A Bit of Fun

**TaviaRS** · 12-03-2003, 19:27

http://www.rpmpromotions.com/Spring%20Tour.html

West Country based promotions company, RPM, are pleased to announce the creation of a unique event: The RPM Spring Tour, which provides Specialist Car owners the rare opportunity to experience the thrill of motorsport without the stresses, strains (and costs) of competition.

Taking place on Sunday March 30th, the tour gives owners who are passionate about their driving the chance to tread the paths of many great names, visiting a variety of venues which have a heritage steeped in motorsport nostalgia.

Starting from legendary Prescott Hill Climb, crews will congregate in the paddock, before driving the 1127 yards of infamous twisting tarmac.

Following the Oclimbs¹ there will then be a scenic run through the Cotswold countryside which takes entrants to South Cerney Airfield near Cirencester. Once a popular Sprint venue, this will be the first time the airfield¹s perimeter track has been utilised for any form of motorsport in many years.

The route then heads south, into Wiltshire, to Bowood House near Calne, where drivers will experience the rare treat of a three mile asphalt rally stage though the beautiful grounds of the Estate.

It¹s then a short road section westwards to Hullavington Airfield, where its perimeter track and runways will provide crews with an exciting two mile course.

The final run takes entrants to Castle Combe, for what many agree to be the best part of the day - six laps of this famous Wiltshire racing circuit.

All Sprint, Rally and Hill Climb venues will be tackled twice. To make the day as mechanically sympathetic as possible, to both cars and owners, all venues will feature smooth tarmac roads and there are no timed competition at any of the locations. Therefore speed will not be a necessary element of the event.

However, driving proficiency will be assessed by a team of experienced observers who will be at each of the venues. They will be looking for skills such as; the best racing line, safety, smooth driving style and overall car control.

Trophies will then be presented at the finish based on the assessments received from each of the observers. Awards will also be made for the best presented pre-1975, 1976 - 1989 and 1990 - 2003 vehicles.

³We have previously run many events like this for other organisations², said Clerk of the Course, Simon Slade. ³ This is the first time we have promoted our own tour and therefore we are able to combine all the best elements from the others we have organised.²

Entries are open to cars manufactured between 1940 and the present day, although numbers will be restricted to 120. Anyone wishing to take part should call the event office: 01935 424873 or e.mail: tours@rpmpromo.com.

Just sent off my application

stopan1j · 12-03-2003, 20:15

Jon,

Sounds great will look into it (either taking part or spectating), should at least be able to see the event at South Cerney airfield as thats where I live

not on the airfield though.

Requested an application form - not received yet - will apply just need to re-arrange a birthday party looking forward to it

**delcac** · 13-03-2003, 10:21

Just booked up

This is all your fault Jon.

Included in the entry fee is one adult passenger so if anyone in the Kent area wants to go please PM me. Details are on Jon's post.

Cheers

**TaviaRS** · 13-03-2003, 13:41

Methinks this will be a tiring weekend:

Friday, drive to Hull, get car scrutineered.
Saturday, compete in Northumberland Forest Rally, drive back home
Sunday, do this thing!

Reckon I may be tired

Tavia4x4 · 13-03-2003, 13:43

drat, scoobynet dales run on same day.

Ah well, some distance away anyhow, will go chase scoobs

stopan1j · 13-03-2003, 19:38

Got my form, now booked
Any of you guys have any info re insurance as mentioned on the application re- road and track. prices and recomendation welcome.

Dmac1969vRS · 13-03-2003, 20:43

TaviaRS
Northumberland forest rally? Where is that being held? , and what are you driving in?

**TaviaRS** · 14-03-2003, 09:16

Duncan,

The website for the rally is:

http://www.northhumbersideforestrally.org.uk/

****, its north humberside, not northumberland, doh!

Just as well I'm co-driving

We'll be in a 205 1.6GTI, not dure what number yet.

Dmac1969vRS · 14-03-2003, 20:41

Tavia RS

....Good luck!

**delcac** · 14-03-2003, 23:24

Quote:

Originally posted by delcac

Included in the entry fee is one adult passenger so if anyone in the Kent area wants to go please PM me. Details are on Jon's post.

Position filled.

