Launch Photos of New Superb...

Supurbia · 09-01-2008, 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by numskull

Ahhhh..... you mean GM's biggest DUD!

Sadly I can't argue with that, but I think the next 5 yrs will show it to be a very underrated car and very popular once the money has fallen out of them.

As for the Phaeton rear, I wish it was more like the Phaeton myself.

Looking at the sizes, the Sup will be 20cm narrower and shorter roughly than the VW.

George_Couser · 09-01-2008, 20:06

1,4 TSI 92kW 203 km/h
1,8 TSI 118kW 221 km/h [217 km/h]
3,6 FSI 191kW [254 km/h]

1,9 TDI PD 77kW 189 km/h
2,0 TDI PD 103kW 210 km/h
2,0 TDI CR 125kW 224 km/h [221 km/h]

[A/T]

Birdwell L&K · 09-01-2008, 20:11

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nice.

RobClubley · 09-01-2008, 20:32

I think it's a bit bland looking

dstev2000 · 09-01-2008, 20:55

I told SWMBO the rear shot was of the new Renault Safrane.

I got a slap

I can't wait to see the combi. If it's even half good it's a strong contender for my next luxo barge

skodayouth · 09-01-2008, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by George_Couser

1,4 TSI 92kW 203 km/h
1,8 TSI 118kW 221 km/h [217 km/h]
3,6 FSI 191kW [254 km/h]

1,9 TDI PD 77kW 189 km/h
2,0 TDI PD 103kW 210 km/h
2,0 TDI CR 125kW 224 km/h [221 km/h]

[A/T]

If the 3.6 FSI really can do 254km/h thats 158MPH, given that it's Czech will it follow the German "gentlemens agreement" of 155MPH?

VRS195 · 09-01-2008, 22:52

Very BMW 7 series

The other angles look a bit unresolved, particularly the half-hearted attempt at a "hoffmeister" kink!

johnjohnhealy · 10-01-2008, 04:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by skodayouth

If the 3.6 FSI really can do 254km/h thats 158MPH, given that it's Czech will it follow the German "gentlemens agreement" of 155MPH?

It's never going to have a 3.6 engine in it, lets not get silly now, it's a Skoda.

Taxi 219 · 10-01-2008, 04:57

Hmm.......oversize Octavia front and a Vauxhall Carlton boot lid with Renault Megane rear lights........Yuk!!!!

(I,m running because i won,t be liked now

)

limlien · 10-01-2008, 05:11

Its also shorter wheelbase.

OctaviaT81 · 10-01-2008, 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnjohnhealy

It's never going to have a 3.6 engine in it, lets not get silly now, it's a Skoda.

Skoda confirmed on the press release today that the top engine is 191KW. It is either 3.2FSI V6 or 3.6. Nobody seems quite sure and I can't find an engine with exactly that output in the Passat or A6.

skisbp · 10-01-2008, 08:25

A quick google shows 2 possibilities...
1st "the S2000 has a 2.0L 191kW/260hp engine."
2nd "3.0 TDI CR 165kW (225PS), 500Nm 191kW (260PS), 570Nm " that being a "Chiptuning VW Touareg"!!!

skisbp · 10-01-2008, 08:40

A little copy paste from Wikipedia...
EA113 / 827
The EA827 family was introduced in 1972 in the Audi 80 and eventually superseded by the EA113 evolution introduced in 1993. Both share the same 88 mm cylinder spacing. It was later updated with direct injection, to be topped by the 265 PS 2.0L TFSI. 40 million engines have been produced. It was replaced by the EA888 project introduced with the 1.8L TFSI below.

170-265 hp 2.0 TFSI I4
Engine code
BPY (North America); AXX or BWA (Rest of world)
Configuration
1,984 cc water cooled inline 4, based on the naturally aspired 2.0 FSI
Cylinders
bore × stroke 82.5 × 92.8 mm (0.89 rati), 496 cc/cylinder, 10.5:1 compression ratio
Block
CG 25 grey cast iron, 88 mm cylinder spacing, two chain driven balancing shafts
Head
four-valve, low-friction roller cam follower drive, modified inlet duct geometry for high tumble values providing superior knock resistance, continuous intake camshaft adjustment
Fuel system
Gasoline, Fuel Stratified Injection, up to 110 bar
Aspiration
0.9 bar boost turbocharger, intercooler, variable plastic controlled intake manifold with charge movement flaps adjusted by a continuous-action pilot motor
dimensions
652 mm long, 648 mm wide, 666 mm high, 152 kg
Output
177 kW (240 hp) at 5,700 to 6,300 rpm, 300 Nm at 2,200 to 5,500 rpm in the SEAT León Cupra
195 kW (265 PS) at 6,000 rpm, 350 Nm from 2500 to 5000 rpm in the Audi S3 (A5): 9.8:1 compression ratio, stronger pistons pins and new rings, reinforced connecting rods, new bearings, reinforced cylinder block at the main-bearing pedestals and cap, new, lightweight aluminium-silicon alloy cylinder head for high temperature resistance and strength, adjusted exhaust camshaft timing, increased cross-section high-pressure injectors, 1.2 bar boost pressure turbocharger with larger turbine and compression rotor.
aftermarket 257 kW (350 PS), 450 Nm in the B&B VW Golf GTI Evo R
Reference
Audi AG (2004-07-19). "Audi A3 Sportback – In Depth". Press release.
Awards
Was placed for three consecutive years in the 2006, 2007 and 2008 annual list of Ward's 10 Best Engines.

