greg123

Hi guys,

Not a Skoda, but if someone is looking for GREAT value and a car that runs on vegoil/waste oil, this is INCREDIBLE value!

After waiting a while I now have my wife's 405 of 4 years for sale. It is a Bosch pump vegoil motor with a proper single tank conversion including a MASSIVE heat exchanger. Runs on 80% oil. Has Climate, Airbag, Air Conditioning, PAS, Turbo Diesel 1.9, 5-speed, Estate, Electric Windows, 1 owner in 7 years, low/average miles 129k with cambelt & service every 5k, I'm real fussy about maintainence and spend £750 in PARTS alone, previously owned by AUDI tech who used all Audi fluids on it. HPI clear, it's a one-off chance to get one of the pre-computerised, low insurance, low tax cars in good condition. See full spec here:

Peugeot 405 Estate Turbo Diesel Vegoil

I can't stress enough, this is really a one-off chance. It's going advertised on Ebay/elsewhere on Tue but I thought I would put it up here first. It's cost us the best part of two grand, with the asking price of £750 spent on it in parts, fully valeted/matching tyres/serviced/ready to go. So I'm not taking offers, but if anyone here wants it for £750 I may be able to work a tank of fuel for you as a bonus to my friends on the forum - that's worth about £60 making it £690 really.

All the best and I'll be happy to answer any questions,
Greg.

bobjim

looks in really good condition for the year, bargain for someone!!!

sharkrider

very clean car.....

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greg123

Thanks guys

I'm a bit of a perfectionist, that doesn't mean my cars are perfect but I do try. Not many people I know flush the gearbox and put redline racing synthetic fluid in it as soon as they get it.... <g>

Making bit more of an effort with the 1.8T L&K estate, spend about £1,300 in parts on it now.... It will actually have to go up for sale before too long as I have to concentrate on my van. Till then happy motoring. Here's some spoiler pics from the weekend, thanks to a forum member I now have the missing strut top plastic cap sorted!:

Tom_vRS

hmmmm

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greg123

The question is, which one is he rubbing his chin at? The 405 vegmister for sale, or the leathery sparkley one which is mine, mine - MINE, all MINE I tell you! Well, for now anyhow....

My wife doesn't like me having 3 cars on the road and another 5 SORN'd. I can't for the life of me understand women, I mean what else is your garden for??????

Greg.

Tom_vRS

The VegMeister.

But I can't be arsed with the whole waste oil thing, and the Mondeo is too good to let go.

If there's anything I've learnt over the past few years, never let go of a good, reliable car.

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greg123

That's a very good point. That is part of why we have had this 4 years actually. I know what you mean about the waste oil, we used to run on new till it got more expensive (can still be had 30-50p/litre cheaper than diesel though). I probably saved £1,500 in diesel the amount of miles I did on oil, so I rekon it's been worth it for us, I now have a decent way to filter and a couple local hotels that I clear out. It does 45mpg which isn't too bad on diesel alone I guess. Not quite VW TDi miliage but when we bought it a ratty TDi was £1,000 more and higher insurance.

Interestingly I nearly got a Mondeo V6 Ghia X Estate about 5 years ago, plumbing instead for a Volvo V90 3.0 24v in the end, mainly because I couldn't quite afford a Merc 320E 24v which was the best out of the 3 I felt (the BMW 540i was in there, but the first 'touring' didn't have enough boot space for me, less than half the Volvo). Great engine and box in the Volvo, better than the Merc and a HUGE amount easier to work on than the Mondeo (though the Mondeo V6 is pretty reliable thankfully). Ultimately I let it go because of mpg (28 on a run, 19 in town) and the biggest factor, dynamics. Braking and wind noise at speed as well as nose dive when braking were an issue. Poly bushes, shocks and HUGE IPD anti-roll bars had the cornering just fine, but I never could fix the dive and the wind noise - I suppose I could have fixed the brakes with some expensive conversion from a T5 or something. My mate had a 405TD that went indecently well, slammed round corners better than the Volvo and brakes were great and sat at 90 on the m'way happily. He was getting 45mpg, which made me give up on the Volvo and buy the 405 above which was a rare find with just 83k on it from an Audi tech. Above 4k rpm it wouldn't keep up with the 210hp Volvo, or your Mondeo, but I realised that in daily driving I'm never driving around at 4k rpm in traffic and at lower revs it actually felt punchier, so my a-b times were as good with if anything less 'effort'.

Coupled with the vegoil conversion with on/off use of veg, that was pretty much us for the next 4 years!

