Oil advice and recommendations here!!

oilman · 07-02-2005, 17:01

Hello all,

I see many oil related threads popping up from time to time, so I thought I would start a thread dedicated to this toppic, hopefully in time it will become an FAQ as it relates to all of us.

If you have any questions, queries or thoughts, post away.

I will do my best to answere any questions and will give the best possible, profesional advice that I can.

Hopefully the mods will make it a sticky??

Cheers

Guy.

wd40 · 07-02-2005, 17:27

More power to you Guy !

I think the combination of specific oil requirements, poorly phrased Handbooks and badly informed dealers will keep you busy

oilman · 07-02-2005, 17:39

Good good.

There is something happening in the oil world though! they are currently developing and should be available soon 1 oil to meet all the VW codes, so a one stop shop saving the hassle of figuring out what oil is for what.

I will keep you posted on the developments.

Cheers

Guy.

Spanner · 07-02-2005, 19:01

Good idea! i'm going crazy trying to understand it all.

Do you know where i could find details of what 505 00 (for example) actually means? i.e documents, specifications. more just for interest i suppose. and whats the difference between 505 00 and 505 01?

oilman · 07-02-2005, 22:18

Volkswagen Group Oil Specifications and their Applications

VW 500.00
This is an “old” oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999)
Viscosity ratings: SAE 5w-40, 10w-40 or 20w-40
This oil can be used in all petrol and some diesel engines, apart from those referred to under other specifications.

VW 501.01
This is another “old” oil specification with exactly the same application as
VW 500.00.
Viscosity ratings: SAE 10w-40, 15w-40 or 20w-40

VW 502.00
This oil can only be used in petrol engines and is recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications.
Viscosity ratings: SAE 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40

VW 503.00
This is a relatively new oil specification for petrol engines with variable service intervals. It includes the AUDI S4, but not the RS4, or the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp.
Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30

VW 503.01
A new oil specification specifically for the RS4, and the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp, Passat W8 and Phaeton W12.
Viscosity rating: 0w-30

VW 505.00
For all diesel engines prior to model year 2000 (August 1999)
Viscosity rating: 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40

VW 505.01
For all diesel engines with unit injectors (Pumpe-Duse or PD) without variable service intervals.
Viscosity rating: SAE 5w-40

VW 506.00
For all diesel engines except those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals.
Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30

VW 506.01
For all diesel engines, including those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals.
Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30

Cheers

john999 · 08-02-2005, 17:27

I have read that the Fabia VRS requires 4.3 litres of VW 505.01 oil.
Is there a fully synthetic Oil that comes in 5 Litre cans, cos I don't really want to buy 2x4 litres

oilman · 08-02-2005, 17:38

We have handy 1ltr bottles to make your 4ltr into 5ltr.

1 x 1ltr Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL PD 5w-40 £5.60

CHeers

Guy.

Tigger_1979 · 09-02-2005, 19:50

are you not aloud to recommend other brands Oilman?
because I found out other Day that the Miller oil has a higher API rating to the fuchs oil

oilman · 09-02-2005, 20:41

What do you mean by higher API? You can't get higher than SL.

Why would I recommend Millers when I can't supply it.

I supply 6 brands already.

Castrol, Mobil, Fuchs, Silkolene, Total and Motul - it's more than enough for me.

Cheers
Guy

Puddenchucker · 09-02-2005, 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilman

What do you mean by higher API? You can't get higher than SL.

I see on the Mobil website that they are listing some Mobil 1 products as API SL/SM, so has SL now been superseded by SM?

Edit:
From the API website (.pdf)
API SM

stockcar · 09-02-2005, 21:39

Millers were one of the first companies to comply and recieve full VW approval for its specific oil applications (variable service life)........................

Simon/Guy/ whatever hes called on this forum doesn't recomend them...........???

***DGW*** · 09-02-2005, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockcar

Millers were one of the first companies to comply and recieve full VW approval for its specific oil applications (variable service life)........................

Simon/Guy/ whatever hes called on this forum doesn't recomend them...........???

