Ford Focus TDCI

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 11:59

My Fathers ford focus seems to exhibit a very odd characterisitc.

When started from warm it make a lot of a rattle and the clutch pedel actually comes upwards. Anybody got any ideas what on earth this could be.

WW_VRS · 31-08-2006, 12:17

Rattle - it's a diesel, it will do.

Clutch wise it could be (but someone with proper knowledge will come along

) that it's an hydraulic clutch so when the engine is started the hydraulic pressure is built up. Not sure on whether it has a hydraulic clutch though I must admit.

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

Rattle - it's a diesel, it will do.

I've driven diesels for years, I'm not talking diesel rattle, I'm talking serious, something is wrong rattle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WW_VRS

Clutch wise it could be (but someone with proper knowledge will come along

) that it's an hydraulic clutch so when the engine is started the hydraulic pressure is built up. Not sure on whether it has a hydraulic clutch though I must admit.

That was my thoughts, but TBH it is not something it usually does. We were wondering if maybe the clutch has gone, but TBH it sounds more like a slave cylinder or something to me than the clutch plate etc. I just don't know what set up the focus has for it's clutch etc.

ScoobyChris · 31-08-2006, 12:44

Sounds like excessive crankshaft end-float to me

Wow - did that sound impressive?

Ok, here's where I found it: http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=139194

Chris

**VRStu** · 31-08-2006, 12:47

oooerrrr guv'nor - That sounds nice and cheap.

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 12:49

Oh fu*k...

Yeah that sounds a lot like what we are seeing...

Hmm think i better give him a quick ring and tell him to sell it quick :S

Tom_vRS · 31-08-2006, 12:52

How old is the car?

If its out of warranty, I'd be part-exing it pronto.

**VRStu** · 31-08-2006, 12:56

Yeah drive to the dealers and park round the corner and allow it to cool down before taking it in!!!

Tell him to get himself a decent Skud

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 13:04

Spoke to father, and that sounds exactly like what he gets

On the possible plus point he remembered that when we bought it we decided to extend the warrenty (the car was an import so came with 2 years not 3). We added 2 years onto it and IIRC the car was first reg at the very start of 2003 on a 52 plate. I remember the debate he had with me when we collected it, but if this is the case i bet he will be glad he did.

So fingers crossed that means that it is covered should it be this. I think the policy is a warrenty direct one, but could be wrong.

How much is a new engine in one of these, i would guess myself at about £3k recon as a 1.9 XUD was about 2k when i looked at prices many moons ago.

**VRStu** · 31-08-2006, 13:10

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Originally Posted by cheezemonkhai

warrenty direct.

Those two words strike great fear into me!!

In my previous dealings with that bunch of sharks they will almost certainly claim it is fair wear and tear or some other completely inplausable excuse.

ScoobyChris · 31-08-2006, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

In my previous dealings with that bunch of sharks they will almost certainly claim it is fair wear and tear or some other completely inplausable excuse.

The policy may well cover wear and tear - mine does (well on paper at least!

), but I suspect Ford won't put it down to wear and tear. If it isn't in warranty (and he wants it fixed), I'd be looking at independent Ford specialists who will likely come up with a better price and also do a better job

Chris

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRStu

Those two words strike great fear into me!!

In my previous dealings with that bunch of sharks they will almost certainly claim it is fair wear and tear or some other completely inplausable excuse.

They that bad then? I was thinking of taking a polciy out with them on my skoda if i don't replace it with a vRS TDI or a PD140.

The policy states it covers wear and tear too :S

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 13:27

You know the more i look at this the more i think he should be parking it around the corner and taking it into the dealer when cold to part ex it :S

EDIT:

Well i wonder if you could get away with the not fit for purpose ruse as a car should surely last 6 years.
You know this really puts me off the focus I test drove the other day

WW_VRS · 31-08-2006, 14:22

Hope you get a reasonable solution for it - sounds pretty awful though

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 15:17

Does rather doesn't it. I think i should get my father to take it to a local garage and get them to check for the damage above and avoid the ford dealer.