**TaviaRS** · 15-03-2003, 13:13

Just got the details through - I've been accepted. Awful lot of regs:

time controls, checkpoints, scrutineering, numbers on cars, boinnet plate for the event etc

Looks well organised and looks like fun!

stopan1j · 17-03-2003, 21:36

Just received aceptance, rules etc ...... also, will be my first track event in the car ....and Val is my navigator

- may see you there or see you screem past I hope there are some other novices taking part - any tips Jon and Des?:

**TaviaRS** · 18-03-2003, 07:03

Keep it on the black bits?

Just have fun and, if they do run more than one car at once, watch out for faster stuff (not that there will be much

)

Make sure you have enough petrol, it does go down quite quick on track

Check all your levels before starting the day

Have fun

***ColinD*** · 18-03-2003, 12:15

Torn.

**delcac** · 18-03-2003, 18:20

Still spaces left Colin, come on you know it makes sense.

stopan1j · 18-03-2003, 19:36

Quote:

Originally posted by TaviaRS
Keep it on the black bits?

Just have fun and, if they do run more than one car at once, watch out for faster stuff (not that there will be much )

Make sure you have enough petrol, it does go down quite quick on track

Check all your levels before starting the day

Have fun

Thanks Jon

Keep it on the black bits?

LOL A bit like drving and overtaking on on Autobahns then. My main concern is if other drivers obey the no overtaking in corners and me keeping to the racing line. I assume the overall safety to a large degree is governed by the strictness of the organisers with offenders.
Is it normal to overtake on the left?

Stuart_J · 19-03-2003, 06:36

Does anyone else have any idea what other cars are entered. I might be interested in entering but dont want to be seriously embarased in a stock 4x4 that Im not really used to yet.
I would also like to bring my son as a passenger (ok with the organisers) & let Wendy drive some bits & she has never driven on a track before althouth has passengered in an Ultima at Goodwood. They got black flagged, something about going through a corner at over 100 sideways but she loved it

**TaviaRS** · 19-03-2003, 08:56

Well there are at least 3 Skodas (2 black and 1 yellow), I know of at least 1 Evo 6 (TME I think) and a couple of Scoobs. Not sure about the rest though.

stopan1j · 19-03-2003, 09:13

Stuart,
RE:
would also like to bring my son as a passenger (ok with the organisers) & let Wendy drive some bits & she has never driven on a track before ...

Cant see anywhere in the rules about children, on the booking form there is a box for the number of children under 16 (free) so I dont see as its a problem. The price covers driver and another driver/codriver.

If you are interseted I should speak to the organiser as the closing date was on Monday officially.

I suggest you email re suitability of your car (I would have thought it would be fine)and other concerns. - I emailed a query and got a quick response.

simon@rpmpromo.com

01935 424873

John

stopan1j · 19-03-2003, 19:40

Quote:

Originally posted by stopan1j
Got my form, now booked
Any of you guys have any info re insurance as mentioned on the application re- road and track. prices and recomendation welcome.

Mailed the organisors for advise, they advised I speak to my own insurance co and then to the event insurers, contacted my insurance co and was advised that I am insured as long as there is no timing or racing - I gave them the event description and details of all venues used - so thats fine and I dont need to give them any details of dates etc.

***ColinD*** · 20-03-2003, 12:15

John,

Who are your insurers? As soon as you mention "track" in any guise DL just say no. Shame as Driver training in my view is a proactive reduction of risk.

Stuart_J · 20-03-2003, 13:58

Colin,
Dont know if it helps, I'm with Barclays direct & they include 4 track days per year subject to prior notification (they covered me for Imola last year) they also give full UK & European cover (Europe 45 days) & this includes recovery. They bought the Scoob back from Italy last year (blown head gasket) & it included free hire car etc
Cant speak highly enough of them

Stuart

***ColinD*** · 20-03-2003, 14:26

Stuart,

http://www.barclaycarddirect.co.uk/Insurance/motor.html

Is a little unhelpfull imo. I was told by a most insolent woman that my increase calculations for my chip was old BHP / new BHP, giving (150/207)*100 = 72% increase...when I questioned this she said thats the way it was calculated. Well the conversation went downhill from there TBH, with her getting more and more terse, at the end I asked her to go back and redo the quote using 38%; it's won't make any difference, but I'll do it for you.

