Pram/pushchairs and babystuff

daiking · 30-10-2007, 13:55

Its time to buy a pushchairs/prams and I was looking for people's ownership experiences of different prams/pushchairs/systems. My buying criteria will be:

1. We're planning on having more than 1 sprog so we don't mind paying a bit more for something that'll last.

2. Storage will be an issue so we're looking to get a travel system rather than a pram now and a buggy/pushchair later.

3. Needs a proper carry cot to lie the baby flat so it can be used for longer periods and whilst away.

4. We live in a flat so the wife will need to be able to get baby AND pram up and down a flights of stairs with minimum kerfuffle and without leaving the baby rolling round on the landing.

5. Suitable for using on the bus.

6. Needs to be able to carry all the associated baby crap that swmbo will want to carry round.

Therefore, in homage to TRIZ, I need something thats big but small, light but strong, cheap but robust, simple but multi-functional.

Failing that, your opinions on the compromises you made would be appreciated.

ScoobyChris · 30-10-2007, 14:09

Best advice would be to go to Mothercare and try a few out and see what takes your fancy. They also let you practice folding them so it's a good opportunity to see how easy they are to do single handed and how heavy they are.

We bought a travel system that included a car seat and then slotted into a buggy. The buggy could then be used afterwards without the car seat when Jess was bigger. This was useful for the first few months, but I found myself just carrying the car seat around in most shops as it was much easier than having to navigate all the narrow aisles with a buggy.

Jess had a moses basket until she grew out of it when we bought a travel cot. The travel cot is much easier to transport as it collapses and it isn't too heavy/awkward to carry round. I'd probably invest in one of these sooner.

Chris

daiking · 30-10-2007, 14:23

Have done that and the one we've got our eye on is a bit marmite - people either love it or hate it.

ZootyRS · 30-10-2007, 14:46

We got a Jane Powertrack system back when they were fairly new to the UK market (everyone has one now

) It's done us well through two children.

The main driver was the very light frame. We checked out loads and my wife was happiest with that frame. I don't particularly like the look of the 3-wheelers, but there you go...

The other major draw was the carrycot that can be used in the car. This was invaluable with our firstborn for longer trips away. We used it less for the second because it was hard to position in properly with a second car seat in the back, and crash-test reports etc seem to be less positive about this design. The carrycot is narrow though, so not much stretching room for baby, so we stopped using it as a travel bed fairly early on.

The Rebel rear-facing seat that goes with the Jane is small and light, so is very good for lugging around shops etc.

It then converts into a pushchair which still fits our 4 year old.

Downsides:
3-wheelers don't fold up particularly small. The rear wheels on the Jane are quick release which saves you some space... and if you're packing the boot tight for a holiday then you can loosen and re-align the front wheel assembly to make things more compact. It does take up space though

You'll almost certainly find yourself getting an umbrella buggy at some point as well. Much smaller and ideal for leaving in the boot.

daiking · 31-10-2007, 08:21

daiking · 06-06-2008, 12:07

My Bugaboo Chameleon is doing very well, some feedback:

The wife has found it manageable to split and lift up and down the stairs. Only had one frantic phone call when she couldn't work the unfolding mechanism.

It splits and folds into a strange shape but as long as my boot is empty it'll go in straight away. Depending on what you also want to carry depends on the amount of dismantling you need to do but even I can fit in a monster suitcase plus full pram with room to spare if you take the chassis fully apart. Mines only a 350litre boot so an Octy should be better but a fabia would be ballache on a regular basis. I'm hoping that whe he's old enoguh to go into the buggy version, the seat takes up a lot less space than the carrycot.

The underpram storage is tricky to use with the carrycot bit in place but its a handy size also useful that you can use the car seat on the chassis.

Nice and light and manouverable to use. Both grandmothers were impressed by how easy it was to push compared to what they had 25yrs ago.