skisbp · 10-01-2008, 08:43

& now for my prediction (also Wikipedia sourced) !!!

255/260 hp 3.2L V6 FSI
Engine codes
255 hp (190 kW)-AUK/BKH/BYU (260 hp-BPK)
Configuration
3123 cm3 90° V6
Cylinders
Bore × stroke 84.5 mm × 92.8 mm (0.91 ratio), 520.4 cc/cylinder, 90 mm spaced, aluminium block
Crankshaft
aluminium
Heads
aluminium, 4 valves per cylinder, DOHC, 12.5:1 Compression ratio, chain driven camshafts, continuously variable valve timing system both for intake and exhaust
Fuel system
common rail FSI high-pressure injection between 30 and 100 bar.
Aspiration
variable intake manifold
Exhaust
two ceramic catalytic converters
Dimensions
360 mm length, 430 mm width, 169.5 kg (aluminium engine)
Output
188 kW (255 hp) @ 6500 rpm, 330 N·m @ 3250 rpm, 90% available between 1900 and 5900 rpm, 7200 rpm max
191 kW (260 hp) @ 6500 rpm in the A8.
Applications
2005 Audi A8, Audi A6, Audi A4
references
Audi AG (2004-04-08). "New Audi A6 In Depth". Press release.
Awards
Was placed in the 2005 annual list of Ward's 10 Best Engines.

OctaviaT81 · 10-01-2008, 16:01

That sounds like the one Skisbp!

Supurbia · 10-01-2008, 17:34

I think the size or lack of it of the boot panel where it meets the C pillar is ruining the look of it, it's got a kinda exec look that goes off in to mundane rep hatch ground, have to see it in the flesh to really get an idea.

And I've never been a fan of rear lights that encroach in to the boot panel.

barts2 · 10-01-2008, 18:55

hi lads im new here im the proud owner of an 06 vrs bought it new and wat a car i was goin to but the new mazda6 sport but think il wait for the new superb looks fab 2ltr turbo engine in it wud be great i live in ireland do any of ye no wen its available ?? i red its out in the autumn too late wat do ye think lads are they any prices for it yet.......skoda fan....

Supurbia · 10-01-2008, 19:06

It's summer I believe.

skodayouth · 10-01-2008, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnjohnhealy

It's never going to have a 3.6 engine in it, lets not get silly now, it's a Skoda.

Did you imagine 10 years ago that a Skoda would have a 2.8V6 or vRS models with turbo'd engines?

I think that it's a realistic possibility to get something 3.0 Litres Plus, the 2.8V6 isn't that fast on paper at least due to the size and weight of the car, and what with this one being even bigger, I think it could happen

skisbp · 10-01-2008, 22:13

Only one problem it won't fit... The whole transverse/longitudinal thing... The 1 below is what would fit...

250 hp 3.2L VR6
Configuration
3189 cm3 15° VR6
Cylinders
bore * stroke 84*95.9 mm, 531 cc per cylinder
Head
four-valve, two overhead camshafts per cylinder bank, continuous timing adjustment, 52 degrees on the inlet, 22 degrees on the outlet, roller rocker arms with hydraulic play compensation
Ignition
individual ignition coil
Output
173 kW (235 hp) @ 6,200 rpm, 315 N·m from 2950 rpm in T5
176 kW (241 hp) @ 6,200 rpm, 320 N·m from 2,500 to 3,000 rpm
184 kW (250 hp) @ 6,300 rpm, 320 N·m from 2,500 to 3,000 rpm
Sources
GermanCarFans New Volkswagen Golf R32 09-23-2005
applications
VW Golf R32, Audi A3, Audi TT, VW Touareg, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne, VW Phaeton

skisbp · 10-01-2008, 22:20

& for all our doubters here!!! the top line engine now confirmed...

