sleeping patterns......

Gwilo · 02-10-2005, 06:25

my sleeping used to be a solid 8 hours, like a log. nothing could wake me, aside from a direct nudging in the ribs, that sort of thing.
those days are gone it seems.
erratic & disturbed sleep seems to be my "norm" now, being luck to get 6 hours of broken sleep.
still, i'm fairly functioning. yet all i want to do is sleep. i'm usually in bed by 9 or earlier these days.
wondered if this is some sort of response to grieving. i'd ask counsellor, but as i've not found one/been assigned one yet.....(no one at the local Cruse centre, just a recording till monday)....

Tom_vRS · 02-10-2005, 07:47

I too am used to being an 8 hour a night kind of guy whos wake up call was next door neighbour banging on my front door because my alarm has woken him up but not me!

I tend to be really restless in the evenings now, often not falling asleep for 2 or 3 hours, and I really don't know why.

Gwilo · 02-10-2005, 09:12

think about when you started having trouble sleeping.
don't suppose you're a big coffee drinker? (though i slept really well when i was doing 10+ cups a day....

)

WW_VRS · 02-10-2005, 10:05

I have a fair bit of caffeine in the morning (coffee) - I force myself not to have any after midday. Seems to at least allow me to sleep. If it is one of those very, very long days (10+ hours working) I sometimes have a can of coke to boost me up a little, but I really do try to avoid it

heresmo · 02-10-2005, 13:06

FWIW Apparently we sleep by "catching a train" in two hour slots. The Chinese relate this to the fact that they believe that the body does its stuff over night in sequence, i.e. stomach, kidneys etc. Thus if you miss the train at 10 pm, it will be 12 pm before the next time slot, timed of course to your body's rhythms.

Again FWIW I wake up about every two hours and have since sproglet required feeding, so drift in an out, but for me that's no bad thing since it nicely interrupts any bad dreams I'm having. Then again, a "sink into" pillow (or two) is probably the best investment, with a warm flannalette pillowcase, whether feather other. Also having the radio on, low enough to hear well enough to listen and take your mind away from your circling thoughts, but not loud enough to hear properly (if you see what I mean).

Also, the radio bridges the gap between the standard of noise level your brain is used to during the day, as against total silence at night.

Also, if you keep thinking that you need to remember something in the morning, reach out and turn your slipper upside down. Doesn't tell you what, but easier than switching the light on for pen and paper jobby.

Just my thoughts.
Best regards
Mo

Moose · 02-10-2005, 13:15

I find it hard to get a sleep pattern, but thats because I work nights and then at the weekend I have to suddenly adjust to 'normal' peoples sleeping hours. It leaves me tired on a saturday evening (I finish for the weekend at 7am), so can't go out even if I wanted. And then I sleep badly, so eventually wake up at 1pm on sunday. Then I'd be ok for sunday night but have to stay awake monday night for work. It then takes a couple of days to get back into the swing.

Plans are afoot though which means I should be doing something very worthwhile on friday and saturday nights.

Turbostream · 02-10-2005, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by heresmo

Also, the radio bridges the gap between the standard of noise level your brain is used to during the day, as against total silence at night.

I use the radio to help me sleep, radio 4 or 5 on a 90 min timer, in fact if I dont have a radio by the bed then I can't sleep.

Clarey · 02-10-2005, 15:37

I know it doesn't help but:

Have you ever thought of working shifts? If you are going to be awake during the night, you could atleast be getting paid!

My favourite shift out of 0600-1400, 1400-2200 and 2200-0600 is the last one. I dont use an alarm clock all week!

Moose · 02-10-2005, 15:41

Phil, what do you do sleep wise at weekends though? That does mess things up for me and it'd be nice to hear if you have a good idea I can try.

Clarey · 02-10-2005, 16:11

Moose,
I agree its difficult at weekends.
Our nights week runs sunday night to friday morning, finish at 4am. I usually get up around 10:30-11:00am, then try and get into a normal pattern of bed before midnight, unless having a night out!
I also work a lot of overtime 6am-1pm sat/sun (have done today, just had a snooze till 15:30

) It seems to help working 60-70 hours a week, as i'm knackered enough to sleep as and when i get chance.
Sunday is the hardest work 6am-1pm, then sleep 2pm-6pm, then have roast dinner, watch tv/internet before back to work at 10pm til 6am! Usually sleep like a log monday, and starts the rest of the week off well.

