volvos , Octavias etc are all quite easy to spot.
Nobody pays any attention to a van

Sorry, what I meant was that they aren't the quickest vehicle on the road and so would struggle if a decent car (no not a Fabia) decided to make off. I think it was more likely either a carrier which has been tarted up, or an incident support van, the ladders do suggest the second idea.

Fabpreza · 05-10-2005, 19:20

I'd like to see a Vanquish or a Gallardo as an unmarked car. There's no way you would think it was a police car... now what would they reach downhill on the M62 I wonder ?

Moose · 05-10-2005, 20:17

Don't the airport police at Gatwick have a Gallardo? I know they used to have a Diablo but I've heard they got rid of that a while back. I'm sure I read something in my local paper about it a bit back.

spinndrift · 05-10-2005, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Moose

Sorry, what I meant was that they aren't the quickest vehicle on the road and so would struggle if a decent car (no not a Fabia) decided to make off. I think it was more likely either a carrier which has been tarted up, or an incident support van, the ladders do suggest the second idea.

Due to the ANPR fitted to most of the cars these days they know who the car belongs to and if it's insured etc within 15 seconds. Then they'd call up a nippy motor to follow it.

Wayne Kerr · 05-10-2005, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Dr zoidberg

I'm sorry but I disagree.
Using unmarked cars allows them to see the real dangerous drivers and deal with them.
I'd *much* rather have hordes of these than cameras who ignore the idiots tailgating , chatting on the phone , eating their breakfast , reading a newspaper etc etc.

If you are an "honest driver" how does this in any way cause you a problem?

Are you an honest driver then?

So your the one that keeps to the speed limits then!

Your the one that that don't run the lights on Amber!

Your the one that stops at zebra crossings!

Your the one that gives way to cars coming up hill!

The list is endless.

Your certainly a top man

Wake up & smell the coffee

Johnnyc · 05-10-2005, 21:25

In Belfast there's a Renault Kangoo prowling about complete with blue lights behind the grille and a couple of Honda bikes with video cameras in the panier bags. Very sneaky!

Gwilo · 05-10-2005, 21:58

thought the Vito wasn't too sluggish for a Van really.....
Least it won't lunch it's gearbox like Renault Master's...lost a new one between Manchester n Carlisle.

Back on point though, won't be long before they're putting speed cameras in the bottom of wheely bins and ptting them by roadside on bin day..... the do it in IIRC Denmark already, the home of the tuff tuff club.....

Moose · 05-10-2005, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

Your the one that that don't run the lights on Amber!

Nothing bad about going through a light at amber

Gwilo · 05-10-2005, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Moose

Nothing bad about going through a light at amber

Especially if you're moving so fast you can't stop "safely", and that, IIRC, is the official highway code rule.......

Put your foot down......

Moose · 05-10-2005, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Gwilo

Especially if you're moving so fast you can't stop "safely", and that, IIRC, is the official highway code rule.......

Put your foot down......

dstev2000 · 05-10-2005, 22:05

An honest driver is your average joe trying to get from A to B, not the turds that:

Hog the middle and outside lanes

Don't indicate at roundabouts

Sit so far up your *** you cant see their headlights in the mirror

Dont say "thank you" in response to being flashed out etc

Don't use headlights in heavy rain/fog/spray on motorways or any road for that matter.

I can go on for hours but I dont want to turn this into another "things that annoy you" thread

Unmarked cars aren't interested in mr average who does 75 on the motorway, just the asswipes who are a danger to themselves and others.

Dr Zoidberg · 05-10-2005, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr

Are you an honest driver then?

So your the one that keeps to the speed limits then!

Your the one that that don't run the lights on Amber!

Your the one that stops at zebra crossings!

Your the one that gives way to cars coming up hill!

The list is endless.

Your certainly a top man

Wake up & smell the coffee

I'm not sure what you mean by that , but am I bothered by the thought of the police in an unmarked car watching how I drive?

No , not at all.

logiclee · 05-10-2005, 22:19

It's only an offence if your rear wheels cross the white line after the lights turn red. Amber is fine.

Cheers
Lee

dstev2000 · 05-10-2005, 22:31

And of course its perfectly legal to go through an amber light if it's more dangerous to attempt to stop.

