May Have Been Zapped By Road Safety Camera Van - What Next?

Reece_1 · 02-02-2007, 21:17

Returning home from work tonight, passed one of those safety camera vans and I think the speedo at the time was 35mph or just under (30 mph limit). Got a number of questions if any can help or give advice.

How long does it take to get the NIP?

Do they work to certain tolerances and there is no action if the limit is only broken by a few mph or do you still get the NIP even at 31mph (Not surprised these days if that was the case)?

Is it automatic 3 points and £60 fine or do they offer some sort of driver safety awareness course instead of points (Have to pay some sort fee though).

Thanks

**VRStu** · 02-02-2007, 21:23

14 days max for the NIP.

Normally a straight 3 points and £60 I think.

As for threshold I would say that's a localised decision.

ScoobyChris · 02-02-2007, 21:23

Takes a couple of weeks to come through. If you were doing an indicated 35mph, chances are you were only fractionally over the 30mph limit anyway so you'll probably be ok

Normal ACPO guidelines are 10%+2mph above the limit which would be an actual 35mph....

Chris

TeflonTom · 02-02-2007, 21:26

it might not have been a speed van.... it might have been an ANPR van especially as it's the beginning of the month and all the tax dodgers who havn't got thier tax disc yet will get nabbed

devonutopia · 02-02-2007, 21:41

I wouldn't worry about prosecutions from a safety van if you're around 5mph indicated over the limit - Your real speed was probably more likely to be 32 anyway, which is within tolerances. I went past one on the A38 dualie near Plymouth before Xmas at an indicated 82mph (saw it too late) and never heard anything. I think the vans just tend to nab those at say nearly 40 (real speed) in a 30, and so on.

Reece_1 · 03-02-2007, 00:18

Hi All
Thanks for the comments, not yet seen the ANPR van on my travels Tom so it may have been one of those. Had a chat online with a certain work associate who is not too far from being banned drove past one at 38 mph last November and not heard anything, so she presumed it wasn't 'active' at the time.

ric04vrs · 03-02-2007, 01:14

ANPR van will possibly have an obvious camera or two stuck on it , the ones around here do anyways

Stuart_J · 03-02-2007, 06:58

If you have a clean licence take it on the chin. With the number of cameras around these days thousands of people are now being caught for fractionally over the limit. Also with some police forces they offer a "speed appreciation course" as an alternative to the points etc if you are slightly over. My Wife had to endure one last year having been caught at 35 in a 30 in Oxfordshire.

If you are sweating on the licence before you fill out the Im guilty form ask for a copy of the picture to ensure it was you driving & it was your car, they can make mistakes

If its not clear it might of been a friend/wife/girlfriend & if your not sure who was driving the car at the time you cant plead guilty. Its an offence to state on the form anything that you believe might be untrue so simply state that & ask if there is any way they can enhance the picture to clarify the driver.
You will then be prosecuted for failing to disclose the driver as thats the way the system works but at no time have you failed to declare, just asked for help in clarifying who was driving, it will then be court but you stand a good chance of getting off

BUT remember its illegal to knowingly make false declerations & if convicted of that its a serious offence. If convicted of failing to declare the fine & points are the the same but you get costs of about £60 added, the downside is the endorsement is a diffetrent one & it will hike your insurance more than speeding

pixi · 03-02-2007, 11:15

If it was a safety camera van you may still be lucky. I was sure I was clocked doing 35 in a 30 when I had Velma but nought landed on my door mat. Her speedo must've been way out anyway

Johnwg · 03-02-2007, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Takes a couple of weeks to come through. If you were doing an indicated 35mph, chances are you were only fractionally over the 30mph limit anyway so you'll probably be ok

Normal ACPO guidelines are 10%+2mph above the limit which would be an actual 35mph....

Chris

I imagine you'll be fine. Its only since I've had a sat nav system which gives the "true" GPS indicated speed that I've realised how far speedo's can be out.

I look back now and laugh at the number of times I've pooped it when I've been in similar situations

ScoobyChris · 03-02-2007, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwg

I imagine you'll be fine. Its only since I've had a sat nav system which gives the "true" GPS indicated speed that I've realised how far speedo's can be out.

