Bigw2069

Positive discrimination is really doing my t!ts in at the moment, everywhere you turn there it is right in your face.

Before I go on I would just like to point out that I am in no way a racist/homophobe/ageist or for that matter discriminating against any minority group. I just think it’s this world trying to be so PC crazy that they have flipped the scenario 180.

The first thing that annoys me is the current situation on the BBC radio network, BBC radio 1 extra, which is aimed at a black audience, 24/7, at current when you open their website first thing you read is “black history month.” “Know your black history?” well no I don’t really, I know as much as I was taught in history at school but that’s as far as it goes. Then round the corner still on the BBC website you have the BBC Asian network. Now is it just me or is this going too far? The BBC have channels BBC1-7 all with different styles of music but none solely aimed at a Caucasian audience, so why the hell should it work the other way around? I can imagine it now, “BBC 9 the whiteboy network, playing only the best in white bred music” can you imagine the uproar if that was the case. There are also awards for MOBO (Music of black origin) again turn the tables and watch the uproar.

Homosexual parades and the likes are also a huge factor in positive discrimination, gaypride for instance. A huge parade where thousands of homosexuals march upon a city, for what? To show you are proud of being gay, I personally don’t care in the slightest what your sexual preference is be it one way or the other, it is entirely your choice but I know for a fact if there was hetropride then the criticism would be fiery and fierce.

I hope I'm not being unreasonable here by saying this and as I said before its not an attempt to have a dig at any minority group just society as a whole, I could go on with further examples but I am boring myself to death and I must do some work.

From a personal view I can only see the situation becoming worse, but like I say that’s a personal view.

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I think that there are a great many people that share your views but to express them could lead to calls of racism .


I for one agree with you. Not that anyone or anything bothers me but take the MOBO awards for example. If you set up an award soley for caucasian music you would be accused of ignoring the contribution that black/asian music has made to the country. The world is mad. People who are actually racist would only feel more incensed by positive discrimination and people who arent racist really dont need the fact that discrimination is a bad thing shoved down there throats at every oppertunity. So who does it help and what does it achieve?

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Bigw2069

I could see where someone could percieve my previous post as homophobic and/or racist, thats why I genuinley stated it wasnt a dig at the individual but the society as a whole. I have even aired these views to my friends that are coloured/homosexual simply to gauge their view on the situation and TBH they concurred with me. but im sure on this forum of 8000+ members that their will be many people classed as "from minority groups" so it would be nice to hear both sides of the story.

A subject maybe a little different from the usual teenage sagas and pointless guff we sometimes see, and hopefully a little thought provoking too

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I would post but it would take too long and I would start banging the keyboard a bit hard

simon

Well for what its worth I think you approached the subject very delicately

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Fluffmeister

One of my best friends is a "ranked" police officer and he shares all the views you outlined as do I, he is that far over the edge that he almost went the BNP route on the elections, but was worried about the career stopping effects of people finding out, and the fact that ultimatley they are thinly disguised racists.

On a lighter note, I went to a chinese restaraunt in cardiff last night (Atlantic Wharf) and said "Table for one please", chinese girl says "here" pointing to table outside in main walkthrough, I say "can I sit inside please", she said "NO!!! table inside seat 4 people, you only one person, you sit here".

So as I am but a single person (a big fella all the same) have I been discriminated against, surley some looney european court would take it up.

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You have excelled yourself there Mil



@ bigw - well worded, and a very valid point. I won't add to it as I have nothing to say that you haven't said already.

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andy2407

Agree with BigW, and a well-worded attempt to start some serious discussion.
As for Mil, sorry but you have lost it big style there

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ncarring

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Mil could you edit your post please - you have made it appear that you are a homophobe.

All you others - you can stop pressing the "report post" button now...

If you want my opinion, if you start provocative threads like this you're going to get the full spectrum of replies.

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Bigw2069

Ok, should we start more threads about "where will he/she sleep tonight?" or maybe "What will i have to eat tonight?" how about "what would you do if your best friend called your boyfriend a perv?"

Just some of the hard hitting topical posts i can think of off the top of my head

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simon

Nothing wrong with a broad spectrum of replies. As long as statements are backed up with some form of reasoning (however misguided others may feel that reasoning is)

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Mil

Jeeez...


All I wanted was to see everyone's reaction I'm in a hyper mood today! Sorry if I caused offense, but I was only kidding. If I wanted to offend I would have put down the reasons, but I haven't.

And I thought I was uptight.

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EddyH

I think BigW expected a broad spectrum of replies, I would and that's what makes for good discussion. However I would expect the broad spectrum of replies to be made within the forum rules.

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ncarring

I don't disagree, Bigw. Those threads make for pretty mindless reading, and it's a shame there isn't something more intelligent to discuss. However if you're going to go to the other end of the spectrum and get controversial, you've got to expect all kinds of opinions, that was all.

Edit: Oh and Mil's original post has now been deleted. Normal service has been resumed. Off you go ...

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roblatus

Couldn't agree with you more on this one. Whilst i appreciate that this country has a very diverse culture and many people from different ethnic backgrounds. Lets just remember one thing. Last time i looked it was still Great Britain how about having music channels and news networks dedicated to purely anglo saxon caucasean interests and culture. But if this happened i would be racist wouldn't i? After all it seems these days if you fly the cross of Saint George you are risking offending some ethnic minority or other. Norman Tebit was correct in the 80's i think it was, when he talked about the "cricket test"

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simon

Its worth remembering that only 40 years ago having an afro-carribean or asian family move into your street was the worst thing that could possibly happen and carreer prospects for these groups were poor to say the least.