That way he can part ex it at the dealers

ScoobyChris · 31-08-2006, 15:23

I forget whereabouts you're based in Hampshire, but I can highly recommend the chaps at Foundry Motors in Kings Worthy (just off the Winchester end of the A34)

Chris

cheezemonkhai · 31-08-2006, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScoobyChris

I forget whereabouts you're based in Hampshire, but I can highly recommend the chaps at Foundry Motors in Kings Worthy (just off the Winchester end of the A34)

Chris

Ta, will get the father to give them a call.

We he is based a bit more drset way, but sure it would be worth the drive.

cheezemonkhai · 01-09-2006, 13:16

Well after speaking with parents last night, they pretty much confirmed the link chris posted up is exactly what it is like

Obviously this is bad news and my father was considering another focus to go along side this one, which now won't be happening. The extended warrenty isn't with WD, it is with some company that is a wholey owned subsiduary of Ford, so fingers crossed they will be a bit better.

Now I'm guessing all we can do is wait for a diagnosis, and hope that they don't try and wriggle out of the warrenty.

Supprisingly enough completely disgusted as before the ford we had a citroen diesel and a pug DTurbo, that did quarter of a million miles and 130+k miles (before it was written off then appeared back on the road some how :S)

Completely attrocious that a 3 and a bit year old car should fail like this with well under 100k miles on it.

Don't suppose anyone has any clue what causes this, or what sort of cost you are looking at for repair (if possible) should the warrenty people manage to wriggle out of it.

ScoobyChris · 02-09-2006, 12:05

From what I've read this is very uncommon (and the number of Foci on the roads seems to back this up!), although I did find the following on Honest John:-

"30/5/2000: all Focus automatics recalled because excessive crankshaft end float may allow torque convertor to contact crankshaft position sensor leading engine to cut out. Revised crankshaft thrust bearing and new crankshaft position sensor to be fitted."

which may or may not be applicable to the manual

There's no hits on www.ffoc.co.uk either but worth dropping ric04vrs a pm as he knows his Fords

Chris

cheezemonkhai · 04-09-2006, 09:34

Good news, well on the whole new engine scale

Looks like there is an much more common problem that produces similar problems. A good local garage had a look and said there was no play in the engine where the post suggested.

The mechanic did say however that after a quick nosey around he was pretty confident it was the dual mass fly wheel, which means new flywheel and clutch etc etc.

Oh well, not at all cheap, but less expensive than a new engine hopefully. The car goes into a ford dealer in the not to near to see if the warrenty covers whatever is actually wrong.

31-08-2006, 11:59	#1
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Ford Focus TDCI My Fathers ford focus seems to exhibit a very odd characterisitc. When started from warm it make a lot of a rattle and the clutch pedel actually comes upwards. Anybody got any ideas what on earth this could be. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

31-08-2006, 12:17	#2
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,742 Thanks: 44 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Rattle - it's a diesel, it will do. Clutch wise it could be (but someone with proper knowledge will come along ) that it's an hydraulic clutch so when the engine is started the hydraulic pressure is built up. Not sure on whether it has a hydraulic clutch though I must admit. __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

31-08-2006, 12:44	#4
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,127 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Sounds like excessive crankshaft end-float to me Wow - did that sound impressive? Ok, here's where I found it: http://www.fordforums.com/showthread.php?t=139194 Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

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31-08-2006, 12:49	#6
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Oh fuk... Yeah that sounds a lot like what we are seeing... Hmm think i better give him a quick ring and tell him to sell it quick :S __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.*

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Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 11,056 Thanks: 623 Thanked 376 Times in 257 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI How old is the car? If its out of warranty, I'd be part-exing it pronto. __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green. Don't miss the new DR COLORCHIPS GROUP BUY!