I understand that Simon is Guy's brother. They split posting on different forums between them. Guy has already explained why he doesn't recommend Millers.

stockcar · 10-02-2005, 08:27

sorry, maybe i didn't express my post very well...........................what i meant was that you don't have to sell something to have an opinion on it, or am i missing the point here??

they obviously have a large range at their disposal, but recently decided that Motul was a brand to add after some negative feedback on other forums.................

merely a passing comment, as Simon will know due to our conversations on other oil threads..............

oilman · 10-02-2005, 09:20

We added Motul due to results of chemical testing and it proved to be very good quality, the only one we had come accross with a similar quality to the Silkolene.

We could stock Millers and recomend them, however most of the oils are no good to us, and why stock just the VW apporved spec ones when we already supply and stock the ones used on factory fill.

Cheers

Guy.

Tigger_1979 · 10-02-2005, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilman

What do you mean by higher API? You can't get higher than SL.

Why would I recommend Millers when I can't supply it.

I supply 6 brands already.

Castrol, Mobil, Fuchs, Silkolene, Total and Motul - it's more than enough for me.

Cheers
Guy

I got a Deisel Engine and you told us S? was petrol and C? was for Deisel on the API rating and Millers VW505.01 oil is CH4 and all others i seen are only CF so the Millers has a higher API rating? but its only a semi Synthetic
so what does the API ratings mean?

oilman · 10-02-2005, 15:52

Here you go!

API = American Petroleum Institute
S = Service - Petrol Engine Performance
C = Commercisl - Diesel Engine Performance

PETROL

SG - Introduced 1989 has much more active dispersant to combat black sludge.

SH - Introduced 1993 has same engine tests as SG, but includes phosphorus limit 0.12%, together with control of foam, volatility and shear stability.

SJ - Introduced 1996 has the same engine tests as SG/SH, but phosphorus limit 0.10% together with variation on volatility limits

SL - Introduced 2001, all new engine tests reflective of modern engine designs meeting current emmissions standards

DIESEL

CD - Introduced 1955, international standard for turbo diesel engine oils for many years, uses single cylinder test engine only

CE - Introduced 1984, improved control of oil consumption, oil thickening, piston deposits an wear, uses additional multi cylinder test engines

CF4 - Introduced 1990, further improvements in control of oil consumption and piston deposits, uses low emmission test engine

CF - Introduced 1994, modernised version of CD, reverts to single cylinder low emission test engine. Intended for certain indirect injection engines

CF2 - Introduced 1994, defines effective control of cylinder deposits and ring face scuffing, intended for 2 stroke diesel engines

CG4 - Introduced 1994, development of CF4 giving improved control of piston deposits, wear, oxidation stability and soot entrainment. Uses low sulphur diesel fuel in engine tests

CH4 - Introduced 1998, development of CG4, giving further improvements in control of soot related wear and piston deposits, uses more comprehensive engine test program to include low and high sulphur fuelsSG - Introduced 1989 has much more active dispersant to combat black sludge.

One point about API specifications.

API specifications are minimum specifications for oils. They exist for your safety so that you have reasonable assurance that an oil will "adequately" protect your engine. However, these are not, by any means, a standard by which you could determine whether an oil was good or not. As an example, you'll find that even a cheap oil which costs next to nothing will most likely carry the API SL rating. That should tell you something about how hard it is to attain that rating.

Cheers
Simon

***DGW*** · 10-02-2005, 17:20

The Engine Oil Bible here is worth reading to learn more about engine oil. And welcome on Briskoda, Simon.

Fasterbaby · 10-02-2005, 18:30

I take it then that this Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL 0w-30 (VW502.00 505.00 503.01)
Is the oil i should use for best protection for my remapped Occy VRS, which will be changed every 6 months, or 5000 miles? I have changed my order in the group buy from the LL version as i am not going to run variable servicing.

Puddenchucker · 10-02-2005, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilman

As an example, you'll find that even a cheap oil which costs next to nothing will most likely carry the API SL rating. That should tell you something about how hard it is to attain that rating.