It's all down to tax really. I guess I'd still happily run a V6 or a V8 etc if petrol was 40p/litre. Though I'd still drive a diesel equally happily as I prefer that slug of torque and the sound of the motor low down as the turbo spools in. One day I'll tune up a TDi something rotten. One day...

Greg.

cheezemonkhai

What changes have been made to the standard XUD engine and systems to allow this conversion?

I take it that the car is a XUDt 1.9 due to the intercooler on the top of the engine.

Also do you know the condition of the fuel pump seals and other seals on the system as these were designed to be run on full sulphur derv and ULSD had a negative effect on many, so I can see veg oil having a similar effect.

I know the XUD very well so if the changes are all minor, which i can't see why they would not be, it could be interesting.

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greg123

Hiya,

If you click the link in the first post you'll get shed loads of info.

Re the seals, they occationally go on the Bosch EPVE pumps as fitted here, but to be honest I have known of as many going on derv. There are no fuel leaks/seal leaks/pipes leaks, I replaced the leak off pipes from the injectors just before the MOT, they tend to suffer the most but only cost about £4 to replace every couple of years.

As for the conversion, it's nothing structural/major, other than the heat exchanger and few more pipes by the battery you can't see the difference. Click on the link in the first post for lots more pictures and you can see you are correct, the intercooler does sit on top of the engine and as you said it's an XUD9 Turbocharged/Intercooled one of the later versions.

The conversion comprises:

Injectors removed, new nozzles fitted and a + 20bar higher pressure set
Extra large capacity stainless steel heat exchanger fitted
Injection timing advanced slightly for optimum performance on oil
Modified thermostat in heated fuel filter to raise temperature
Suitable for running on 80% oil 20% diesel
Suitable for using waste veg oil (WVO) or new (SVO) vegetable oil
Vegetable oil must be liquid & if waste, dewatered & cold filtered to 1 micron
All your pipes/engine parts/glow plugs/filters etc are totally standard and the car runs on diesel as it should, you don't have to use oil, but should you use it, the single tank conversion means it runs very well on it indeed, a bit smoother than on diesel in actual fact once it's warmed up.

Regards, Greg.

greg123

PS while I remember, we have had more issues with pipes breaking down and leaking seals with vehicles running Biodiesel, if it's not make properly some of the Methonal can get left in. Methonal does NOT like rubber, or seals, other than stuff like Viton.

I think this car has had 10 litres Biodiesel in it's life, I always run it on plain oil or plain diesel and haven't had any issues, possibly for this reason! Plain veg likes rubber, you can actually use it (old HD trick) on belt drive motorcycles to lube the belt and stop squeks, if you used engine oil/diesel it causes the rubber to swell and decay (like coolant hoses do) so actually plain veg is a very nice fuel to work with and has far greater lubrication properties than diesel.

Greg.

Captain Sisko

One guy in our office has an R Reg Pug 306TD
He hasn't made any mods and run his on half diesel half veggie oil


Looks like a really good motor though

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Decron

He won't in the winter The heat exchanger is in place to ensure that the fuels viscosity is reduced and warmed. The uprated pump also deals with the fact its a bit thicker and has different lubricating properties to mineral. The lift pump will also struggle without a proper tank conversion. I use WVO in the roomy but I wont go over 30% for obvious reasons

This is a cracking conversion and a bargin of a car. If I had the money I would snap it straight up. We should stop weighing this thread down with this discussion and let him get on with selling a great vehicle.

greg123

Thanks Decron - clearly a vegoil lover yourself! Sisko, it's a good point - they will run on 50/50. They will also run with a diry air filter. And if you miss oil changes. Just because something runs, doesn't mean it's running as well as it can - for starters his injection timing will be out, cetane value of veg is lower than diesel by 5-10 points require more ignition time for optimum performance, then there are the viscosity points Decron made. I was going to add an electric lift pump (I have one available) and 'closed loop' the front end, meaning better fuel supply under slight pressure, this cheap final modification would really set the conversion off and I'd imagine in summer you may be okay at 90% vegoil with that as it takes care of any potential fuel starvation, a handy side effect is it eliminates air locks/air ingress, as it is under pressure not vacuum. I always do this on my twin tank conversions, even though the two main kit suppliers don't specify it for cost reasons!

Greg.

Captain Sisko

How much did this sell for?

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greg123

£795 and in heinseight I could have sold it for £895 as easily, by the number of calls and the fact I had 3 people try to buy it within 2 days of it being on ebay.

However I got what I thought was fair so I'm happy enough.

Thanks for the interest all, the guy paid up and took it today so it's gone. I don't have anything else (it was a private car) but if anyone has any related q's particularly on the vegoil side as I fit them on a regular basis I'll be happy to answer any pm's.

Have a great weekend,
Greg.