Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong!

rotodiesel · 08-03-2008, 15:52

You will be lucky indeed to find a Third World diesel engine which is anything like as good as the VAG units. I have to use a big car to tow - at today's fuel prices I really value the AWX diesel engine in my old Superb.

A big Third World petrol car will be a money sink in terms of fuel bills and a 5 year warranty just ties you in to their exorbitant servicing costs - money sink twice over.

The Superb has its faults (they made the later diesels worse) but if you get the right one, look after it and get it serviced by a good independent, it represents cheap and safe motoring for its size and carrying capacity.

rotodiesel.

Supurbia · 08-03-2008, 16:14

I'm referring to backup rather than perceived quality, iirc the service costs were about the same as the Superb only more regular 10k rather than 20k, but a 5 yr warranty has to say something for the product itself, dashboard put me off last time of looking iirc, and depreciation is horrendous I admit.

Gizmo68 · 08-03-2008, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supurbia

iirc the service costs were about the same as the Superb only more regular 10k rather than 20k,

So it in reality costs twice as much to service.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supurbia

but a 5 yr warranty has to say something for the product itself, dashboard put me off last time of looking iirc, and depreciation is horrendous I admit

Depreciation isn't the real issue tho' its trying to sell it, as nobody wants a 5yr old Hyundai period, my daughter had to almost give her Accent away & that was just 3 yrs old.

Yes the Superb has its faults, but £ for £ it;s the best in it's class.

Supurbia · 08-03-2008, 17:03

Yeah I suppose it does, not sure if they do long life servicing on them yet, my main meaning in the post three back was if you want a large car with POM for 5 yrs, the Hyundai is the only one, when I nearly went for one I had it in mind that I'd have to throw it away at the end of it's time with me.

dormouse · 08-03-2008, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE KICK INSIDE

if you work out that a superb over the next two years would cost me:-

Service *2 @ £250 = £500
Cambelt £500
Brakes £150
AA cover * 2 @ £150 = £300
Clutch £400
Warrenty 2 @ £360 = £720

Driving the superb home i was struck again by how good it IS buti simply cant do with the dealers, no courtesy cars, having to fight for what's right, technical ineptitude

Well, I won't be paying those prices. I've only had a few contacts (& one service) from my local dealer who did not supply the car and they have been courteous, knowledgable and do give courtesy cars. At some point, I will switch to the local independent VAG specialist who looked after my Passat. Again, he gives a courtesy car.

Some dealers are good and some aren't; true for all marques. Having a local independent that I know is good was one of the reasons I bought a Superb in the first place.

auroan · 10-03-2008, 10:02

Clutch £400
Warrenty 2 @ £360 = £720

Ermmm... why expect the clutch to go ? My torquy V6 avant is on 156K miles and hasn't had a new clutch.

And the warrenty ... well yeah we had that discussion already.

THE KICK INSIDE · 11-03-2008, 19:34

I don't so much expect it to go, but i have been told its likely too....i agree the only clutch i have ever had replaced went at 240,000 miles...but i was told by someone 'in the know' that it was likely prior to 100,000k.....aand who am i to argue i wouldn't expect a cam shaft to be made in multiple pieces either!

auroan · 11-03-2008, 21:24

That someone 'in the know' is a big pessimist then. The sub 100K mile clutches i've seen go are from ragged/overly re-mapped cars, who have had a lot of hard launches or the clutch being ridden.

I never yet had to replace a clutch on any car I've owned.... and most have been torquey high mileage engines.

But all this is off course IMHO.... everyone choose how they budget and what then spend on their car.

Baker21 · 12-03-2008, 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by auroan

That someone 'in the know' is a big pessimist then. The sub 100K mile clutches i've seen go are from ragged/overly re-mapped cars, who have had a lot of hard launches or the clutch being ridden.

I never yet had to replace a clutch on any car I've owned.... and most have been torquey high mileage engines.

But all this is off course IMHO.... everyone choose how they budget and what then spend on their car.

Agree with you on this one mate, my Superb has 140k and has never had the clutch replaced and has been well looked after with no hard lauches.....

Having said that I guess you never can tell how long a clutch will last unless you know how the car has been driven.....

cheezemonkhai · 12-03-2008, 10:58

Don't get it, if they put a new engine in surely they put the box from the old car onto the new engine. At which point why didn't they offer to do the clutch kit for cost only?

THE KICK INSIDE · 13-03-2008, 19:38

It was a skoda dealer.......and you expect common sense.....

cheezemonkhai · 18-03-2008, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE KICK INSIDE

It was a skoda dealer.......and you expect common sense.....

Well only at a certain one, but either way surely you suggested a new clutch at cost at the same time?

auroan · 18-03-2008, 17:13

He's on about factoring a new clutch for servicing costs..... nothing to do with the engine rebuild.

cheezemonkhai · 18-03-2008, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by auroan

He's on about factoring a new clutch for servicing costs..... nothing to do with the engine rebuild.

I know, but if he knew it was going to go shortly due to the fact they all go at a certain mileage, why not ask the garage to put a new one in at cost when they have to take the old one off the old engine?