What happens if you move forward at a set of lights on red to allow an emergency vehicle through but get snapped by a camera?

Dr Zoidberg · 05-10-2005, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstev2000

And of course its perfectly legal to go through an amber light if it's more dangerous to attempt to stop.

What happens if you move forward at a set of lights on red to allow an emergency vehicle through but get snapped by a camera?

Technically you have committed an offence though it would be very unlikely that you would be taken to court.

dstev2000 · 05-10-2005, 22:56

Hasn't happened to me but it's one of those things you think about in the traffic.

Thanks for the clarification

Fabia 12v · 05-10-2005, 22:59

i really would love to know how the police work on speeding.. now oviously it is illegal to go over 70mph as that is the limit however good motorway, modern car perfectly safe and able to do 80-85mph how often they pull you for this, just that to me these days it seams a perfectly acceptable speed on a motorway.

Dr Zoidberg · 05-10-2005, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabia 12v

i really would love to know how the police work on speeding.. now oviously it is illegal to go over 70mph as that is the limit however good motorway, modern car perfectly safe and able to do 80-85mph how often they pull you for this, just that to me these days it seams a perfectly acceptable speed on a motorway.

The Association of Chief Police Officers guidelines suggest not taking action unless the speed exceeds the limit by more than 10% +2mph so for a motorway a true speed of 80 is where you are likely to attract attention. This is probably an indicated speed of around 87 mph.

This is partly an acceptance that 75 isn't really all that different to 70 , and partly that there are plenty of people doing well over the limit that TrafPol can spend all their time dealing with the worst offenders.

dstev2000 · 05-10-2005, 23:05

I would imagine it is mostly down to discretion, the tolerance is 10%+2 over the limit (I think) so 80 on the motorway wont normally attract attention, if you are doing 72 and driving erratically then you will get a tug which is how it should be, this is where the whole speed camera issue comes up, no discretion whatsoever.

And the speed limit is irrelevant if the conditions warrant a slower driving speed to remain safe.

Fabia 12v · 05-10-2005, 23:08

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Originally Posted by dstev2000

And the speed limit is irrelevant if the conditions warrant a slower driving speed to remain safe.

oviously.. remember the rain we had back in august.... i was on M1 doing 40 like most people is was so damn heavy.. was like driving through a swimming pool..... shocked me that people were still shooting past doing unconceivable speeds.. they're the ones who need to be stopped in conditions like that

05-10-2005, 18:42	#1
TIMVRS Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wigan Posts: 312 Members Car: Octavia VRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	M62 Police New Under Cover car I cannot belive what I have seen this afternoon on the M62 At Halifax. A green Mercedes Vito, 52 VYE With ladders on the roof and a front end that lit up like a blue flashing christmas tree and it even had a pop up display in the front windscreen that said police and arrows to pull over ??? And two traffic cops in the front.. Now that is properly wrong *** just another way of fleecing the honest driver .... ** Cheers Tim __________________ 04 Diamond Silver Octavia vRS Bailey DV, Jabba custom re-map, Neuspeed induction kit, Boost controller. ICE: Alpine CDA 9812RB mp3 Head unit, Orion stealth shelf, Planet Audio Amp, Sat Nav via Ipac. Now with pics in Gallery.. http://www.briskoda.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=1545

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Dr Zoidberg Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the back of an AA truck with a failed turbo Posts: 10,745 Members Car: Octavia II 2.0 TDi Elegance Thanks: 30 Thanked 194 Times in 145 Posts	I'm sorry but I disagree. Using unmarked cars allows them to see the real dangerous drivers and deal with them. I'd much rather have hordes of these than cameras who ignore the idiots tailgating , chatting on the phone , eating their breakfast , reading a newspaper etc etc. If you are an "honest driver" how does this in any way cause you a problem? __________________ Alex "I laugh in the face of danger, then I hide until it goes away" www.drzoidberg.co.uk

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Moose Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I'm a monkey from outer space, woooooooo ahhhhhhhhh hehe hooohaa Posts: 4,938 Members Car: None Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Depends who they were trying to get really. But a Vito is an odd choice for traffic police. __________________ Sunlight Silver MX-5 1.8 Sport

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Moose Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I'm a monkey from outer space, woooooooo ahhhhhhhhh hehe hooohaa Posts: 4,938 Members Car: None Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Don't the airport police at Gatwick have a Gallardo? I know they used to have a Diablo but I've heard they got rid of that a while back. I'm sure I read something in my local paper about it a bit back. __________________ Sunlight Silver MX-5 1.8 Sport

05-10-2005, 21:25	#11
Johnnyc Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 3,193 Members Car: MkV Golf 1.9 TDI Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	In Belfast there's a Renault Kangoo prowling about complete with blue lights behind the grille and a couple of Honda bikes with video cameras in the panier bags. Very sneaky! __________________ Johnny "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator", we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."