Some people swear by having a drink(alcoholic) to help them sleep, i have found the exact opposite and not drinking at all is best for me.

Turbostream · 02-10-2005, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarey

Moose,
I agree its difficult at weekends.
Our nights week runs sunday night to friday morning, finish at 4am. I usually get up around 10:30-11:00am, then try and get into a normal pattern of bed before midnight, unless having a night out!
I also work a lot of overtime 6am-1pm sat/sun (have done today, just had a snooze till 15:30

) It seems to help working 60-70 hours a week, as i'm knackered enough to sleep as and when i get chance.
Sunday is the hardest work 6am-1pm, then sleep 2pm-6pm, then have roast dinner, watch tv/internet before back to work at 10pm til 6am! Usually sleep like a log monday, and starts the rest of the week off well.

Some people swear by having a drink(alcoholic) to help them sleep, i have found the exact opposite and not drinking at all is best for me.

Flippin ech! No sure I could do that, when I did nights we did 9pm - 6am monday to thursday (finish friday morning) and that was bad enough. Slept like a baby on friday, I could never get up at 11am so slept till 2-230.
Then I was so knackered by 9pm I went back to bed, then was up at 2-3am sat morning usually surfing the web.
I was glad to get back on double day shifts after the three yrs I did em.

WW_VRS · 02-10-2005, 20:09

Most patterns are actually 3 hours long, roughly, but it does vary a tad

As for alcohol - it will make you sleepy but the type of sleep you'll get is not the same as a 'healthy' sleeping session. It is not ideal for sure.

I do 70+ hours/week at the moment, so I have to be very careful to get sufficient sleep etc - all good fun

MissPiggy · 02-10-2005, 20:21

somehow i dont think gwilo is gonna be getting alot of sleep tonight!!

he has allready drank 4 litres of coke and is compltly high!! he is currently driving aroudna council estate trying to remember where his mate lives but keeps on parking up outside different houses! he is then going to spend the night drinking whiskey!!!

WW_VRS · 02-10-2005, 20:44

Hmm have a feeling he'd be better off easing off a tad on both the coke & the whiskey

Each to their own though

jifster · 02-10-2005, 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbostream

I use the radio to help me sleep, radio 4 or 5 on a 90 min timer, in fact if I dont have a radio by the bed then I can't sleep.

Same here, had a Sony 7600g on or by the bed for years. Any radio with a timer is great and although I like listening to Talk Sport at night it has annoyingly loud and musical adverts so end up listening to Radio 4 or 5 also.

I too can't sleep without it, it's nice to know i'm not the only one.

gallego1968 · 03-10-2005, 05:28

For the last month or so, my sleeping has got worse. I used to be able to go to bed at 10pm and not wake untill 6am. Now it doesn`t matter what time i go to bed i`m fully awake a 4.30am, or if i wake up to go to the loo i can`t get back to sleep.
This is now winding me up, i want to be able to sleep longer.

Gwilo · 03-10-2005, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissPiggy

somehow i dont think gwilo is gonna be getting alot of sleep tonight!!

he has allready drank 4 litres of coke and is compltly high!! he is currently driving aroudna council estate trying to remember where his mate lives but keeps on parking up outside different houses! he is then going to spend the night drinking whiskey!!!

lol.

now now.......
i was hyper on the coke. the whisky was the "downer" tactic. which worked rather well. a little too well.......

body suffering from sever drop in caffiene levels.
mate left a note for me this morning that simply said "elephants on/in a small cupboard"

Apparently, I was singing about this several times last night, down the phone as well

before the whisky, in case anyone thinks i was off my face on booze.
It all went downhill after that, as I just remember being terribly emotional on my mates couch at some point before going to sleep.

I only vaguely remember the pre-alchohol events, but no doubt anyone who encountered me last night will take great delight and "reminding" me.

lozgti · 03-10-2005, 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by heresmo

Again FWIW I wake up about every two hours and have since sproglet required feeding,Mo

All change for me since little ones came together with four hour feed intervals

No alarm clock needed any more!

Probably get more sleep now than ever surprisingly,albeit interrupted.Bed has become a Godsend as opposed to worrying about going to bed (bit of an insomniac).