Do you think that's the reason VW (and a few other manufacturers) have developed their own standards, or is there some other reason?

oilman · 10-02-2005, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddenchucker

Do you think that's the reason VW (and a few other manufacturers) have developed their own standards, or is there some other reason?

Most definately part of the reason. VAG are hot on quality control and are much more advanced than most OEM's when it comes to oils. All their oils are developed in partnership with Fuchs who are about to release oils meeting the new VW 504.00 and 507.00 which will replace and consolidate the number of codes, making selection easier.

See the consolidation into one all embracing product attached to this post (available soon in the UK but date TBA).

Cheers
Simon

07-02-2005, 17:01	#1
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	Oil advice and recommendations here!! Hello all, I see many oil related threads popping up from time to time, so I thought I would start a thread dedicated to this toppic, hopefully in time it will become an FAQ as it relates to all of us. If you have any questions, queries or thoughts, post away. I will do my best to answere any questions and will give the best possible, profesional advice that I can. Hopefully the mods will make it a sticky?? Cheers Guy.

09-02-2005, 21:39	#11
stockcar Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: north east Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Millers were one of the first companies to comply and recieve full VW approval for its specific oil applications (variable service life)........................ Simon/Guy/ whatever hes called on this forum doesn't recomend them...........??? __________________ ASPerformance PELTOR, COMPOMOTIVE, PAGID MOTUL, FERODO, SPEEDLINE, TRS, MINTEX, PIAA, HELLA, MILLERS OILS new online shop!!

10-02-2005, 08:27	#13
stockcar Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: north east Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sorry, maybe i didn't express my post very well...........................what i meant was that you don't have to sell something to have an opinion on it, or am i missing the point here?? they obviously have a large range at their disposal, but recently decided that Motul was a brand to add after some negative feedback on other forums................. merely a passing comment, as Simon will know due to our conversations on other oil threads.............. __________________ ASPerformance PELTOR, COMPOMOTIVE, PAGID MOTUL, FERODO, SPEEDLINE, TRS, MINTEX, PIAA, HELLA, MILLERS OILS new online shop!!

10-02-2005, 17:20	#17
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10-02-2005, 18:30	#18
Fasterbaby Briskodian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 732 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I take it then that this Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL 0w-30 (VW502.00 505.00 503.01) Is the oil i should use for best protection for my remapped Occy VRS, which will be changed every 6 months, or 5000 miles? I have changed my order in the group buy from the LL version as i am not going to run variable servicing. __________________ www.fasterbaby.co.uk www.ulcebybengals.co.uk My gallery Ex Octavia Vrs, now Volvo 850 T5 Rica'd to 304 bhp.

07-02-2005, 17:27	#2
wd40 Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More power to you Guy ! I think the combination of specific oil requirements, poorly phrased Handbooks and badly informed dealers will keep you busy

07-02-2005, 17:39	#3
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	Good good. There is something happening in the oil world though! they are currently developing and should be available soon 1 oil to meet all the VW codes, so a one stop shop saving the hassle of figuring out what oil is for what. I will keep you posted on the developments. Cheers Guy.

07-02-2005, 19:01	#4
Spanner Briskodian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mid Beds Posts: 412 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Good idea! i'm going crazy trying to understand it all. Do you know where i could find details of what 505 00 (for example) actually means? i.e documents, specifications. more just for interest i suppose. and whats the difference between 505 00 and 505 01?