Wife took it off road at Tatton Park a few weeks ago and it came back stinking. 30 second job to pop off all the wheels, wash them down in the bath and leave them to dry.

Going on hols soon but we haven't got the the travel bag. The plan is to go to the airport with the baby in the carseat on the chassis and have the pram bit dismantled and packed in the suitcase. That way we get to take our own car seat and the fully functioning pram. I've not seen another pram that's so easy to do that with. When I say hols I mean 4-5 weeks with the in laws so its a bit too long to make do with just the car seat as a pram.

Criticisms:

The big wheels stick out far more than you'd think and it takes a while to stop crashing into doors and furniture - when new the tyres make a lovely pattern on you paint work

The finish on the aluminium frame marks very easily, especially as swmbo (destroyer of machines) uses it far more than I. Its just cosmetic but its a little scruffy after only 3 months. Saying that, it does get a lot of use going up and down stairs, folding and opening, on the bus etc, that most people might not subject it to.

Similarly, some of the plastic parts are a little exposed and when folding/unfolding its easy to scrap them on the floor, again just cosmetic damage but I don't think we'll be selling ours used for much money the way she's going.

Also when doing the folding thind the underpram bag seems to hang upside down, which isn't ideal. Not figured that out yet.

The changing bag if you get it is functionally good but the strap fittings are not great and we've already returned one becasue the strap stitching was becoming undone - I'm pretty sure its a design fault not a user fault.

The criticisms are just niggles really but for the price it wouldn't take many little features just to improve it.

There's a 2008 facelift one now - the adjustable handle and folding mechanism seems to have been made easier to use but other wise looks the same.

fatty5000 · 06-06-2008, 12:17

Cheers Dai

Sound like ours will have the **** kicked out of it then as my missus is like a bull in a china shop .....lol

Thanks for the mini review.

I'll add to it when I've run mine in

Lummox · 06-06-2008, 12:21

If I could offer one piece of advice it would be you dont have to spend a fortune. My sister had a full Mammas and Pappas set for my niece, its bi, cumbersome and awkard to use.

We bought a Mothercare Atlan travel system (its made by Graco) this system is a few years old now but has most stuff you need. They have updated the set every year, new trim etc. the whole set cost £130 and did Evie up until she was 18 months or so. We did buy a bigger car seat a while back. And when they get older a lighter buggy is very handy. The set comes with a very good and portable buggy (that the supplied car seat fits into), a car seat, base (which works like an ISO fix but uses a belt) changing bag and a few other handy bits.

**TaviaRS** · 06-06-2008, 12:24

We have a Phil & Teds Sport. Fits in the boot of the SLK. Can be truned in to a 2 seater. We have the carry cot insert (Cocoon) to go with it and used that when away and nipper was littler than he is now. Got him the sleeping bag too. Great for off path walks and nicely made.

Highly recommend it!

NEW Phil & Ted's Sport 3-wheeler pushchair - Red : mothercare

push - sport single buggy

Phil & Ted's Sport Buggy Stroller Deomonstration/Review - AOL Video

[ EDIT ] It certainly is robust! Not a mark on it after 7 months of use, with 2 or 3 off road walks in the Peak District per week. Little un falls asleep in it too which is a bonus

daiking · 06-06-2008, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

Sound like ours will have the **** kicked out of it then as my missus is like a bull in a china shop .....lol

Same as mine then. So far its just cosmetic and physically it seems to be holding up to the abuse without any problems.

ap0gee · 06-06-2008, 13:29

I'll put in my 2ps as well, then:

We have a Britax Vigour 3 / Cosy Tot travel system. It sounds as though it doesn't fold down as small as some of the others mentioned, but it can be folded down small enough to fit in the boot of either of or Fabias without any kind of dismantling (although we have to leave the parcel shelf in the garage as it only folds down, not across)

Apart from a couple of punctures, it's pretty much as we bought it. The frame is anodised and hasn't marked, and the fabric's extremely tough. In fact, the only damage it's sustained is on the piping for the car seat hood (where it's rubbed against the back of the front seat), and the foam handlebar, where SWMBO's engagement ring has worn it away a bit where's it's spun so the stones are on the palm side of her hand. Oh, and two of the carry cot feet broke off when SWMBO slammed the boot lid on them, although I was pleased that all the bits were bolted together rather than clipped / riveted, so I was able to take it apart, put in a couple of slivers of chipboard and carry on as before!