Gwilo,you need to get someone pregnant

(1.00am feed is a killer though

)

Gwilo · 03-10-2005, 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by lozgti

Gwilo,you need to get someone pregnant

(1.00am feed is a killer though

)

Let's not even joke about that.

1am.........only an hour earlier then I tend to be waking anyway.....

ag.morley · 03-10-2005, 10:11

I work shifts. Up some mornings at 4am not home some nights till 1am,depending on shift. Done this for over 25 years and still get disterbed sleep pattens. I also think eating doesn't help. When you work shifts you are eating the wrong sort of food at the wrong time this can have an effect on your sleep patterns

Dragon · 03-10-2005, 11:11

I normally only sleep 6 hours max, i can't sleep any longer than that for some funny reason. If i did i normally feel really crap.

02-10-2005, 06:25	#1
Gwilo Undercover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,689 Members Car: Rustwagon Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	sleeping patterns...... my sleeping used to be a solid 8 hours, like a log. nothing could wake me, aside from a direct nudging in the ribs, that sort of thing. those days are gone it seems. erratic & disturbed sleep seems to be my "norm" now, being luck to get 6 hours of broken sleep. still, i'm fairly functioning. yet all i want to do is sleep. i'm usually in bed by 9 or earlier these days. wondered if this is some sort of response to grieving. i'd ask counsellor, but as i've not found one/been assigned one yet.....(no one at the local Cruse centre, just a recording till monday).... __________________

02-10-2005, 07:47	#2
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,561 Members Car: '97R BMW 328i Saloon Thanks: 679 Thanked 435 Times in 312 Posts	I too am used to being an 8 hour a night kind of guy whos wake up call was next door neighbour banging on my front door because my alarm has woken him up but not me! I tend to be really restless in the evenings now, often not falling asleep for 2 or 3 hours, and I really don't know why. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green.

02-10-2005, 09:12	#3
Gwilo Undercover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,689 Members Car: Rustwagon Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	think about when you started having trouble sleeping. don't suppose you're a big coffee drinker? (though i slept really well when i was doing 10+ cups a day.... ) __________________

02-10-2005, 10:05	#4
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,864 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	I have a fair bit of caffeine in the morning (coffee) - I force myself not to have any after midday. Seems to at least allow me to sleep. If it is one of those very, very long days (10+ hours working) I sometimes have a can of coke to boost me up a little, but I really do try to avoid it __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

02-10-2005, 13:15	#6
Moose Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I'm a monkey from outer space, woooooooo ahhhhhhhhh hehe hooohaa Posts: 4,938 Members Car: None Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I find it hard to get a sleep pattern, but thats because I work nights and then at the weekend I have to suddenly adjust to 'normal' peoples sleeping hours. It leaves me tired on a saturday evening (I finish for the weekend at 7am), so can't go out even if I wanted. And then I sleep badly, so eventually wake up at 1pm on sunday. Then I'd be ok for sunday night but have to stay awake monday night for work. It then takes a couple of days to get back into the swing. Plans are afoot though which means I should be doing something very worthwhile on friday and saturday nights. __________________ Sunlight Silver MX-5 1.8 Sport

02-10-2005, 13:06	#5
heresmo Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,567 Members Car: Thanks: 50 Thanked 144 Times in 124 Posts	FWIW Apparently we sleep by "catching a train" in two hour slots. The Chinese relate this to the fact that they believe that the body does its stuff over night in sequence, i.e. stomach, kidneys etc. Thus if you miss the train at 10 pm, it will be 12 pm before the next time slot, timed of course to your body's rhythms. Again FWIW I wake up about every two hours and have since sproglet required feeding, so drift in an out, but for me that's no bad thing since it nicely interrupts any bad dreams I'm having. Then again, a "sink into" pillow (or two) is probably the best investment, with a warm flannalette pillowcase, whether feather other. Also having the radio on, low enough to hear well enough to listen and take your mind away from your circling thoughts, but not loud enough to hear properly (if you see what I mean). Also, the radio bridges the gap between the standard of noise level your brain is used to during the day, as against total silence at night. Also, if you keep thinking that you need to remember something in the morning, reach out and turn your slipper upside down. Doesn't tell you what, but easier than switching the light on for pen and paper jobby. Just my thoughts. Best regards Mo

02-10-2005, 15:37	#8
Clarey Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 405 Members Car: skoda Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	I know it doesn't help but: Have you ever thought of working shifts? If you are going to be awake during the night, you could atleast be getting paid! My favourite shift out of 0600-1400, 1400-2200 and 2200-0600 is the last one. I dont use an alarm clock all week! __________________ Cheers, Phil.