280 hp 3.6L VR6 FSI
This bigger VR6 with a narrower angle will be made available for the US market before Europe.

Configuration
3598 cc 10.6° VR6
Cylinders
Bore x stroke: 89.0 x 96.4 mm, iron block
Head
aluminum, chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters, variable intake- and exhaust-valve timing, 12.0:1 compression ratio
Fuel system
FSI direct injection
Output
206 kW (280 hp DIN) @ 6200 rpm, 360 N·m (266 ft·lbf) @ 2750 rpm, 12,57 bars MEP, max 6500 rpm (20.9 m/s piston speed)
Applications
US 2006 VW Passat, 2006 Audi Q7
references
Volkswagen Passat 3.6. Car and Driver (December 2005).

Closer to the Q7's 265hp configuration though...

johnjohnhealy · 11-01-2008, 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taxi 219

Hmm.......oversize Octavia front and a Vauxhall Carlton boot lid with Renault Megane rear lights........Yuk!!!!

(I,m running because i won,t be liked now

)

See what you mean about the Vauxhall thing, think you mean the Omega though?

I still maintain it wont have anything as big as a 3.6 in it, I guess we'll see when it's released, I think people keep forgetting that it's a Skoda, a budget brand. No-one in there right mind would ever buy a 3.6 Superb, you'd have to be retarded.

I'm sure those wheels look familiar, Vectra SRi?

skisbp · 11-01-2008, 07:12

Skoda is the "Value Brand" of VAG... Reason it will have the 3.6 is the Passat all ready does!!!

Conshine · 11-01-2008, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by George_Couser

1,4 TSI 92kW 203 km/h
1,8 TSI 118kW 221 km/h [217 km/h]
3,6 FSI 191kW [254 km/h]

1,9 TDI PD 77kW 189 km/h
2,0 TDI PD 103kW 210 km/h
2,0 TDI CR 125kW 224 km/h [221 km/h]

[A/T]

Don't forget the new 155kW 2.0 CR TDi, that's got to be a contender surely...????

That would be the perfect engine for me in one.

Supurbia · 11-01-2008, 13:19

If I'm to get one it won't be for looks, as long as the DSG is in it and there is the rear leg still, it will get considered as my next one, is this a one only style? by one only I mean no dedicated saloon with a rigid rear window?

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skisbp Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Elezar, Gush Etzion, Israel Posts: 383 Members Car: 2004 Seat Ibiza Sport 1.4 16v 100bhp Thanks: 32 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Launch Photos of New Superb... A quick google shows 2 possibilities... 1st "the S2000 has a 2.0L 191kW/260hp engine." 2nd "3.0 TDI CR 165kW (225PS), 500Nm 191kW (260PS), 570Nm " that being a "Chiptuning VW Touareg"!!!

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skisbp Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Elezar, Gush Etzion, Israel Posts: 383 Members Car: 2004 Seat Ibiza Sport 1.4 16v 100bhp Thanks: 32 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Launch Photos of New Superb... A little copy paste from Wikipedia... EA113 / 827 The EA827 family was introduced in 1972 in the Audi 80 and eventually superseded by the EA113 evolution introduced in 1993. Both share the same 88 mm cylinder spacing. It was later updated with direct injection, to be topped by the 265 PS 2.0L TFSI. 40 million engines have been produced. It was replaced by the EA888 project introduced with the 1.8L TFSI below. 170-265 hp 2.0 TFSI I4 Engine code BPY (North America); AXX or BWA (Rest of world) Configuration 1,984 cc water cooled inline 4, based on the naturally aspired 2.0 FSI Cylinders bore × stroke 82.5 × 92.8 mm (0.89 rati), 496 cc/cylinder, 10.5:1 compression ratio Block CG 25 grey cast iron, 88 mm cylinder spacing, two chain driven balancing shafts Head four-valve, low-friction roller cam follower drive, modified inlet duct geometry for high tumble values providing superior knock resistance, continuous intake camshaft adjustment Fuel system Gasoline, Fuel Stratified Injection, up to 110 bar Aspiration 0.9 bar boost turbocharger, intercooler, variable plastic controlled intake manifold with charge movement flaps adjusted by a continuous-action pilot motor dimensions 652 mm long, 648 mm wide, 666 mm high, 152 kg Output 177 kW (240 hp) at 5,700 to 6,300 rpm, 300 Nm at 2,200 to 5,500 rpm in the SEAT León Cupra 195 kW (265 PS) at 6,000 rpm, 350 Nm from 2500 to 5000 rpm in the Audi S3 (A5): 9.8:1 compression ratio, stronger pistons pins and new rings, reinforced connecting rods, new bearings, reinforced cylinder block at the main-bearing pedestals and cap, new, lightweight aluminium-silicon alloy cylinder head for high temperature resistance and strength, adjusted exhaust camshaft timing, increased cross-section high-pressure injectors, 1.2 bar boost pressure turbocharger with larger turbine and compression rotor. aftermarket 257 kW (350 PS), 450 Nm in the B&B VW Golf GTI Evo R Reference Audi AG (2004-07-19). "Audi A3 Sportback – In Depth". Press release. Awards Was placed for three consecutive years in the 2006, 2007 and 2008 annual list of Ward's 10 Best Engines.