The ISOFIX base for the car seat works well (very similar to the Maxi-Cosi one for the Bugaboo, I'm sure), and it's nice to know how secure everything is. It took a few minutes to set up so that the car seat wasn't tilted too far, but it stays 'as set' when transferring between cars.

We liked how the car seat fitted in brackets on the frame rather than sitting within the pushchair seat, and how the carry cot and pushchair seat could be fitted facing either direction (although she's long grown out of the carry cot, and doesn't sit facing forwards yet!) It may be a subjective thing, but it looks pretty hardcore compared to the others mentioned, which we also looked at. Primarily, having 10" / 12" pneumatic wheels all-round has meant it's been plenty capable of coping with any terrain we've thrown at it, whereas other ones we looked at with wheelchair-type front wheels seemed completely fazed by cobbles and rutted tracks.

We don't like how the hood for the car seat doesn't stay up very well (less of an issue as she only sits in it in the car now, and seems to have been addressed in the current design), and arguably how it doesn't fold as small as we'd like - however if the trade-off is the durability we've already mentioned, then we're happy to put up with the extra hassle. Day-to-day, we have a dog guard so we can stack a few things on top of it without fear of them falling onto Ap0gee Jr if we have to brake suddenly, and we've got a roof box for when we go on holiday (cheaper and more justifiable than a new car!)

Anyway, that's all I can think of...

[edit] Thought of something else: the tilt of the pushchair seat adjusts with a lever like a bike's brake lever rather than having to slacken / tighten knobs on either side. SWMBO's hands are in a bad way since Ap0gee Jr was born, and this has been a godsend! [/edit]

daiking · 06-06-2008, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ap0gee

Primarily, having 10" / 12" pneumatic wheels all-round has meant it's been plenty capable of coping with any terrain we've thrown at it, whereas other ones we looked at with wheelchair-type front wheels seemed completely fazed by cobbles and rutted tracks.

Not sure if all the wheelchair wheel config prams are the same but on the 'boo you swizz the handle round so that you are pushing the big wheels at the front which massively improves the rough stuff handling.

Can't wait to take it on greek beaches and use the "chariot" configuration.

I never went for an ISO-fix base for the maxi cosi. He's only in the car 2 or 3 times a week and we're both now capable of fitting the seat properly with the seatbelt in a matter of seconds.

fatty5000 · 06-06-2008, 13:44

We got the maxi cosi cabrio as well, then once it's time for an upgrade I'm going for this to match the octy interior

Recaro Young Expert Plus Black Silver Child Car Seat from Halfords Price £158.99 Extra 10% Off All Child Seats

ap0gee · 06-06-2008, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

We got the maxi cosi cabrio as well, then once it's time for an upgrade I'm going for this to match the octy interior

Recaro Young Expert Plus Black Silver Child Car Seat from Halfords Price £158.99 Extra 10% Off All Child Seats

I'm liking that!

Ours is sitting up happily on her own, so we may be getting a forward-facing seat very soon!

fatty5000 · 06-06-2008, 14:03

I know it is nice, I never thought I could get so excited about a car seat .......lol

Johnny50 · 06-06-2008, 15:40

We opted for this when my daughter was born.

Urban Detour Xtreme 3-wheeler travel system - Silver Grey : mothercare

It was great, 18 months old now, and we still use the buggy part everyday when out.