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VRStu Briskoda Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,454 Thanks: 116 Thanked 926 Times in 830 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Yeah drive to the dealers and park round the corner and allow it to cool down before taking it in!!! Tell him to get himself a decent Skud __________________ Stu - Freedom Pimp Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Buy My Octy for £11k - http://briskoda.net/skodas-sale/oct-07-57-octy-ii-vrs-hatch-2-0-tfsi-11k/125614/ Stu's Car - 2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Privacy Glass, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Flat Bottom Multi Function Steering Wheel, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Interior Light Pack, Non Smokers Pack. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

31-08-2006, 13:04	#9
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Spoke to father, and that sounds exactly like what he gets On the possible plus point he remembered that when we bought it we decided to extend the warrenty (the car was an import so came with 2 years not 3). We added 2 years onto it and IIRC the car was first reg at the very start of 2003 on a 52 plate. I remember the debate he had with me when we collected it, but if this is the case i bet he will be glad he did. So fingers crossed that means that it is covered should it be this. I think the policy is a warrenty direct one, but could be wrong. How much is a new engine in one of these, i would guess myself at about £3k recon as a 1.9 XUD was about 2k when i looked at prices many moons ago. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

31-08-2006, 13:27	#13
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI You know the more i look at this the more i think he should be parking it around the corner and taking it into the dealer when cold to part ex it :S EDIT: Well i wonder if you could get away with the not fit for purpose ruse as a car should surely last 6 years. You know this really puts me off the focus I test drove the other day __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment. Last edited by cheezemonkhai; 31-08-2006 at 15:16.

31-08-2006, 14:22	#14
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,742 Thanks: 44 Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Hope you get a reasonable solution for it - sounds pretty awful though __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

31-08-2006, 15:17	#15
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Does rather doesn't it. I think i should get my father to take it to a local garage and get them to check for the damage above and avoid the ford dealer. That way he can part ex it at the dealers __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

31-08-2006, 15:23	#16
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,127 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI I forget whereabouts you're based in Hampshire, but I can highly recommend the chaps at Foundry Motors in Kings Worthy (just off the Winchester end of the A34) Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

01-09-2006, 13:16	#18
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Well after speaking with parents last night, they pretty much confirmed the link chris posted up is exactly what it is like Obviously this is bad news and my father was considering another focus to go along side this one, which now won't be happening. The extended warrenty isn't with WD, it is with some company that is a wholey owned subsiduary of Ford, so fingers crossed they will be a bit better. Now I'm guessing all we can do is wait for a diagnosis, and hope that they don't try and wriggle out of the warrenty. Supprisingly enough completely disgusted as before the ford we had a citroen diesel and a pug DTurbo, that did quarter of a million miles and 130+k miles (before it was written off then appeared back on the road some how :S) Completely attrocious that a 3 and a bit year old car should fail like this with well under 100k miles on it. Don't suppose anyone has any clue what causes this, or what sort of cost you are looking at for repair (if possible) should the warrenty people manage to wriggle out of it. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment. Last edited by cheezemonkhai; 01-09-2006 at 13:25.

02-09-2006, 12:05	#19
ScoobyChris Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Andover Posts: 18,127 Thanks: 15 Thanked 327 Times in 285 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI From what I've read this is very uncommon (and the number of Foci on the roads seems to back this up!), although I did find the following on Honest John:- "30/5/2000: all Focus automatics recalled because excessive crankshaft end float may allow torque convertor to contact crankshaft position sensor leading engine to cut out. Revised crankshaft thrust bearing and new crankshaft position sensor to be fitted." which may or may not be applicable to the manual There's no hits on www.ffoc.co.uk either but worth dropping ric04vrs a pm as he knows his Fords Chris __________________ Holding up the traffic in a little Italian..........

04-09-2006, 09:34	#20
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14,734 Thanks: 91 Thanked 413 Times in 384 Posts	Re: Ford Focus TDCI Good news, well on the whole new engine scale Looks like there is an much more common problem that produces similar problems. A good local garage had a look and said there was no play in the engine where the post suggested. The mechanic did say however that after a quick nosey around he was pretty confident it was the dual mass fly wheel, which means new flywheel and clutch etc etc. Oh well, not at all cheap, but less expensive than a new engine hopefully. The car goes into a ford dealer in the not to near to see if the warrenty covers whatever is actually wrong. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

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