Brake Judder On L&k

[Stuart_J]

My Wifes L&K has developed brake judder which appears to be indicating a warped disc/discs. The car has only covered 6000 Miles & is driven fairly gently compared with the 4x4.

The car is going to the dealers in the next few days to be looked at but I just wondered if anybody else has experienced similar problems or disc failure with Skodas at such low mileage

[Stuart_J]

Just back from dealer, confirmed new discs needed, 6000 miles !!!

[Quinten]

Thats a bit early :eek:

Does she drive 2 footed ?

[ncarring]

Originally posted by Stuart_J in this post

The car has only covered 6000 Miles & is driven fairly gently compared with the 4x4.

Gently??!!! We've seen (and heard about) Wendy's driving :eek: :p

[stopan1j]

You are probably aware but just in case - Discs can be warped by leaving the foot on brake at trafic lights after heavy braking a local area is cooled thus warping the disc - same reason why people on track days after a run do not apply the handbrake after a blast

John

[Stuart_J]

Nick,

I will pass on youre obsevations to Wendy !!

For some reason her car is always driven gently as it has to be looked after ! She seems to save her enthusiasm for my cars although she is still fairly respectful, Still keeps asking when the 4x4 is going to Jabba though.

John,

I had not heard that before but it may be a possibility, all I will say is she drives about 40,000 miles a year & has never warped a disc before on the previous Fords & Vauxhalls so I would be worried if Skoda discs were that suseptible.

The problem developed whilst we were in France, we were running the car 5 up + luggage therefore I guess max weight & did quite a few 100-0 stops at the toll booths on the peages when the brakes would have been fairly cool, it would have been quite a long way since they were last used.

I will add with 2 kids in the car the braking was gentle but would this create more heat than a sharp application of the brakes & then following Jons thought the car would have been held on the footbrake whilst paying the toll

Whatever I still think 6000 miles is not exactly good enough although we arent paying & the dealer is doing pads as well withought being asked to (I would have "suggested it")

Stuart

[DGW]

FWIW, we used to have a bottom of the range Metro which, for some reason, was fitted with relatively large ventilated front discs. Although the car was driven relatively gently, and mainly on short local trips, the front discs had to be replaced at 20K because they had warped which lead in turn to brake judder. I was advised at the time that solid discs are less prone to warping than ventilated ones, and that it was common for the Metro's ventilated discs to warp. :(

[Fabpreza]

Does seem unusual for Audi/VW group brakes as the spec appears to be up to normal use.

But no quibbles fromt the dealer.

The last car I had that warped discs was a Celica GT4 which was underbraked and warped after a few

hard stops. Whilst the brakes are being used harder on mine due to the extra power, and I will upgrade when

[Dmac1969vRS]

Hi all

Never had this problem on my 2 Octavias (so far!) , but it used to happen all the time on my Capris , I was lucky to get a year out of brake discs , not due to use , just the warping issue!

[Stuart_J]

Nick,

Have conveyed your thoughts to Wendy

B******S came the reply

[ncarring]

ROFLMAO :rofl:

[stopan1j]

Originally posted by Fabpreza in this post

Slow down earlier at the peages in future.... and watch the speedtrap around Bethune (way back to Calais) !

eek, been this way numerous times will watch out in future.

thanks

[Gwilo]

GUYS AND GALS!!!

Octavia 2.0 GLXi, May 2001, had the garage fit new brake discs before I took the car as the current set exhibited signs of severe warping, juddering from low speeds. At the time, the car read just over 15,000 miles. Given it had previously been a fleet car, i wasn't unduly concerned by this

around 23,000 miles, I was back at the dealers,warped front discs again.

apparently not covered under warranty, it cost

[Stuart_J]

John dance at Impresive is looking at doing a Group N disc & pad package which may well be the most cost effective way to go. Bewarned DONT FIT EBC, I had them on the Subaru & they were absolutely useless, great adverts & pretty looking discs but they dont work !! (IMO)

Also contact TaviaRS as hes a bit of a break specialist & certainly tests them fairly hard (God did I actually say fairly)

Also drilled & grooved can lead to slight rumbling noises under light breaking which can be anoying

Stuart

[TaviaRS]

I've only ever slightly warped the standard disc, never the grp n ones.