02-10-2005, 15:41	#9
Moose Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: I'm a monkey from outer space, woooooooo ahhhhhhhhh hehe hooohaa Posts: 4,938 Members Car: None Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Phil, what do you do sleep wise at weekends though? That does mess things up for me and it'd be nice to hear if you have a good idea I can try. __________________ Sunlight Silver MX-5 1.8 Sport

02-10-2005, 16:11	#10
Clarey Briskodian Join Date: May 2003 Location: Warrington, Cheshire Posts: 405 Members Car: skoda Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Moose, I agree its difficult at weekends. Our nights week runs sunday night to friday morning, finish at 4am. I usually get up around 10:30-11:00am, then try and get into a normal pattern of bed before midnight, unless having a night out! I also work a lot of overtime 6am-1pm sat/sun (have done today, just had a snooze till 15:30) It seems to help working 60-70 hours a week, as i'm knackered enough to sleep as and when i get chance. Sunday is the hardest work 6am-1pm, then sleep 2pm-6pm, then have roast dinner, watch tv/internet before back to work at 10pm til 6am! Usually sleep like a log monday, and starts the rest of the week off well. Some people swear by having a drink(alcoholic) to help them sleep, i have found the exact opposite and not drinking at all is best for me. __________________ Cheers, Phil.

02-10-2005, 20:09	#12
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,864 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	Most patterns are actually 3 hours long, roughly, but it does vary a tad As for alcohol - it will make you sleepy but the type of sleep you'll get is not the same as a 'healthy' sleeping session. It is not ideal for sure. I do 70+ hours/week at the moment, so I have to be very careful to get sufficient sleep etc - all good fun __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

02-10-2005, 20:21	#13
MissPiggy Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 7,191 Members Car: fabia 2 Thanks: 24 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	somehow i dont think gwilo is gonna be getting alot of sleep tonight!! he has allready drank 4 litres of coke and is compltly high!! he is currently driving aroudna council estate trying to remember where his mate lives but keeps on parking up outside different houses! he is then going to spend the night drinking whiskey!!!

02-10-2005, 20:44	#14
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,864 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 85 Times in 75 Posts	Hmm have a feeling he'd be better off easing off a tad on both the coke & the whiskey Each to their own though __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

03-10-2005, 05:28	#16
gallego1968 Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 468 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	For the last month or so, my sleeping has got worse. I used to be able to go to bed at 10pm and not wake untill 6am. Now it doesn`t matter what time i go to bed i`m fully awake a 4.30am, or if i wake up to go to the loo i can`t get back to sleep. This is now winding me up, i want to be able to sleep longer. __________________ 2002 Fabia 1.4 16v 100bhp 2006 Gilera Nexus 500

03-10-2005, 10:11	#20
ag.morley Insecure Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: right on track........ Posts: 4,944 Members Car: Volvo 2.4 T SE XC70 Auto running on LPG Thanks: 14 Thanked 79 Times in 33 Posts	I work shifts. Up some mornings at 4am not home some nights till 1am,depending on shift. Done this for over 25 years and still get disterbed sleep pattens. I also think eating doesn't help. When you work shifts you are eating the wrong sort of food at the wrong time this can have an effect on your sleep patterns __________________ I now own a Volvo 2.4T Automatic V70 XC 4 wheel drive, Estate, running on LPG......In a Lovely shade of Gold---THE BATTLE TANK "BRISKOLVO ".......THE UK'S ONLY MEMBER......." IT'S THE WAY FORWARD "

03-10-2005, 11:11	#21
Dragon Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Portsmouth. Posts: 11 Members Car: Yellow Octavia VRS Hatchback and Toyota Supra Twin Turbo Manual. Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I normally only sleep 6 hours max, i can't sleep any longer than that for some funny reason. If i did i normally feel really crap. __________________ Skoda Octavia vRS in Lemon Yellow - my cool everyday car Toyota Supra RZ Twin Turbo Manual in Met Purple - my mad fast toy

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