Diagnostic Check

Bluefox · 30-06-2008, 08:34

Morning all,

A quick query. How much would you folks pay for a standard engine management diagnostic check? I.e., checking the fault codes when you've got that damn light on your dash board.

Reason being, I've just got off the phone to Brooklyn Skoda, Redditch who want to charge me £78+vat as they claim it's an hours labour.

This is fair enough - but Autosales Skoda, Cannock only charged me £27+vat for, er, half an hours labour.

The labour rates are clearly different, which is fair enough - but the book times?

Argh!

Blue "Has anyone got Vagcom??" Fox

rotodiesel · 30-06-2008, 09:01

Buy VAGCOM.

rotodiesel.

mluton · 30-06-2008, 10:40

I'm not far from Brooklyn Skoda, redditch if you ever need a scan

**VRStu** · 30-06-2008, 10:51

I would say both are right really. They are at liberty to charge whatever they think is a reasonable time.

Just a plug in and printout of the stored codes can be done inside a 30 minute slot however were the other garage offering you more?

As above though, a friendly Briskodian will save you a few ££

mdk1 · 30-06-2008, 11:59

I would say, Just join Freedom, clicky in my sig. and a fellow member with Vag com won't be far away.

Baker21 · 30-06-2008, 13:36

What lights you got on the dash then buddy?

Bluefox · 30-06-2008, 13:52

Thanks folks. (Especially Rotodiesel, you know I always appreciate your opinion

)

Think I may have to have a slice of this Freedom lark, it is a worthwhile cause after all... plus I've got lots of bits to sell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baker21

What lights you got on the dash then buddy?

That great big "I'm going to cost lots of money" engine light. I think it's listed as "ECU/Emission system" in the handbook - and please imagine I've said this in a manly gruff voice instead of a girly one: it's the orange one with the picture of an engine on it

Mluton: You have PM

Tims · 30-06-2008, 20:00

To be honest with you I wouldn't expect to pay the garage at all. It's in their interest to diagnose and quote for work,

I would expect a completely FOC assessment of the problem and then a written estimate to carry out any repair.

Tim

rum4mo · 30-06-2008, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tims

To be honest with you I wouldn't expect to pay the garage at all. It's in their interest to diagnose and quote for work,

I would expect a completely FOC assessment of the problem and then a written estimate to carry out any repair.

Tim

And there was me thinking that "fault lights" were being used as revenue generators (a gift from VAG to their dealer networks)! Oh maybe I'm just being a synical old ba***rd!

Lummox · 30-06-2008, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tims

To be honest with you I wouldn't expect to pay the garage at all. It's in their interest to diagnose and quote for work,

I would expect a completely FOC assessment of the problem and then a written estimate to carry out any repair.

Tim

We used to do free diagnosis, sometimes still do if the work is carried out by us. But free diagnostic checks are a waste of time, most people bugger off and do it themselves or take it else where. We are buisnesses not charities.

Gizmo68 · 30-06-2008, 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

We used to do free diagnosis, sometimes still do if the work is carried out by us. But free diagnostic checks are a waste of time, most people bugger off and do it themselves or take it else where. We are buisnesses not charities.

I fully agree, why should a dealer diagnose the fault FOC, for you to then fix it yourself?

What would be a good idea IMO is for the diagnostic fee to be credited off the bill for the repair.

***DGW*** · 30-06-2008, 22:02

AFAIK the dealer's diagnostic kit - VAS 5051? - doesn't come cheap, nor does the training for the operators. Perhaps someone knows the cost of the former?

Lummox · 30-06-2008, 22:58

Biggest factor is the dealers recovery rate.

Thats the difference between what the company pays out for everything inc staff, premises etc etc and what they take. Then profit can be worked out. At the moment its very tough. I know of dealers who take £150k a month, after paying for everything have around £15k max to bank as profit. So why waste your time eating into what little you can make by doing freebies.

Bluefox · 01-07-2008, 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

So why waste your time eating into what little you can make by doing freebies.

Yeah, I agree.

Yes, I object to paying £78+vat for a diagnostic check but I don't expect it to be free.

Incidentally car's now booked in at Autosales Cannock on Thursday. Investigation work on my o/s/f window (suspect new regulator) and diagnostic check.

The diagnostic is... wait for it... £30+vat for half an hour's labour!