I'm saying it's a bugger it goes, but if i was having a new engine I would have had a new kit put on and saved on the labour charges.

auroan · 18-03-2008, 17:38

Ok ignore the fact that the engine went.

From what I understand the £80 a month for the merc servicing seems ok.... because he factored in the cost of a clutch replacement.... even though it's very unlikely one would go.

THE KICK INSIDE · 19-03-2008, 21:47

I didn't suggest it because i would have had to pay for it and i am not intending on keeping the car - its already the worst depreciating/most expensive running cost car I have ever owned -and i have owned (even my 4*4 import costs less to run in total and that INCLUDES sub 20 mpg fuel consumption!) and no perspective purchaser is going to give me the cost of the new clutch back....

Even if you take the clutch prices out the £80 looks pretty decent...

I certainly could do the work myself but I don't have the time...my time is (financially) worth more to me than paying (i get paid more than i pay if you see what I mean)....

For me reliability and speed of repair/service are paramount -sadly Skoda uk dont vet their dealers so they cant give me that service...so I must vote with my wallet and my feet.....

Skoda UK actually rang me up to ask if i was a 'happy driver' .... points for ringing, but I think they wont be ringing again....ever....

Supurbia · 20-03-2008, 00:55

Why is it that to sell a Superb it's oh no mate i'll give ya a tenner for it, but to buy one they outpace a Passat in value, surely if it's worth 11k on a forecourt why do they only offer you 7k for it?

cheezemonkhai · 20-03-2008, 10:09

Because sales people know they can trade on the it's only a skoda sir it isn't worth anything to buy it at a knocked down price.

They also know that if people want one on the forecourt they will pay the premium price for it. Said sales person wants maximum profit, which in turn means maximum commission for him/her.

Either that or the dealer gives a fantastic price on the new car and offsets it against a lower part ex price.

rotodiesel · 20-03-2008, 12:49

Sell it privately to someone who has a job for it. Mine will go to the local taxi outfit - he wants it now but I haven't finished with it yet. (I may keep it longer than I intended because the performance/economy is so good).

rotodiesel.

Supurbia · 20-03-2008, 13:40

When I was car hunting I went to the auctions a few times, never saw a Superb up there but there was an 05 Octy 2 diesel in basic spec that blocked for almost as much as I could buy one brand new with a discount for, £10350 plus buyers fee, £12000 would've got a new one at the time, so due to rareness and there being ppl in the audience who will want one it could be the best place to get rid of in future.

wrenko · 21-03-2008, 10:32

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08-03-2008, 15:52	#101
rotodiesel Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 672 Members Car: Thanks: 5 Thanked 85 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! You will be lucky indeed to find a Third World diesel engine which is anything like as good as the VAG units. I have to use a big car to tow - at today's fuel prices I really value the AWX diesel engine in my old Superb. A big Third World petrol car will be a money sink in terms of fuel bills and a 5 year warranty just ties you in to their exorbitant servicing costs - money sink twice over. The Superb has its faults (they made the later diesels worse) but if you get the right one, look after it and get it serviced by a good independent, it represents cheap and safe motoring for its size and carrying capacity. rotodiesel.

08-03-2008, 16:14	#102
Supurbia Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 991 Members Car: Superb 1.9 TDi Auto Thanks: 2 Thanked 36 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! I'm referring to backup rather than perceived quality, iirc the service costs were about the same as the Superb only more regular 10k rather than 20k, but a 5 yr warranty has to say something for the product itself, dashboard put me off last time of looking iirc, and depreciation is horrendous I admit.

08-03-2008, 17:03	#104
Supurbia Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 991 Members Car: Superb 1.9 TDi Auto Thanks: 2 Thanked 36 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Yeah I suppose it does, not sure if they do long life servicing on them yet, my main meaning in the post three back was if you want a large car with POM for 5 yrs, the Hyundai is the only one, when I nearly went for one I had it in mind that I'd have to throw it away at the end of it's time with me.

10-03-2008, 10:02	#106
auroan Briskoda Staff Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2,912 Members Car: AUDI A4 B7 2.0 TDI SE Saloon Thanks: 212 Thanked 114 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Clutch £400 Warrenty 2 @ £360 = £720 Ermmm... why expect the clutch to go ? My torquy V6 avant is on 156K miles and hasn't had a new clutch. And the warrenty ... well yeah we had that discussion already. __________________ '05 Audi A4 2.0 Tdi SE - no mods until the warrenty expires ... yeah right... interior light pack, 3 spoke mfsw. '00 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro - Gone.... (bleeding money pit ) Audi A4 2.6 Avant (Breaking - Check out http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/auroan)

11-03-2008, 19:34	#107
THE KICK INSIDE Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: STAFFORDSHIRE Posts: 62 Members Car: skoda superb 2.5 v6 TDI Comfort Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! I don't so much expect it to go, but i have been told its likely too....i agree the only clutch i have ever had replaced went at 240,000 miles...but i was told by someone 'in the know' that it was likely prior to 100,000k.....aand who am i to argue i wouldn't expect a cam shaft to be made in multiple pieces either!

