Superb crash safety

Joe T · 03-03-2005, 19:13

"The Audi TT, Skoda Superb and Suzuki Grand Vitara scored no marks in tests showing how much protection is given to pedestrians in a crash, said Which?"

full story here : here

Interesting that the Superb gets no marks, but that the Passat does better.

Edit: link sorted

WW_VRS · 03-03-2005, 19:36

Page moved?

bertJ · 03-03-2005, 21:11

Further article in today's Times at http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...508326,00.html

Can anyone explain why the Superb comes out so badly? It seems incredible that it's actually worse than a 4x4 Shogun.

devonutopia · 03-03-2005, 21:15

Would have thought the TT would be excellent in a crash due to the smooth lines of the bonnet to screen, etc?

Don't want to sound too harsh here, but if a pedestrian wishes to commit hari kari in a situation where an emergency stop on my part can't help.... I'd sooner be personally protected against another car hitting MY car, than comprimise that safety by making elements of my car's bodywork crushable to help cushion a pedestrians noggin!

Just my personal opinion! flame away!

Kentish · 03-03-2005, 21:27

Interesting, but the Superb differs from the Passat bonnet wise as it has shaping to provide a raised central strip ALA Octavia. This would probably make the bonnet stiffer.
I find it interesting that the Superb comes out worse than say the RangeRover, ML or even Hummer.

I would also have to say that whilst I am for protecting those in contact with cars, it would seem to me that a certain element of weight throwing is being carried out by another Euro body.

steve · 04-03-2005, 00:59

Who cares, nobody ever bought a car worrying about pedestrians,

Steve

Gwilo · 04-03-2005, 09:35

I'm with Jason on this one.
I couldn't give two hoots about the effect of my car on a pedestrian in the event of them running out in front of me.
Sure, I'd do the whole emergency stop thing, but in the event of a crash, who are any of us going to be more concerned about?
Nobody else but ourselves. Human nature is self-preservation.

Have you got another flame-suit Jason?........

Daveclar · 04-03-2005, 09:49

The tabloids over here, ie The Mirror,The Star et al are already calling these cars "Death Cars"

Gwilo · 04-03-2005, 09:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveclar

The tabloids over here, ie The Mirror,The Star et al are already calling these cars "Death Cars"

ONly if you're a pedestrian.........

cheeky · 04-03-2005, 11:19

I'd have thought some legislation on metal bull-bars would be more useful in reducing pedestrian injuries.

**robmawer** · 04-03-2005, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheeky

I'd have thought some legislation on metal bull-bars would be more useful in reducing pedestrian injuries.

I'd have thought some legislation to keep pedestrians out of the road would be more useful in reducing pedestrain injuries...

Rob.

Daveclar · 04-03-2005, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmawer

I'd have thought some legislation to keep pedestrians out of the road would be more useful in reducing pedestrain injuries...

Rob.

Gwilo · 04-03-2005, 11:28

The bull-bars one already exists, though there are ways round it (like coating them in rubber, building them into the grille etc a la Discovery/Freelander)
The pedestrian issue is far thornier - it doesn't matter what the authorities do to make the act of crossing a road safer for them, if a pedestrian wants to ignore the provisions and jump out into oncoming traffic, they will.
Rob - see what has been done to Queensway - umpteen crossings provided, low speed limits, but pedestrians will still cross 3 feet either side of the crossings, usually without looking!!

**robmawer** · 04-03-2005, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwilo

Rob - see what has been done to Queensway - umpteen crossings provided, low speed limits, but pedestrians will still cross 3 feet either side of the crossings, usually without looking!!

Yeah, that one outside Queensway Off Licence is the worst for this, it might as well not be there! I think the low speed limits have made the problem worse though, as no one's going to bother standing around waiting for pretty slow traffic...hence people are more willing to run out in front of the cars.

Worst bit along there for it (IMHO) is the intersection with Well I' Th' Lane (where the cross hatching is near Rochdale Car Audio), as loads of schoolkids cross there in the mornings and it's a horrendous bit of road for car users without small deathwish kids adding to the equation.

Mind you, I believe the council have announced some large complicated restructuring of the road to make it a complex series of one way streets...

Rob.

skoda.fr · 18-03-2005, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonutopia

Would have thought the TT would be excellent in a crash due to the smooth lines of the bonnet to screen, etc?

Don't want to sound too harsh here, but if a pedestrian wishes to commit hari kari in a situation where an emergency stop on my part can't help.... I'd sooner be personally protected against another car hitting MY car, than comprimise that safety by making elements of my car's bodywork crushable to help cushion a pedestrians noggin!