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skisbp Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Elezar, Gush Etzion, Israel Posts: 383 Members Car: 2004 Seat Ibiza Sport 1.4 16v 100bhp Thanks: 32 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Launch Photos of New Superb... & now for my prediction (also Wikipedia sourced) !!! 255/260 hp 3.2L V6 FSI Engine codes 255 hp (190 kW)-AUK/BKH/BYU (260 hp-BPK) Configuration 3123 cm3 90° V6 Cylinders Bore × stroke 84.5 mm × 92.8 mm (0.91 ratio), 520.4 cc/cylinder, 90 mm spaced, aluminium block Crankshaft aluminium Heads aluminium, 4 valves per cylinder, DOHC, 12.5:1 Compression ratio, chain driven camshafts, continuously variable valve timing system both for intake and exhaust Fuel system common rail FSI high-pressure injection between 30 and 100 bar. Aspiration variable intake manifold Exhaust two ceramic catalytic converters Dimensions 360 mm length, 430 mm width, 169.5 kg (aluminium engine) Output 188 kW (255 hp) @ 6500 rpm, 330 N·m @ 3250 rpm, 90% available between 1900 and 5900 rpm, 7200 rpm max 191 kW (260 hp) @ 6500 rpm in the A8. Applications 2005 Audi A8, Audi A6, Audi A4 references Audi AG (2004-04-08). "New Audi A6 In Depth". Press release. Awards Was placed in the 2005 annual list of Ward's 10 Best Engines.

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skisbp Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Elezar, Gush Etzion, Israel Posts: 383 Members Car: 2004 Seat Ibiza Sport 1.4 16v 100bhp Thanks: 32 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Launch Photos of New Superb... Only one problem it won't fit... The whole transverse/longitudinal thing... The 1 below is what would fit... 250 hp 3.2L VR6 Configuration 3189 cm3 15° VR6 Cylinders bore * stroke 84*95.9 mm, 531 cc per cylinder Head four-valve, two overhead camshafts per cylinder bank, continuous timing adjustment, 52 degrees on the inlet, 22 degrees on the outlet, roller rocker arms with hydraulic play compensation Ignition individual ignition coil Output 173 kW (235 hp) @ 6,200 rpm, 315 N·m from 2950 rpm in T5 176 kW (241 hp) @ 6,200 rpm, 320 N·m from 2,500 to 3,000 rpm 184 kW (250 hp) @ 6,300 rpm, 320 N·m from 2,500 to 3,000 rpm Sources GermanCarFans New Volkswagen Golf R32 09-23-2005 applications VW Golf R32, Audi A3, Audi TT, VW Touareg, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne, VW Phaeton

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skisbp Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Elezar, Gush Etzion, Israel Posts: 383 Members Car: 2004 Seat Ibiza Sport 1.4 16v 100bhp Thanks: 32 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Launch Photos of New Superb... & for all our doubters here!!! the top line engine now confirmed... 280 hp 3.6L VR6 FSI This bigger VR6 with a narrower angle will be made available for the US market before Europe. Configuration 3598 cc 10.6° VR6 Cylinders Bore x stroke: 89.0 x 96.4 mm, iron block Head aluminum, chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters, variable intake- and exhaust-valve timing, 12.0:1 compression ratio Fuel system FSI direct injection Output 206 kW (280 hp DIN) @ 6200 rpm, 360 N·m (266 ft·lbf) @ 2750 rpm, 12,57 bars MEP, max 6500 rpm (20.9 m/s piston speed) Applications US 2006 VW Passat, 2006 Audi Q7 references Volkswagen Passat 3.6. Car and Driver (December 2005). Closer to the Q7's 265hp configuration though...

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