Really light to push (although it's heavy to lift)
Only thing we've needed is a set of tyres, as they wore down quick as it does a lot of miles through woods, beach etc everyday.
Fitted in the Ocatvia nicely, but wont go in the fabia withough parcel shelf out.

SCVRS · 07-06-2008, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

We got the maxi cosi cabrio as well, then once it's time for an upgrade I'm going for this to match the octy interior

Recaro Young Expert Plus Black Silver Child Car Seat from Halfords Price £158.99 Extra 10% Off All Child Seats

I have got the newborn version of this seat, the Young Profi Plus in Black/Silver to match the vRS interior! I intend to upgrade to the Young Expert when necessary.

I also have a Bugaboo Cameleon, although can't say what any of it is like as the baby won't be born for a few weeks yet (hopefully!!!)

gilesk · 09-06-2008, 10:08

I got the Bugaboo Frog with the maxi cosi cabrio and the iso fix base, apart from the base weighing a ton the system works really well, the wife takes it out everyday into serious mud and countryside and it stands up well, we are coming back to the UK this week and will be bringing the frame and the car seat only, I would highly recommend this combo.

matt@theforce · 09-06-2008, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny50

We opted for this when my daughter was born.

Urban Detour Xtreme 3-wheeler travel system - Silver Grey : mothercare

It was great, 18 months old now, and we still use the buggy part everyday when out.

Really light to push (although it's heavy to lift)
Only thing we've needed is a set of tyres, as they wore down quick as it does a lot of miles through woods, beach etc everyday.
Fitted in the Ocatvia nicely, but wont go in the fabia withough parcel shelf out.

Another vote for the Mothercare Urban Detour. Our's has lasted many miles and 2 children. I found that if you took one rear wheel off you could stand it on its side with the parcelshelf in the octi hatch and it seemed to fit in the octi hatch much better than it fits into the estate. (when also trying to fit the dog in there too)

ap0gee · 04-07-2008, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatty5000

We got the maxi cosi cabrio as well, then once it's time for an upgrade I'm going for this to match the octy interior

Recaro Young Expert Plus Black Silver Child Car Seat from Halfords Price £158.99 Extra 10% Off All Child Seats

Just spotted this at a certain site sponsor's shop - dunno what the difference is between the 'Sport' and the 'Expert', but it's certainly got my interest!

skomaz · 04-07-2008, 13:10

WE've got an XTS Twister off-road three wheeler and over the last 4 years and two kids it's been excellent./ Both have loved it and the smooth ride the suspension gives (I'm not kidding it has proper coilovers and dampers...)

skomaz · 04-07-2008, 13:10

WE've got an XTS Twister off-road three wheeler and over the last 4 years and two kids it's been excellent./ Both have loved it and the smooth ride the suspension gives (I'm not kidding it has proper coilovers and dampers...)Piccie

cheezemonkhai · 04-07-2008, 13:46

For what it is worth, I remember WW_VRS saying he had a new baby travel system that he was looking to sell.

I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but it might be worth dropping him a PM

30-10-2007, 14:09	#2
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,196 Members Car: Fiat Panda Thanks: 15 Thanked 336 Times in 290 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff Best advice would be to go to Mothercare and try a few out and see what takes your fancy. They also let you practice folding them so it's a good opportunity to see how easy they are to do single handed and how heavy they are. We bought a travel system that included a car seat and then slotted into a buggy. The buggy could then be used afterwards without the car seat when Jess was bigger. This was useful for the first few months, but I found myself just carrying the car seat around in most shops as it was much easier than having to navigate all the narrow aisles with a buggy. Jess had a moses basket until she grew out of it when we bought a travel cot. The travel cot is much easier to transport as it collapses and it isn't too heavy/awkward to carry round. I'd probably invest in one of these sooner. Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