Just my personal opinion! flame away!

bounce factor

people bounce and are not thorwn

they are thrown then????????????????

all the same walk out in front of me you get it anyway!!!! i dont live in the netherlands you are only a problem not a law !!!!

MichaelD · 25-03-2005, 20:55

The thing with pedestrians is that low bumpers smash their knees and do a lot of damage, things like hummers hit them over a larger area so dont make so much mess.

I hit a pedestrian once - they got fixed for free on the NHS but I had to claim for a new bonnet. Decided I'll swerve round them in future

PetRaN · 25-06-2005, 09:05

bring me the journalist so I can run him over a couple of times!!

WW_VRS · 25-06-2005, 10:54

Surprised about the hummer though as that's well heavy. Imagine it running over your foot - ouch !

03-03-2005, 19:13	#1
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Kentish Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,245 Members Car: 4 wheels, 4 doors. Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Interesting, but the Superb differs from the Passat bonnet wise as it has shaping to provide a raised central strip ALA Octavia. This would probably make the bonnet stiffer. I find it interesting that the Superb comes out worse than say the RangeRover, ML or even Hummer. I would also have to say that whilst I am for protecting those in contact with cars, it would seem to me that a certain element of weight throwing is being carried out by another Euro body. __________________ Andy Owner of a sense of humour.

04-03-2005, 09:35	#7
Gwilo Undercover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,693 Members Car: Rustwagon Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	I'm with Jason on this one. I couldn't give two hoots about the effect of my car on a pedestrian in the event of them running out in front of me. Sure, I'd do the whole emergency stop thing, but in the event of a crash, who are any of us going to be more concerned about? Nobody else but ourselves. Human nature is self-preservation. Have you got another flame-suit Jason?........ __________________

03-03-2005, 21:11	#3
bertJ Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wirral, Merseyside Posts: 616 Members Car: Octavia Estate L&K, DSG. Honda Jazz SE Sport Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	Further article in today's Times at http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...508326,00.html Can anyone explain why the Superb comes out so badly? It seems incredible that it's actually worse than a 4x4 Shogun.

04-03-2005, 00:59	#6
steve Briskodian Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London Posts: 1,020 Members Car: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Who cares, nobody ever bought a car worrying about pedestrians, Steve

04-03-2005, 09:49	#8
Daveclar Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dublin,Ireland Posts: 745 Members Car: Black Octavia vRS Thanks: 4 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The tabloids over here, ie The Mirror,The Star et al are already calling these cars "Death Cars" __________________ 2008 Black vRS CR TDi Combi. Irish Spec,Non smokers pack,4 Electric windows, Dual zone,Jumbo box,Rain sensors,Cruise,maxidot,Trip computer,Come home lights. Extras. 18" alloys, Double visor, Active headrests. Sin a bhfuil

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cheeky Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Crowborough, East Sussex Posts: 962 Members Car: Fabia vRS Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd have thought some legislation on metal bull-bars would be more useful in reducing pedestrian injuries. __________________ Vorsprung durch Zufriedenheit

04-03-2005, 11:28	#13
Gwilo Undercover Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 3,693 Members Car: Rustwagon Thanks: 17 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	The bull-bars one already exists, though there are ways round it (like coating them in rubber, building them into the grille etc a la Discovery/Freelander) The pedestrian issue is far thornier - it doesn't matter what the authorities do to make the act of crossing a road safer for them, if a pedestrian wants to ignore the provisions and jump out into oncoming traffic, they will. Rob - see what has been done to Queensway - umpteen crossings provided, low speed limits, but pedestrians will still cross 3 feet either side of the crossings, usually without looking!! __________________

25-03-2005, 20:55	#16
MichaelD Briskodian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North West UK Posts: 104 Members Car: Superb Elegance 2.8 V6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The thing with pedestrians is that low bumpers smash their knees and do a lot of damage, things like hummers hit them over a larger area so dont make so much mess. I hit a pedestrian once - they got fixed for free on the NHS but I had to claim for a new bonnet. Decided I'll swerve round them in future

25-06-2005, 09:05	#17
PetRaN Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 118 Members Car: Superb Abt Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	bring me the journalist so I can run him over a couple of times!! __________________

25-06-2005, 10:54	#18
WW_VRS Escorted Estate Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oxfordshire/Berkshire Posts: 9,877 Members Car: Ford Escort 1.6LX + Fab Estate Thanks: 46 Thanked 86 Times in 76 Posts	Surprised about the hummer though as that's well heavy. Imagine it running over your foot - ouch ! __________________ WW --->> Project Journal (pic links in first post there) Lummox'/Ross thread on Unit18 Automotive progress on my car: here

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