Something had to change, and thankfully it has. The momentum of change has now pushed the pendulum a bit too far the other way, but, as with most things in life equilibrium should eventually be found (anyones guess as too how long that could tale though!)

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Bigw2069

Indeed, and to be honest I welcome, and was infact wanting some SENSIBLE replies from the entire spectrum which is why I said

I did not however ask to begin a hatespilling mindless slating on homosexuals. 'most' people seemed to understand this and take the post in the spirit it was intended, however you will always get somebody that takes it to the Nth degree.

Had the post been sensible and backed up then im sure you would not have got any hits on the report button.

But since the post was outwith the forum rules then im sure you cannot blame the members who have hit 'report post' for obiding to the Briskoda rules

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SkodiRS

You could start this as a Freedom Discussion thread....if you're a paid up member....and would have minimal if any moderation at all....that said Mil's post would still have be removed.

I'm of Chinese orgin but am BBC...British Born Chinese.

I do agree with a lot of what was said in the original post.
Feel quite strongly about illegal immigrants living off benefit...benefit which comes from my tax....whilst waiting to be deported, given asylum etc.

You cannot in any terms say that I am racist....my Wife is of Indian origin but from Trinidad.

I do think if you live in a country and become a legal citizen you should at least be able to speak the language. Religion is not an issue but lets not go down that route as it really does make my blood boil.

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ncarring

Well to some extent I agree with Mil. No matter how much gay people are entitled to respect and should not be treated as lesser individuals, their genetic makeup is presumably different to heterosexual people, and maybe one day they will evolve out of existence since they cannot reproduce - or the whole human race will (if we don't all kill each other first).

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spinndrift

It has gone too far.

I got into huge trouble at a cub camp a few years ago because the mother of one of my coloured cubs heard me talking about the dolly (wooden spike protector on old type tents) and accused me of calling her son a golly!!!!!

This mother was one of the ultra PC brigade and brought her son up to play the race card whenever possible. It caused no end of grief and all the leaders wanted to kick him out of the unit but that would have stirred his mother up even more.

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Mil

You know what? I'm kinda sick of the way everyone jumps in to put someone down, like myself, but I was only kidding and just wanted to see how everyone would react to something like that.

First off, the only race I truly despise are the Turks from mainland Turkey. I have my reasons for that and I have a history to follow with. I'm also fresh from the military, maybe this feeling will wear-out as I age. Other than that, I am a non-racist. I have friends from all over the world (except Turkey) and I love them all.

As for explanation? I'll give an explanation as to what I think about this whole homosexuality issue.

This is a purely racist world and always will be. I see it everyday and I've gotten used to it, although it is sickening. It's amazing the way everything works all around. Here, the arabs are king and look down upon the rest, and everywhere else, they are looked down upon. It will never stop.

Gay Parades? Show your pride in being gay? Personally I don't think it's something to be proud of but that's my view. I don't believe homosexuality is correct, nor the right way to go. That does not mean I would want homosexuals eliminated, regardless of what the earlier post said that everyone took so seriously. And I am not a homophobe. Phobia is a greek word which means 'fear'. I do not have a fear for the preference, I do not like it. I don't like the idea at all...it is in my opinion, very wrong. And as was said by BigW, if we were to have a heteropride parade of some sort, all those in the homosexual side of the hill, plus extremely open-minded people, will throw fire at us for showing our pride in being straight.

Now, if the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion is still valid, you will accept my opinion on the whole subject as I accept those I don't agree with. Not liking homosexuals does not make me a bad person, you don't know me well enough to judge me.

And as for that first post? As I said, it was a joke. Get over yourselves and take a damn chill pill.

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simon

Mil - If you didn't mean what you said then posting it was even more stupid!

You posted to get a reaction. This is the reaction. Deal with it. End of.....

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Tom_vRS

I have to say BigW, I totally agree. I understand and am totally behind "equality", but surely the segregation of such things as Radio1Extra just drives a bigger wedge between different races. In my mind, whats the big deal. I understand the politicians want everyone to be and feel the same, and I also understand that, especially with the older generations (my nan for one is REALLY racist ) that it is a big task. Maybe I am naive, but if everyone was left alone with no "Black history/Gay pride marches" etc shoved under our noses, perhaps everyone would be better off for it.

However - that by no means makes the subject of black history unintersting. It is, for sure of interest to the general public, so why not have the occassional documentary on Discovery (it would make a change from Hitler or Dolphins). And why isn't it incorporated into the National Curriculum? All I was taught about in GCSE History was WW2. Same for RE, all I was taught about was Chrisitanity. I fail to see the sense in it.

I live in rural Fenland, but I have studied in Cambridge, which is very (nicely ) ethnically diverse. In Fenland, 95% of people are white, yet, to me, people from other ethnic groups/races do not stand out, just another person. I do however get somewhat angered and embarassed when walking around with more narrowminded friends who often make totally racist comments such as "**** off home". This is their home ****wit, just like it is yours.

I think different groups are slowly becoming more widely accepted as normal, which is great. I think its something that will definitely be grown out as racism/being a homophobe become more widely socially unacceptable.

JMTPW, and not particularly well put across

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Mil

In my opinion it wasn't stupid. I brought the subject on hard and straight to the point instead of trying to bring it in slow.

I have dealt with the whole thing, I have not taken offense from anyone, because you are all my friends, friends I 'know' but have never met because you're all on the other side of the world.

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