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Fabpreza Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SE Posts: 1,523 Members Car: 4x4 Jabba Turbo estate Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'd like to see a Vanquish or a Gallardo as an unmarked car. There's no way you would think it was a police car... now what would they reach downhill on the M62 I wonder ?

05-10-2005, 21:58	#12
Gwilo Undercover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,687 Members Car: Rustwagon Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	thought the Vito wasn't too sluggish for a Van really..... Least it won't lunch it's gearbox like Renault Master's...lost a new one between Manchester n Carlisle. Back on point though, won't be long before they're putting speed cameras in the bottom of wheely bins and ptting them by roadside on bin day..... the do it in IIRC Denmark already, the home of the tuff tuff club..... __________________

05-10-2005, 22:05	#16
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	An honest driver is your average joe trying to get from A to B, not the turds that: Hog the middle and outside lanes Don't indicate at roundabouts Sit so far up your *** you cant see their headlights in the mirror Dont say "thank you" in response to being flashed out etc Don't use headlights in heavy rain/fog/spray on motorways or any road for that matter. I can go on for hours but I dont want to turn this into another "things that annoy you" thread Unmarked cars aren't interested in mr average who does 75 on the motorway, just the asswipes who are a danger to themselves and others. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

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logiclee Briskodian Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 787 Members Car: Octavia TDi Elegance, Fabia TDi Comfort Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It's only an offence if your rear wheels cross the white line after the lights turn red. Amber is fine. Cheers Lee __________________ Another Ex-Scooby owner. Mondeo TDCi 130 6 Speed Ghia, Octavia 1.9TDi Elegance (Now Sold), Fabia 1.9TDi Comfort and Felicia 1.9D GLi

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dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	And of course its perfectly legal to go through an amber light if it's more dangerous to attempt to stop. What happens if you move forward at a set of lights on red to allow an emergency vehicle through but get snapped by a camera? __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

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dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	Hasn't happened to me but it's one of those things you think about in the traffic. Thanks for the clarification __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

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Fabia 12v RICHARD Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Twickenham - Middlesex Posts: 5,026 Members Car: Skoda Fabia >> VW Golf >> Seat Ibiza >> VW Polo Thanks: 11 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	i really would love to know how the police work on speeding.. now oviously it is illegal to go over 70mph as that is the limit however good motorway, modern car perfectly safe and able to do 80-85mph how often they pull you for this, just that to me these days it seams a perfectly acceptable speed on a motorway. __________________ First Car: Skoda Fabia MK1 1.2 12v Comfort Replaced with: Volkswagen Golf MK4 GT 1.9TDI Replaced with: Seat Ibiza MK4 Sport 1.9TDI Replaced with: Volkswagen Polo MK6 Ltd. Edition Sport 1.4 16v

05-10-2005, 23:05	#24
dstev2000 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Back in the Green Posts: 4,036 Members Car: 2 Octavia II's, an L&K combi and a vRS hatch. Thanks: 48 Thanked 168 Times in 153 Posts	I would imagine it is mostly down to discretion, the tolerance is 10%+2 over the limit (I think) so 80 on the motorway wont normally attract attention, if you are doing 72 and driving erratically then you will get a tug which is how it should be, this is where the whole speed camera issue comes up, no discretion whatsoever. And the speed limit is irrelevant if the conditions warrant a slower driving speed to remain safe. __________________ MY08 L&K: Black-Estate-Diesel-Sunset Glass-MFD2-W8 Interior light-Colour coded door strips-LED sidelights and Puddle lights-VAG-COM fettled-Lovely! SWMBO's: MY08 vRS TDI - Standard

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