11-03-2008, 21:24	#108
auroan Briskoda Staff Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2,912 Members Car: AUDI A4 B7 2.0 TDI SE Saloon Thanks: 212 Thanked 114 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! That someone 'in the know' is a big pessimist then. The sub 100K mile clutches i've seen go are from ragged/overly re-mapped cars, who have had a lot of hard launches or the clutch being ridden. I never yet had to replace a clutch on any car I've owned.... and most have been torquey high mileage engines. But all this is off course IMHO.... everyone choose how they budget and what then spend on their car. __________________ '05 Audi A4 2.0 Tdi SE - no mods until the warrenty expires ... yeah right... interior light pack, 3 spoke mfsw. '00 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro - Gone.... (bleeding money pit ) Audi A4 2.6 Avant (Breaking - Check out http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/auroan)

12-03-2008, 10:58	#110
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,665 Members Car: Thanks: 123 Thanked 527 Times in 488 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Don't get it, if they put a new engine in surely they put the box from the old car onto the new engine. At which point why didn't they offer to do the clutch kit for cost only? __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

13-03-2008, 19:38	#111
THE KICK INSIDE Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: STAFFORDSHIRE Posts: 62 Members Car: skoda superb 2.5 v6 TDI Comfort Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! It was a skoda dealer.......and you expect common sense.....

18-03-2008, 17:13	#113
auroan Briskoda Staff Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2,912 Members Car: AUDI A4 B7 2.0 TDI SE Saloon Thanks: 212 Thanked 114 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! He's on about factoring a new clutch for servicing costs..... nothing to do with the engine rebuild. __________________ '05 Audi A4 2.0 Tdi SE - no mods until the warrenty expires ... yeah right... interior light pack, 3 spoke mfsw. '00 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro - Gone.... (bleeding money pit ) Audi A4 2.6 Avant (Breaking - Check out http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/auroan)

18-03-2008, 17:38	#115
auroan Briskoda Staff Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 2,912 Members Car: AUDI A4 B7 2.0 TDI SE Saloon Thanks: 212 Thanked 114 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Ok ignore the fact that the engine went. From what I understand the £80 a month for the merc servicing seems ok.... because he factored in the cost of a clutch replacement.... even though it's very unlikely one would go. __________________ '05 Audi A4 2.0 Tdi SE - no mods until the warrenty expires ... yeah right... interior light pack, 3 spoke mfsw. '00 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro - Gone.... (bleeding money pit ) Audi A4 2.6 Avant (Breaking - Check out http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/auroan)

19-03-2008, 21:47	#116
THE KICK INSIDE Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: STAFFORDSHIRE Posts: 62 Members Car: skoda superb 2.5 v6 TDI Comfort Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! I didn't suggest it because i would have had to pay for it and i am not intending on keeping the car - its already the worst depreciating/most expensive running cost car I have ever owned -and i have owned (even my 4*4 import costs less to run in total and that INCLUDES sub 20 mpg fuel consumption!) and no perspective purchaser is going to give me the cost of the new clutch back.... Even if you take the clutch prices out the £80 looks pretty decent... I certainly could do the work myself but I don't have the time...my time is (financially) worth more to me than paying (i get paid more than i pay if you see what I mean).... For me reliability and speed of repair/service are paramount -sadly Skoda uk dont vet their dealers so they cant give me that service...so I must vote with my wallet and my feet..... Skoda UK actually rang me up to ask if i was a 'happy driver' .... points for ringing, but I think they wont be ringing again....ever....

20-03-2008, 00:55	#117
Supurbia Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 991 Members Car: Superb 1.9 TDi Auto Thanks: 2 Thanked 36 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Why is it that to sell a Superb it's oh no mate i'll give ya a tenner for it, but to buy one they outpace a Passat in value, surely if it's worth 11k on a forecourt why do they only offer you 7k for it?

20-03-2008, 10:09	#118
cheezemonkhai Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 15,665 Members Car: Thanks: 123 Thanked 527 Times in 488 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Because sales people know they can trade on the it's only a skoda sir it isn't worth anything to buy it at a knocked down price. They also know that if people want one on the forecourt they will pay the premium price for it. Said sales person wants maximum profit, which in turn means maximum commission for him/her. Either that or the dealer gives a fantastic price on the new car and offsets it against a lower part ex price. __________________ Cars make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By driving your car you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.

20-03-2008, 12:49	#119
rotodiesel Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 672 Members Car: Thanks: 5 Thanked 85 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! Sell it privately to someone who has a job for it. Mine will go to the local taxi outfit - he wants it now but I haven't finished with it yet. (I may keep it longer than I intended because the performance/economy is so good). rotodiesel.

20-03-2008, 13:40	#120
Supurbia Briskodian Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 991 Members Car: Superb 1.9 TDi Auto Thanks: 2 Thanked 36 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Yes its out of warrenty...so now its all going wrong! When I was car hunting I went to the auctions a few times, never saw a Superb up there but there was an 05 Octy 2 diesel in basic spec that blocked for almost as much as I could buy one brand new with a discount for, £10350 plus buyers fee, £12000 would've got a new one at the time, so due to rareness and there being ppl in the audience who will want one it could be the best place to get rid of in future.

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