Defragmenting in the enterprise

***Neo_VR*** · 01-09-2008, 18:43

.. and no not the starship!!

Do any of you IT peeps have any kind of policy for disc defragmentation on servers?.
Here we have diskkeeper on our file-servers but thats it. im starting to suffer performance issues backing up the smaller DL360 2 disc servers, and in almost every case the drives are quite fragmented.. IIS servers are the worst for it!..
is there any bit of defrag software that can be run remotely and doesnt need to install a client on each machine?

Thx in advance

Lummox · 01-09-2008, 18:44

Yes Colin I know exactly what you mean.

Dr Zoidberg · 01-09-2008, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lummox

Yes Colin I know exactly what you mean.

Unlike you I *do* know what he means , but I don't have any suggestions.

Lummox · 01-09-2008, 19:04

Poor bloke isnt much better off then.

***Neo_VR*** · 01-09-2008, 19:16

well after a quick google ive come up with a few ideas...
on Win2k3 defrag can be called via WMI....

also a very crude way of doing it would be using psexec to call it from remote commandline.

Ill have to have a play around and defrag machines on the sly

Kaiserb_uk · 01-09-2008, 19:51

We use Diskkeeper on pretty much all (~60) our servers, it has an admin console for making sure they're all doing what they ought.

devonutopia · 01-09-2008, 19:58

"She ca' nee take it, Cap'ain"

**robmawer** · 01-09-2008, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Do any of you IT peeps have any kind of policy for disc defragmentation on servers?

Yes, we have a two word policy..."run Solaris".

HTH.

Rob.

gadgetman · 01-09-2008, 22:31

Have you tried Perfect disk instead?

Much better IME than disk keeper. Not sure how prices compare for commercial though.

cheezemonkhai · 02-09-2008, 10:22

What file systems are you running Colin and on which OS? I assume all windows, which is a shame.

Can I ask why each server has enough on disk that you're seeing fragmentation issues as surely you'd just want to run a SAN or some NAS if the company is smaller.

***Neo_VR*** · 02-09-2008, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheezemonkhai

What file systems are you running Colin and on which OS? I assume all windows, which is a shame.

Can I ask why each server has enough on disk that you're seeing fragmentation issues as surely you'd just want to run a SAN or some NAS if the company is smaller.

Basically our company has a habit of over-speccing servers.. because our hosting team dont understand requirements and performance monitoring they go OTT..
we have a project on the horizon for virtualisation and storage consolidation but the only thing im concerned with at the mo is getting throughput to drive my LTO4 library.

even now... yesterday 2 new machines arrived... both with over a TB of local SAS discs and quad-quad core.. 32gb ram etc... for a fecking sql server.

***Neo_VR*** · 02-09-2008, 11:11

Oh while your here Mark... simple question from your point of view...
Netapp FAS or HP EVA?

auroan · 02-09-2008, 11:24

Neither..... but thats a long story.

cheezemonkhai · 02-09-2008, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Oh while your here Mark... simple question from your point of view...
Netapp FAS or HP EVA?

I couldn't possibly comment.

I'm on MSN a lot these days mind if you wanted to chat about something else

cheezemonkhai · 02-09-2008, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

Basically our company has a habit of over-speccing servers.. because our hosting team dont understand requirements and performance monitoring they go OTT..
we have a project on the horizon for virtualisation and storage consolidation but the only thing im concerned with at the mo is getting throughput to drive my LTO4 library.

even now... yesterday 2 new machines arrived... both with over a TB of local SAS discs and quad-quad core.. 32gb ram etc... for a fecking sql server.

1TB local SAS discs? What the hell are they doing?

Dual or Quad core depending on the DB load, and a pair of SATA drives in RAID 1 for the OS, then do the rest of the storage on a SAN.

Are all the machines having major issues?

If is worth staging the data to disk and then to LTO or does it need to go direct to LTO?

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