Surprisingly it knocked 100 quid of the premium. I'll phone again closer to my renewal date; hopefully that won't confuse them to much. It took two minutes to get past the renwal date issue as current policy expires in August...so the why are you getting quotes now questions? Because I can change anytime I like...

Is it me?

But a good pirce I think considering, will go into more detail with somebody who sounds like they can be bothered...I should complain; but lifes to short.

***ColinD*** · 20-03-2003, 16:11

A little less torn now

Still space and it sounds like a good event, can see myself watching the real cars more than me driving...just have to dot the i's and cross the t's...

Re insurance, I'm quite toen on this; castle coombe to me being the biggest risk. So for the event coverage with 900 excess, and upto 6k bodywork cover, i.e. not a write off using Competition Car Insurance (also arranging the events insurance) it's £86 based on 12k car cost.

Call Chris on 0115 415255, he knows about the event etc.

Stuart_J · 20-03-2003, 17:19

Colin

I used Barclays direct & not Barclaycard direct, I guess they are probably the same but I have had no probs with Barclays direct & have been with them for 3 years. They covered us for the Cannonball at no extra charge & when the Scoob died they gave me several options.

1. Fly Wendy & I Home

2. A rental car to continue our holiday (Cannonball run, do Ford
focuses go that fast !!)

3. Either of the above & recover the car back to the UK

4. Either 1 or 2, fix the car in Italy & fly one of us out to get it.

We took option 2 & 3

A guy who had bent his car at Imola had it recovered to the uk but the option to get him home was a taxi to the Airport & hang around for Easy jet (needless to say everyone mucked in & he went with one team & his wife with another with their belongings shared between others)

Moral is cost isnt everything, check what you get.

I will post barclays number later

Also one less space on the event, taken by a bog std 4x4, could this be a briskoda mini meet.

Speaking to the organiser there just might be an original short wheel base quatro entered, last saw one at the Castle Coombe rally day & it was a sight to see.

stuart

12-03-2003, 19:27	#1
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	A Bit of Fun http://www.rpmpromotions.com/Spring%20Tour.html West Country based promotions company, RPM, are pleased to announce the creation of a unique event: The RPM Spring Tour, which provides Specialist Car owners the rare opportunity to experience the thrill of motorsport without the stresses, strains (and costs) of competition. Taking place on Sunday March 30th, the tour gives owners who are passionate about their driving the chance to tread the paths of many great names, visiting a variety of venues which have a heritage steeped in motorsport nostalgia. Starting from legendary Prescott Hill Climb, crews will congregate in the paddock, before driving the 1127 yards of infamous twisting tarmac. Following the Oclimbs¹ there will then be a scenic run through the Cotswold countryside which takes entrants to South Cerney Airfield near Cirencester. Once a popular Sprint venue, this will be the first time the airfield¹s perimeter track has been utilised for any form of motorsport in many years. The route then heads south, into Wiltshire, to Bowood House near Calne, where drivers will experience the rare treat of a three mile asphalt rally stage though the beautiful grounds of the Estate. It¹s then a short road section westwards to Hullavington Airfield, where its perimeter track and runways will provide crews with an exciting two mile course. The final run takes entrants to Castle Combe, for what many agree to be the best part of the day - six laps of this famous Wiltshire racing circuit. All Sprint, Rally and Hill Climb venues will be tackled twice. To make the day as mechanically sympathetic as possible, to both cars and owners, all venues will feature smooth tarmac roads and there are no timed competition at any of the locations. Therefore speed will not be a necessary element of the event. However, driving proficiency will be assessed by a team of experienced observers who will be at each of the venues. They will be looking for skills such as; the best racing line, safety, smooth driving style and overall car control. Trophies will then be presented at the finish based on the assessments received from each of the observers. Awards will also be made for the best presented pre-1975, 1976 - 1989 and 1990 - 2003 vehicles. ³We have previously run many events like this for other organisations², said Clerk of the Course, Simon Slade. ³ This is the first time we have promoted our own tour and therefore we are able to combine all the best elements from the others we have organised.² Entries are open to cars manufactured between 1940 and the present day, although numbers will be restricted to 120. Anyone wishing to take part should call the event office: 01935 424873 or e.mail: tours@rpmpromo.com. Just sent off my application __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