30-10-2007, 14:46	#4
ZootyRS Frustrated Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: It's grim Posts: 1,948 Members Car: Passat by day, Octy RS by night Thanks: 18 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff We got a Jane Powertrack system back when they were fairly new to the UK market (everyone has one now ) It's done us well through two children. The main driver was the very light frame. We checked out loads and my wife was happiest with that frame. I don't particularly like the look of the 3-wheelers, but there you go... The other major draw was the carrycot that can be used in the car. This was invaluable with our firstborn for longer trips away. We used it less for the second because it was hard to position in properly with a second car seat in the back, and crash-test reports etc seem to be less positive about this design. The carrycot is narrow though, so not much stretching room for baby, so we stopped using it as a travel bed fairly early on. The Rebel rear-facing seat that goes with the Jane is small and light, so is very good for lugging around shops etc. It then converts into a pushchair which still fits our 4 year old. Downsides: 3-wheelers don't fold up particularly small. The rear wheels on the Jane are quick release which saves you some space... and if you're packing the boot tight for a holiday then you can loosen and re-align the front wheel assembly to make things more compact. It does take up space though You'll almost certainly find yourself getting an umbrella buggy at some point as well. Much smaller and ideal for leaving in the boot. __________________ My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal

31-10-2007, 08:21	#5
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06-06-2008, 12:17	#7
fatty5000 Why So Serious Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: "What" ...What ain't no god damn country Posts: 5,577 Members Car: a car Thanks: 272 Thanked 202 Times in 183 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff Cheers Dai Sound like ours will have the **** kicked out of it then as my missus is like a bull in a china shop .....lol Thanks for the mini review. I'll add to it when I've run mine in __________________

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06-06-2008, 12:24	#9
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff We have a Phil & Teds Sport. Fits in the boot of the SLK. Can be truned in to a 2 seater. We have the carry cot insert (Cocoon) to go with it and used that when away and nipper was littler than he is now. Got him the sleeping bag too. Great for off path walks and nicely made. Highly recommend it! NEW Phil & Ted's Sport 3-wheeler pushchair - Red : mothercare push - sport single buggy Phil & Ted's Sport Buggy Stroller Deomonstration/Review - AOL Video [ EDIT ] It certainly is robust! Not a mark on it after 7 months of use, with 2 or 3 off road walks in the Peak District per week. Little un falls asleep in it too which is a bonus __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays Last edited by TaviaRS; 06-06-2008 at 13:36.

06-06-2008, 13:29	#11
ap0gee ASZ Eternal Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Leafy Chesh-shire Posts: 6,866 Members Car: Black Magic Fabia vRS Thanks: 347 Thanked 367 Times in 318 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff I'll put in my 2ps as well, then: We have a Britax Vigour 3 / Cosy Tot travel system. It sounds as though it doesn't fold down as small as some of the others mentioned, but it can be folded down small enough to fit in the boot of either of or Fabias without any kind of dismantling (although we have to leave the parcel shelf in the garage as it only folds down, not across) Apart from a couple of punctures, it's pretty much as we bought it. The frame is anodised and hasn't marked, and the fabric's extremely tough. In fact, the only damage it's sustained is on the piping for the car seat hood (where it's rubbed against the back of the front seat), and the foam handlebar, where SWMBO's engagement ring has worn it away a bit where's it's spun so the stones are on the palm side of her hand. Oh, and two of the carry cot feet broke off when SWMBO slammed the boot lid on them, although I was pleased that all the bits were bolted together rather than clipped / riveted, so I was able to take it apart, put in a couple of slivers of chipboard and carry on as before! The ISOFIX base for the car seat works well (very similar to the Maxi-Cosi one for the Bugaboo, I'm sure), and it's nice to know how secure everything is. It took a few minutes to set up so that the car seat wasn't tilted too far, but it stays 'as set' when transferring between cars. We liked how the car seat fitted in brackets on the frame rather than sitting within the pushchair seat, and how the carry cot and pushchair seat could be fitted facing either direction (although she's long grown out of the carry cot, and doesn't sit facing forwards yet!) It may be a subjective thing, but it looks pretty hardcore compared to the others mentioned, which we also looked at. Primarily, having 10" / 12" pneumatic wheels all-round has meant it's been plenty capable of coping with any terrain we've thrown at it, whereas other ones we looked at with wheelchair-type front wheels seemed completely fazed by cobbles and rutted tracks. We don't like how the hood for the car seat doesn't stay up very well (less of an issue as she only sits in it in the car now, and seems to have been addressed in the current design), and arguably how it doesn't fold as small as we'd like - however if the trade-off is the durability we've already mentioned, then we're happy to put up with the extra hassle. Day-to-day, we have a dog guard so we can stack a few things on top of it without fear of them falling onto Ap0gee Jr if we have to brake suddenly, and we've got a roof box for when we go on holiday (cheaper and more justifiable than a new car!) Anyway, that's all I can think of... [edit] Thought of something else: the tilt of the pushchair seat adjusts with a lever like a bike's brake lever rather than having to slacken / tighten knobs on either side. SWMBO's hands are in a bad way since Ap0gee Jr was born, and this has been a godsend! [/edit] __________________