I was the other way round and was horrified how accurate my speedo was compared to the GPS reading

Chris

phillip · 03-02-2007, 13:26

I definitely WOULDN'T go down the road of failing to disclose driver details, as the fine and points are then at the discretion of the magistrates, and are likely to run into hundreds of pounds PLUS court costs !!!!!!!!!!!
If you are unlucky enough to get done...the cheapest option is to take it on the chin !!!!!!!!!

Johnwg · 04-02-2007, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

I was the other way round and was horrified how accurate my speedo was compared to the GPS reading

Chris

Was that on the Ford then? If so, its funny how it seems to vary so much from different make to different make... but saying that you don't really need a speedo to drive safely anyway

ScoobyChris · 04-02-2007, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwg

Was that on the Ford then? If so, its funny how it seems to vary so much from different make to different make... but saying that you don't really need a speedo to drive safely anyway

Yeah that was in the Mondeo. Went out with a chap who brought his hi-tech sat nav PDA with him and commented about how close to true the speedo was

Completely agree re: the comment about safe driving and appropriate speed though

Chris

Johnwg · 04-02-2007, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

Completely agree re: the comment about safe driving and appropriate speed though

To be honest that's my only problem with speed camera's..... its possible to drive like a complete pillock and still remain with in the speed limits, yet you can drive perfectly safely, conditions permiting, and get hit with 3 points and a fine - prime example being early morning on a motorway doing 80mph+......

When will these Road Saftey people catch on to the fact that its more about the conditons and driving environment, rather than the speed, which determins if you are driving safely or otherwise

Sonic1980 · 04-02-2007, 22:50

The gf was done last week for 35 in a 30. 3 points and a £60 fine... Was probably reading just under 40 at the time. For everyone who knows her, its a shock as she is a careful driver. Off a roundabout which turns from 40 to 30, and a no quibbles endorsable offense.

Seems harsh, but cant complain...

yashicamat · 04-02-2007, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwg

To be honest that's my only problem with speed camera's..... its possible to drive like a complete pillock and still remain with in the speed limits, yet you can drive perfectly safely, conditions permiting, and get hit with 3 points and a fine - prime example being early morning on a motorway doing 80mph+......

When will these Road Saftey people catch on to the fact that its more about the conditons and driving environment, rather than the speed, which determins if you are driving safely or otherwise

Long and short of it is that probably the vast majority agree. But they have to adhere to laws and rules or risk their job . . .

MissKia · 04-02-2007, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwg

its possible to drive like a complete pillock and still remain with in the speed limits, yet you can drive perfectly safely, conditions permiting, and get hit with 3 points and a fine - prime example being early morning on a motorway doing 80mph+......

Really, only 80mph+

WW_VRS · 05-02-2007, 09:56

Mine was 3 digits as you know

- and yes I got majorly lucky.

02-02-2007, 21:17	#1
Reece_1 Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 554 Members Car: Thanks: 2 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	May Have Been Zapped By Road Safety Camera Van - What Next? Returning home from work tonight, passed one of those safety camera vans and I think the speedo at the time was 35mph or just under (30 mph limit). Got a number of questions if any can help or give advice. How long does it take to get the NIP? Do they work to certain tolerances and there is no action if the limit is only broken by a few mph or do you still get the NIP even at 31mph (Not surprised these days if that was the case)? Is it automatic 3 points and £60 fine or do they offer some sort of driver safety awareness course instead of points (Have to pay some sort fee though). Thanks

02-02-2007, 21:23	#2
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03-02-2007, 00:18	#6
Reece_1 Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 554 Members Car: Thanks: 2 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: May Have Been Zapped By Road Safety Camera Van - What Next? Hi All Thanks for the comments, not yet seen the ANPR van on my travels Tom so it may have been one of those. Had a chat online with a certain work associate who is not too far from being banned drove past one at 38 mph last November and not heard anything, so she presumed it wasn't 'active' at the time.

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phillip Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: west yorks Posts: 202 Members Car: Octavia vRS Thanks: 3 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: May Have Been Zapped By Road Safety Camera Van - What Next? I definitely WOULDN'T go down the road of failing to disclose driver details, as the fine and points are then at the discretion of the magistrates, and are likely to run into hundreds of pounds PLUS court costs !!!!!!!!!!! If you are unlucky enough to get done...the cheapest option is to take it on the chin !!!!!!!!!

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