07-02-2005, 22:18	#5
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	Volkswagen Group Oil Specifications and their Applications VW 500.00 This is an “old” oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999) Viscosity ratings: SAE 5w-40, 10w-40 or 20w-40 This oil can be used in all petrol and some diesel engines, apart from those referred to under other specifications. VW 501.01 This is another “old” oil specification with exactly the same application as VW 500.00. Viscosity ratings: SAE 10w-40, 15w-40 or 20w-40 VW 502.00 This oil can only be used in petrol engines and is recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications. Viscosity ratings: SAE 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40 VW 503.00 This is a relatively new oil specification for petrol engines with variable service intervals. It includes the AUDI S4, but not the RS4, or the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30 VW 503.01 A new oil specification specifically for the RS4, and the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp, Passat W8 and Phaeton W12. Viscosity rating: 0w-30 VW 505.00 For all diesel engines prior to model year 2000 (August 1999) Viscosity rating: 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40 VW 505.01 For all diesel engines with unit injectors (Pumpe-Duse or PD) without variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 5w-40 VW 506.00 For all diesel engines except those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30 VW 506.01 For all diesel engines, including those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30 Cheers

08-02-2005, 17:27	#6
john999 Briskodian Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have read that the Fabia VRS requires 4.3 litres of VW 505.01 oil. Is there a fully synthetic Oil that comes in 5 Litre cans, cos I don't really want to buy 2x4 litres

08-02-2005, 17:38	#7
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	We have handy 1ltr bottles to make your 4ltr into 5ltr. 1 x 1ltr Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL PD 5w-40 £5.60 CHeers Guy.

09-02-2005, 19:50	#8
Tigger_1979 Briskodian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Yate, Bristol, South West Posts: 1,808 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	are you not aloud to recommend other brands Oilman? because I found out other Day that the Miller oil has a higher API rating to the fuchs oil

09-02-2005, 20:41	#9
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	What do you mean by higher API? You can't get higher than SL. Why would I recommend Millers when I can't supply it. I supply 6 brands already. Castrol, Mobil, Fuchs, Silkolene, Total and Motul - it's more than enough for me. Cheers Guy

10-02-2005, 09:20	#14
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	We added Motul due to results of chemical testing and it proved to be very good quality, the only one we had come accross with a similar quality to the Silkolene. We could stock Millers and recomend them, however most of the oils are no good to us, and why stock just the VW apporved spec ones when we already supply and stock the ones used on factory fill. Cheers Guy.

10-02-2005, 15:52	#16
oilman Site Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 384 Thanks: 0 Thanked 39 Times in 12 Posts	Here you go! API = American Petroleum Institute S = Service - Petrol Engine Performance C = Commercisl - Diesel Engine Performance PETROL SG - Introduced 1989 has much more active dispersant to combat black sludge. SH - Introduced 1993 has same engine tests as SG, but includes phosphorus limit 0.12%, together with control of foam, volatility and shear stability. SJ - Introduced 1996 has the same engine tests as SG/SH, but phosphorus limit 0.10% together with variation on volatility limits SL - Introduced 2001, all new engine tests reflective of modern engine designs meeting current emmissions standards DIESEL CD - Introduced 1955, international standard for turbo diesel engine oils for many years, uses single cylinder test engine only CE - Introduced 1984, improved control of oil consumption, oil thickening, piston deposits an wear, uses additional multi cylinder test engines CF4 - Introduced 1990, further improvements in control of oil consumption and piston deposits, uses low emmission test engine CF - Introduced 1994, modernised version of CD, reverts to single cylinder low emission test engine. Intended for certain indirect injection engines CF2 - Introduced 1994, defines effective control of cylinder deposits and ring face scuffing, intended for 2 stroke diesel engines CG4 - Introduced 1994, development of CF4 giving improved control of piston deposits, wear, oxidation stability and soot entrainment. Uses low sulphur diesel fuel in engine tests CH4 - Introduced 1998, development of CG4, giving further improvements in control of soot related wear and piston deposits, uses more comprehensive engine test program to include low and high sulphur fuelsSG - Introduced 1989 has much more active dispersant to combat black sludge. One point about API specifications. API specifications are minimum specifications for oils. They exist for your safety so that you have reasonable assurance that an oil will "adequately" protect your engine. However, these are not, by any means, a standard by which you could determine whether an oil was good or not. As an example, you'll find that even a cheap oil which costs next to nothing will most likely carry the API SL rating. That should tell you something about how hard it is to attain that rating. Cheers Simon

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