13-03-2003, 10:21	#3
delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Members Car: A red one Images: 3 Thanks: 17 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	Just booked up This is all your fault Jon. Included in the entry fee is one adult passenger so if anyone in the Kent area wants to go please PM me. Details are on Jon's post. Cheers __________________ The Red Devil

13-03-2003, 13:41	#4
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Methinks this will be a tiring weekend: Friday, drive to Hull, get car scrutineered. Saturday, compete in Northumberland Forest Rally, drive back home Sunday, do this thing! Reckon I may be tired __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

13-03-2003, 13:43	#5
Tavia4x4 Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: J5 M61 Posts: 5,294 Members Car: Octavia 4x4 - aka "The Ambulance" Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	drat, scoobynet dales run on same day. Ah well, some distance away anyhow, will go chase scoobs __________________ Ian __________________ Nice to be important, but more important to be nice...

14-03-2003, 09:16	#8
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Duncan, The website for the rally is: http://www.northhumbersideforestrally.org.uk/ **, its north humberside, not northumberland, doh! Just as well I'm co-driving We'll be in a 205 1.6GTI, not dure what number yet. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays**

12-03-2003, 20:15	#2
stopan1j Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,215 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jon, Sounds great will look into it (either taking part or spectating), should at least be able to see the event at South Cerney airfield as thats where I live not on the airfield though. Requested an application form - not received yet - will apply just need to re-arrange a birthday party looking forward to it

13-03-2003, 19:38	#6
stopan1j Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,215 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Got my form, now booked Any of you guys have any info re insurance as mentioned on the application re- road and track. prices and recomendation welcome.

13-03-2003, 20:43	#7
Dmac1969vRS Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,160 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	TaviaRS Northumberland forest rally? Where is that being held? , and what are you driving in?

14-03-2003, 20:41	#9
Dmac1969vRS Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,160 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tavia RS ....Good luck!

15-03-2003, 13:13	#11
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Just got the details through - I've been accepted. Awful lot of regs: time controls, checkpoints, scrutineering, numbers on cars, boinnet plate for the event etc Looks well organised and looks like fun! __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

17-03-2003, 21:36	#12
stopan1j Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,215 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just received aceptance, rules etc ...... also, will be my first track event in the car ....and Val is my navigator - may see you there or see you screem past I hope there are some other novices taking part - any tips Jon and Des?:

18-03-2003, 07:03	#13
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Keep it on the black bits? Just have fun and, if they do run more than one car at once, watch out for faster stuff (not that there will be much ) Make sure you have enough petrol, it does go down quite quick on track Check all your levels before starting the day Have fun __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

18-03-2003, 12:15	#14
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,315 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Torn. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

18-03-2003, 18:20	#15
delcac Still a **** Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chatham, Kent Posts: 7,396 Members Car: A red one Images: 3 Thanks: 17 Thanked 70 Times in 55 Posts	Still spaces left Colin, come on you know it makes sense. __________________ The Red Devil

19-03-2003, 06:36	#17
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,719 Members Car: Nissan 350Z Twin Turbo Also Octavia 1.9 TDI L&K & Superb td 140 Thanks: 40 Thanked 85 Times in 78 Posts	Does anyone else have any idea what other cars are entered. I might be interested in entering but dont want to be seriously embarased in a stock 4x4 that Im not really used to yet. I would also like to bring my son as a passenger (ok with the organisers) & let Wendy drive some bits & she has never driven on a track before althouth has passengered in an Ultima at Goodwood. They got black flagged, something about going through a corner at over 100 sideways but she loved it __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

19-03-2003, 08:56	#18
TaviaRS Dinosaur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Watford Gap Posts: 14,942 Members Car: Merc E class & SLK Thanks: 19 Thanked 42 Times in 38 Posts	Well there are at least 3 Skodas (2 black and 1 yellow), I know of at least 1 Evo 6 (TME I think) and a couple of Scoobs. Not sure about the rest though. __________________ A jolly sensible Mercedes E class saloon in a rather fetching bluey grey colour. No it isn't fast, no it isn't modded, and yes, it will still eat your Fabia for breakfast. Official mobile chicane for Briskoda trackdays