Brooklyn Skoda Redditch - avoid!

mluton · 01-07-2008, 10:35

Alright mate, if you want to pop over tonight, Ill give you a scan, I didn't find out if my cable would work, but we can give it a try if you want.

Or tomorrow, if that's any good ?

Bluefox · 01-07-2008, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mluton

Alright mate, if you want to pop over tonight, Ill give you a scan, I didn't find out if my cable would work, but we can give it a try if you want.

Or tomorrow, if that's any good ?

Thanks for the offer - I'm a little busy this week but if you PM me your mobile number I can give you a call next week sometime?

Thanks

Baker21 · 01-07-2008, 13:23

Cable wise.........PM Makefish as he had to borrow a cable off VRStu in order to get it to work on my Superb..........

Tims · 01-07-2008, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gizmo68

I fully agree, why should a dealer diagnose the fault FOC, for you to then fix it yourself?

What would be a good idea IMO is for the diagnostic fee to be credited off the bill for the repair.

And why don't dealers focus on customer relationship management? Make the customer feel welcome, cared for, respected and engender a high level of trust in you to do the work to the highest standard and a (very) high percentage of them will place the work then and there.

It works for all other businesses so why not car dealers?

Why does the average person have such a sceptical view of dealers? Are we born that way or is it a reaction to the way we're treated?

Discuss.

Lummox · 01-07-2008, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tims

And why don't dealers focus on customer relationship management? Make the customer feel welcome, cared for, respected and engender a high level of trust in you to do the work to the highest standard and a (very) high percentage of them will place the work then and there.

It works for all other businesses so why not car dealers?

Why does the average person have such a sceptical view of dealers? Are we born that way or is it a reaction to the way we're treated?

Discuss.

We do focus on customer service, not sure if Skoda run the same CEM scheme as Volkswagen but all our bonuses for sales and service from Volkswagen are dependant on a good CEM score.

People have a sceptical view of dealers because on face value they are more expensive than alternatives. Plus no one likes spending money on servicing or repairing their cars so we aron the back foot to start with.

chris_1d · 01-07-2008, 17:58

I've just had a loads of work done on mine:-

New clutch
Front brake pads
Oil Pressure Low fix
MOT
Service

All in it cost £550 from a local garage. I'm pretty sure my local Skoda dealer would have wanted more than that?!

I don't use dealers due to cost and the fact that you can't speak to the mechanic, you speak to reception. My garage knows me and I speak in depth to the mechanic and we have a good rapport. Its just nice to know that the person messing with my car actually knows about the car and you can have a conversation rather than the person on the service desk having to go and check on things, ask different people different things, ask parts for this and a mechanic for that...

30-06-2008, 08:34	#1
Bluefox Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Rugby, Warwickshire Posts: 764 Thanks: 24 Thanked 29 Times in 28 Posts	Diagnostic Check Morning all, A quick query. How much would you folks pay for a standard engine management diagnostic check? I.e., checking the fault codes when you've got that damn light on your dash board. Reason being, I've just got off the phone to Brooklyn Skoda, Redditch who want to charge me £78+vat as they claim it's an hours labour. This is fair enough - but Autosales Skoda, Cannock only charged me £27+vat for, er, half an hours labour. The labour rates are clearly different, which is fair enough - but the book times? Argh! Blue "Has anyone got Vagcom??" Fox __________________ 2003 Superb Classic TDI 130 - Project Diary - Updated 11/10/08 2006 Fabia vRS - the "Other Project" Diary - Updated 11/10/08

30-06-2008, 09:01	#2
rotodiesel Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 614 Thanks: 4 Thanked 69 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check Buy VAGCOM. rotodiesel.

30-06-2008, 10:40	#3
mluton Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Birmingham Posts: 6,356 Thanks: 46 Thanked 223 Times in 197 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check I'm not far from Brooklyn Skoda, redditch if you ever need a scan __________________ Support Briskoda----------------------> Red Skoda Octavia V//RS Mods to date: Carbonio CAI Forge 007 DV Aero Wipers Briskoda Stickers KVW100 GB Wheel Inserts RS Tuning Remap Delocked Piper Cat Back Kenwood KDC-W6541U Fli Twin 12" Active Sub Parrot CK3100 *------------------------------------------------*