06-06-2008, 13:44	#13
fatty5000 Why So Serious Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: "What" ...What ain't no god damn country Posts: 5,577 Members Car: a car Thanks: 272 Thanked 202 Times in 183 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff We got the maxi cosi cabrio as well, then once it's time for an upgrade I'm going for this to match the octy interior Recaro Young Expert Plus Black Silver Child Car Seat from Halfords Price £158.99 Extra 10% Off All Child Seats __________________

06-06-2008, 14:03	#15
fatty5000 Why So Serious Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: "What" ...What ain't no god damn country Posts: 5,577 Members Car: a car Thanks: 272 Thanked 202 Times in 183 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff I know it is nice, I never thought I could get so excited about a car seat .......lol __________________

06-06-2008, 15:40	#16
Johnny50 Here's Johnny ! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,469 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 262 Thanked 174 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff We opted for this when my daughter was born. Urban Detour Xtreme 3-wheeler travel system - Silver Grey : mothercare It was great, 18 months old now, and we still use the buggy part everyday when out. Really light to push (although it's heavy to lift) Only thing we've needed is a set of tyres, as they wore down quick as it does a lot of miles through woods, beach etc everyday. Fitted in the Ocatvia nicely, but wont go in the fabia withough parcel shelf out.

09-06-2008, 10:08	#18
gilesk MadridBriskodia Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,044 Members Car: Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff I got the Bugaboo Frog with the maxi cosi cabrio and the iso fix base, apart from the base weighing a ton the system works really well, the wife takes it out everyday into serious mud and countryside and it stands up well, we are coming back to the UK this week and will be bringing the frame and the car seat only, I would highly recommend this combo. __________________ who'd have thought it eh?

04-07-2008, 13:10	#21
skomaz Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sheffield Posts: 958 Members Car: Octy TDi 4x4 Estate, Fabia TDi Estate & lightly modified Mazda MX5 1.8iS Thanks: 0 Thanked 44 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff WE've got an XTS Twister off-road three wheeler and over the last 4 years and two kids it's been excellent./ Both have loved it and the smooth ride the suspension gives (I'm not kidding it has proper coilovers and dampers...) __________________ If everything was as reliable as a VW... My Skoda would be at the bottom of the JD Power tables! Octavia II 2.0 TDi 4x4 Estate and Fabia I 1.9 TDi Estate and Modified Mk1 Mazda MX-5 1.8iS

04-07-2008, 13:46	#23
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,634 Members Car: Thanks: 113 Thanked 518 Times in 481 Posts	Re: Pram/pushchairs and babystuff For what it is worth, I remember WW_VRS saying he had a new baby travel system that he was looking to sell. I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but it might be worth dropping him a PM __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.