19-03-2003, 09:13	#19
stopan1j Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,215 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stuart, RE: would also like to bring my son as a passenger (ok with the organisers) & let Wendy drive some bits & she has never driven on a track before ... Cant see anywhere in the rules about children, on the booking form there is a box for the number of children under 16 (free) so I dont see as its a problem. The price covers driver and another driver/codriver. If you are interseted I should speak to the organiser as the closing date was on Monday officially. I suggest you email re suitability of your car (I would have thought it would be fine)and other concerns. - I emailed a query and got a quick response. simon@rpmpromo.com 01935 424873 John

20-03-2003, 12:15	#21
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,315 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	John, Who are your insurers? As soon as you mention "track" in any guise DL just say no. Shame as Driver training in my view is a proactive reduction of risk. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

20-03-2003, 13:58	#22
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,719 Members Car: Nissan 350Z Twin Turbo Also Octavia 1.9 TDI L&K & Superb td 140 Thanks: 40 Thanked 85 Times in 78 Posts	Colin, Dont know if it helps, I'm with Barclays direct & they include 4 track days per year subject to prior notification (they covered me for Imola last year) they also give full UK & European cover (Europe 45 days) & this includes recovery. They bought the Scoob back from Italy last year (blown head gasket) & it included free hire car etc Cant speak highly enough of them Stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

20-03-2003, 14:26	#23
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,315 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	Stuart, http://www.barclaycarddirect.co.uk/Insurance/motor.html Is a little unhelpfull imo. I was told by a most insolent woman that my increase calculations for my chip was old BHP / new BHP, giving (150/207)100 = 72% increase...when I questioned this she said thats the way it was calculated. Well the conversation went downhill from there TBH, with her getting more and more terse, at the end I asked her to go back and redo the quote using 38%; it's won't make any difference, but I'll do it for you. Surprisingly it knocked 100 quid of the premium. I'll phone again closer to my renewal date; hopefully that won't confuse them to much. It took two minutes to get past the renwal date issue as current policy expires in August...so the why are you getting quotes now questions? Because I can change anytime I like... Is it me? But a good pirce I think considering, will go into more detail with somebody who sounds like they can be bothered...I should complain; but lifes to short. __________________ ColinD* 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

20-03-2003, 16:11	#24
*ColinD* Site owner Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hill & Mountains of North Wales Posts: 10,315 Members Car: Roomster Scout Images: 3 Thanks: 29 Thanked 174 Times in 80 Posts	A little less torn now Still space and it sounds like a good event, can see myself watching the real cars more than me driving...just have to dot the i's and cross the t's... Re insurance, I'm quite toen on this; castle coombe to me being the biggest risk. So for the event coverage with 900 excess, and upto 6k bodywork cover, i.e. not a write off using Competition Car Insurance (also arranging the events insurance) it's £86 based on 12k car cost. Call Chris on 0115 415255, he knows about the event etc. __________________ ColinD 1.9 Scout Roomster - Standard www.BRISKODA.net :: Site Owner E-Mail : webmaster at briskoda dot net Got a comment to make about the site? Please feel free to use the feedback form here, we welcome your views.

20-03-2003, 17:19	#25
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,719 Members Car: Nissan 350Z Twin Turbo Also Octavia 1.9 TDI L&K & Superb td 140 Thanks: 40 Thanked 85 Times in 78 Posts	Colin I used Barclays direct & not Barclaycard direct, I guess they are probably the same but I have had no probs with Barclays direct & have been with them for 3 years. They covered us for the Cannonball at no extra charge & when the Scoob died they gave me several options. 1. Fly Wendy & I Home 2. A rental car to continue our holiday (Cannonball run, do Ford focuses go that fast !!) 3. Either of the above & recover the car back to the UK 4. Either 1 or 2, fix the car in Italy & fly one of us out to get it. We took option 2 & 3 A guy who had bent his car at Imola had it recovered to the uk but the option to get him home was a taxi to the Airport & hang around for Easy jet (needless to say everyone mucked in & he went with one team & his wife with another with their belongings shared between others) Moral is cost isnt everything, check what you get. I will post barclays number later Also one less space on the event, taken by a bog std 4x4, could this be a briskoda mini meet. Speaking to the organiser there just might be an original short wheel base quatro entered, last saw one at the Castle Coombe rally day & it was a sight to see. stuart __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

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