Octygone

But it's OK it's only the ones who deliver to shell garages

Fuel Crisis: Talks To Avoid Petrol Tanker Drivers Strike In Dispute Over Pay |Sky News|Business

so I suppose everyone will go out and panic buy and guess what .....fuel prices will go up again

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VRStu

Only got half a tank of liquid gold as well so I suppose I'll have to join the fiasco at sme stage.

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Tomo1971

Get this, they have been offered over 6% pay rise (thats more than inflation) but they want 13%, yes THIRTEEN PERCENT.

Now, call me scinical but if they do get the 13% then that will increase costs to the employers. The employers will need to re-coup this wont they? Where do they re-coup this? From Shell who then pass on the costs to us in INCREASED fuel prices etc.

So maybe anyone thinking of supporting them needs to jog on.

I have not had an inflationary pay rise for 3 years, yet alone one thats 3 times the rate of inflation.

If everyone jumps on the bandwagon then the country will be on its knees.

Dont get me wrong, I have sympathy for the haulage industry with regard to fuel costs but one division of them want more money that will ultimatly increase the price of fuel-exactly what the RHA are campaiging against. Am I missing something there?

Steve

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gilesk

13% is taking the p1ss

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symonevans

Haha they'll be lucky to get 8% max!! If I was Shell I'd personally offer them less than they first agreed.

Why dont all the tanker drivers strike and put this fuel protest to mr sh!t colour. Then maybe he'll do something about it.

All these little protest aren't getting anywhere, just costing more in fuel.

Lets bring Britain to a stand still!!!!! We all have push irons I presume

Dr Zoidberg

Make your mind up.
In the first sentence you say that they should be offered a low pay rise , and then after that you want them to strike to get a bigger pay rise

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KLM

I was quite symapthetic to their cause, but having seem how much they get paid i'm now not.

Think i'll quit my current job and become a tanker driver. 10k more than I currently get paid and much less stress.

BBC NEWS | Business | Last bid to avert tanker strikes

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Beretta

Is it just me, but when I go to the link it shows a date of 10th July 2002 for this article???

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gilesk

I think you are confusing the pay rise issue with the cost of fuel issue. Why would you want to bring the country to a standstill? How will this impact the price of fuel? the problems are with he oil companies,OPEC and the traders. The governments of all nations should deal with this issue.

Knee jerk reations like bring the country to a standstill are both ill informed and provocative and help no one.

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Dr Zoidberg

It doesn't mention that they do 60 hours a week to get that.

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cheezemonkhai

I think the fact that they rejected 6.8% rise to take average wages over 26.5k shows the contempt they have for the average person.

They earn approximately double the average wage after a 6.8% rise and instead insist that starting wages should be £36k and they should all get a much higher rise.

Quite frankly, get lost.

I'm sure there are other hauliers who are in need of work right now that would jump at working for shell in exchange for a normal price and a couple of pence off the price of fuel for the lorries doing that work.

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cheezemonkhai

No, because most people in IT have a contracted week of 37 hours and work and extra couple of hours a day for no over time.

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Beretta

Steve,

Are you aware of what went on when Hoyer took over distribution from Esso/Shell etc and recruited nearly all new staff having got rid of most of the existing staff?

They brought in new terms and conditions which were worse than those in existence, gave most ninety days abolition of contract and virtually told them that if they did not like it, then leave, and loads did just that on redundancy, and that was why Hoyer were always advertising for tanker drivers, and would take anyone with a clean class one licence, and train them for a full ADR which has to be re-sat on a regular basis.

The money for an any five from seven working week, on a twenty four rota is not that good when you compare it to the £38K that a London Tube driver gets, and where can he go apart from where the rails let him, the tube drivers cargo also unloads itself, and does not have to be watched like a hawk whilst its unloading in case a hose splits or a valve comes loose and puts hundreds of gallons across a forecourt.
He also does not have drive his vehicle into stupid tight gaps on forecourts with idiots trying to drive around a reversing vehicle.

Yes, I am speaking from years of experience in doing just that job of delivering petrol and ADR substances, and if you really do think that pushing an artic tanker around in todays traffic conditions is an easy job, then please give it a go, and see what you think.

Had the wages kept up with inflation and the general cost of living, then they would not be asking for money, but then where do you stop, and who is next to jump on the wages band wagon?

How do doctors manage on just £100K a year, yes I know they study, but £100K when a Police Office or members of the armed forces risk their lives for us all on a fraction of that amount.?

Everyone can justify their own pay rise, even if others cannot.

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robmawer

Not sure what you currently do, but I wouldn't say driving hazchem deliveries is a particularly stress-free activity!


Rob.

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VRS195

I think you mean this link:

BBC NEWS | UK | Shell drivers to strike over pay

or

BBC NEWS | Business | Talks over Shell driver pay fail

or

BBC NEWS | Business | Talks over Shell driver pay fail

or

BBC NEWS | Business | Last bid to avert tanker strikes

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Beretta

Yes, I am aware of these ones, but the link in post one diverts you to an item dated 10th July 2002.

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ap0gee

Most GPs are actually self-employed, and their 'wages' also have to cover the pay of reception staff and the other running costs of the surgeries. A salaried GP employed direct by his/her PCT earns considerably less to reflect this - around £50-60k. Not a pittance, but considering the tanker drivers are looking for just under £40k AVERAGE (i.e. something like 75% of the average pay of a salaried GP), I think it's a p!ss-take. Earning nearly the same for driving up and down motorways all day, compared to making life-or-death decisions day-in, day-out? Don't think so...

Sure it's 60 hours per week, but my last GP ran a single-doctor practice, which was open around 50 hours per week...

Armed forces' and police salaries are a different matter, of course...

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symonevans

No, strike to make the price of fuel cheaper, hence G Brown doing something about it, Not shell

symonevans

Danger money. Cigarette anyone?

ap0gee

Give over. There are plenty more dangerous things transported on our roads. If it ain't got Armco round the tank, it's not that dangerous...

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symonevans

Oh ok so petrol aint dangerous, sorry.......

Can I come and sprikle some on your lawn, heard it works wonders as a weed killer

ap0gee

I'm not saying petrol isn't dangerous per se ; just that the risks involved with transporting it aren't as high as some other things. Your flippant 'cigarette, anyone?' remark didn't help - as long as the fuel remains inside the tanker, it's no more dangerous than 30te of drinking water. The tanks are designed to withstand foreseeable collisions, so why's it more dangerous for the driver than that...?

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symonevans

Next thing your going to tell me you crash test them. No seriously, a certain amnount of danger pay will be taken into consideration as well as the unsociable hours up and down the tarmac.

The cigarette remark was merely a bit of fun. Can we not have a laugh

ap0gee

I'm sure all drivers of TREM-carrying vehicles get an allowance for the responsibility that entails, but it's not as though they're in convoy through Iraq or anything. And, yes, the hours can be bad - but no more than anyone else in haulage.

Sorry for having a sense of humour failure; I just find that the unions' expectations that a vaguely-risky, vaguely-unsociable job, but fundamentally and essentially unskilled job warrants a job in the 10% of all UK earners does rather rankle with me when you see the money that others such as soldiers, police officers, nurses etc. etc. are on...

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