30-06-2008, 10:51	#4
VRStu Briskoda Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 20,439 Thanks: 116 Thanked 925 Times in 830 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check I would say both are right really. They are at liberty to charge whatever they think is a reasonable time. Just a plug in and printout of the stored codes can be done inside a 30 minute slot however were the other garage offering you more? As above though, a friendly Briskodian will save you a few ££ __________________ Stu - Freedom Pimp Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - Hmm, Have a guess...... SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - A Patio

30-06-2008, 11:59	#5
mdk1 go green Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Rochester, Kent Posts: 3,943 Thanks: 136 Thanked 120 Times in 104 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check I would say, Just join Freedom, clicky in my sig. and a fellow member with Vag com won't be far away. __________________ Mike. Mine Skoda Roomster 3 TDI in matallic Anthracite Grey MKLJK Swmbo's Skoda Fabia 2.0I Elegance in Dark matallic Blue MKLJK

30-06-2008, 13:36	#6
Baker21 OEM+ SUPERB Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northants Posts: 3,137 Thanks: 2 Thanked 94 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check What lights you got on the dash then buddy? __________________ Best regards, Baker21 - 'OEM+' SKODA SUPERB PD TDI 130 Need you motor 'Detailing'?? Then drop me a PM...

30-06-2008, 20:00	#8
Tims New to Posting Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check To be honest with you I wouldn't expect to pay the garage at all. It's in their interest to diagnose and quote for work, I would expect a completely FOC assessment of the problem and then a written estimate to carry out any repair. Tim

30-06-2008, 22:02	#12
*DGW* BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambridgeshire Posts: 17,133 Thanks: 49 Thanked 172 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check AFAIK the dealer's diagnostic kit - VAS 5051? - doesn't come cheap, nor does the training for the operators. Perhaps someone knows the cost of the former? __________________ Denis 2002 Octavia 1.8T 4X4 turbo Estate - rebreathed on by Jabba ... 31.93mpg 2007 Fabia vRS - CC, ESP and full leather trim by Seat Surgeons ...48.09 mpg...

30-06-2008, 22:58	#13
Lummox U18 Automotive Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Newport Pagnell Posts: 21,816 Thanks: 22 Thanked 658 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check Biggest factor is the dealers recovery rate. Thats the difference between what the company pays out for everything inc staff, premises etc etc and what they take. Then profit can be worked out. At the moment its very tough. I know of dealers who take £150k a month, after paying for everything have around £15k max to bank as profit. So why waste your time eating into what little you can make by doing freebies. __________________ Unit 18 Automotive Services now open Servicing, repairs, modifications you name it we do it. Cupra console bushes at special price, PM for a very competitive quote.

01-07-2008, 10:35	#15
mluton Briskodian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Birmingham Posts: 6,356 Thanks: 46 Thanked 223 Times in 197 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check Alright mate, if you want to pop over tonight, Ill give you a scan, I didn't find out if my cable would work, but we can give it a try if you want. Or tomorrow, if that's any good ? __________________ Support Briskoda----------------------> Red Skoda Octavia V//RS Mods to date: Carbonio CAI Forge 007 DV Aero Wipers Briskoda Stickers KVW100 GB Wheel Inserts RS Tuning Remap Delocked Piper Cat Back Kenwood KDC-W6541U Fli Twin 12" Active Sub Parrot CK3100 *------------------------------------------------*

01-07-2008, 13:23	#17
Baker21 OEM+ SUPERB Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northants Posts: 3,137 Thanks: 2 Thanked 94 Times in 87 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check Cable wise.........PM Makefish as he had to borrow a cable off VRStu in order to get it to work on my Superb.......... __________________ Best regards, Baker21 - 'OEM+' SKODA SUPERB PD TDI 130 Need you motor 'Detailing'?? Then drop me a PM...

01-07-2008, 17:58	#20
chris_1d Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: March, Cambs Posts: 399 Thanks: 11 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Diagnostic Check I've just had a loads of work done on mine:- New clutch Front brake pads Oil Pressure Low fix MOT Service All in it cost £550 from a local garage. I'm pretty sure my local Skoda dealer would have wanted more than that?! I don't use dealers due to cost and the fact that you can't speak to the mechanic, you speak to reception. My garage knows me and I speak in depth to the mechanic and we have a good rapport. Its just nice to know that the person messing with my car actually knows about the car and you can have a conversation rather than the person on the service desk having to go and check on things, ask different people different things, ask parts for this and a mechanic for that... __________________ Chris_1d Superb 1.8T Comfort 107k and counting

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