John is correct about the letting them cool after heavy braking. It doesn't actually have to be that heavy, could just be prolonged medium braking.

Javaman, I too am on my 4th set of discs in 20 months :eek: However, I know why I am. Probaly something to do with over 90,000 miles including nearly 8,000 track miles. That and running full race pads at times which eat discs.

I did actually slightly warp the standard ones but that was cured in my normal cowboy manner. Jacked the front of the car, put it on axle stands, put some glass paper between the pad and the disc and ran it at 30mph for about 5 minutes et voila, one set of DIY skimmed discs

The other thing it could be is not warped discs but pad knock off. This is where the pad isn't seated properly within the calliper and as a consequence vibrates against the disc. A couple of very heavy brake applications should cure this (OK the car will vibrate a tad ) but it usually works.

[Gwilo]

Correction and Amplification time on the brake fiasco......

First off, i don't mind the lighgt rumbling that might result from drilled/grooved discs as long as they last significantly longer than the fronts have lasted in the past.

Though i'm not concious of having changed my driving style since the previous set, it wasn't the fronts that had gone skew-wiff - 'twas the rears. Almost totally gone in 34,000 miles?!?!

So that stung me

[boy_exley]

Hello.

Sorry for digging up an old thread, but needing some advice.

Picked up my nice 10month old black vRS on Sunday from a very friendly dealer (they always are when you give them money!), only to find it suffering from shocking brake judder. after reading the threads here it looks like a 12k car is not actually unheard of to suffer form this....

After a few phone calls to-ing and fro-ing it looks like the discs are going to be replace under warranty but i will have to fork out for the pads.

Now if I am forking out for some pads, I might as well get some goods ones. Are there any people could reccomend as worthy to purchase that are better than the standard offerings, or will it have to be a whole system upgrade to make a difference.

Cheers

!P

[fen_l&k]

No advice on pads, but a welcome to Briskoda instead!!

Cheers,

Howard

[Stuart_J]

Re Pads, If you fit new discs you always need new pads therefore dealer has a cheek asking you to pay for the pads.

Best ones are IMO Ferrodo ds2500 but they arent cheap, failing that probably Mintex

Tavia RS is probably the best guy to talk to, he appears to have tested to destruction just about every form of disc/pad combination with std callipers

Re the discs, see what the dealer is paying, it may be worth you adding to it & getting better discs

I Personally would recomend staying well clear of anything made by EBC, Adverts are fantastic but I found on the Subaru the product was absolutely useless, far worse than std scoob.

[Stuart_J]

Just to add, re the l&k, 13000 miles on the clock now & the wheel is starting to shake again so looks like more knackered discs so I guess its time to give the brakes a couple of 80-0 hard stops to clean the discs, if it still persists then I guess its time to go back to the dealer & suggest check for sticking pistons, cant think what else it could be.

Wendy is a very steady driver, does 40,000 a year & has never warped a disc before on Vauxhalls or Fords so I guess there must be a problem

Stuart

[TaviaRS]

!P,

Stuart is quite correct, get the DS2500 pads, they are the best I've found so far. You are however looking at about

[Stuart_J]

Jon

Any other thoughts as to what the problems might be on the L&K ??????

Something is causing a build up of heat & the only thing I can think of is a pad not returning after braking & gently rubbing on the disc. Next time after a run I will try & see if one wheel is hotter than the other, should also I guess be evident if one pad has worn more than any other

Stuart

[Stuart_J]

Just fitted ds2500 to mine & they were

[Turbo_Boss]

http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/warped_rotors_myth.htm

All About Brakes:

http://www.vagsport.com/articles.php?artid=23

[andy*c]

I have upgraded the brakes on my L & K estate 2001 m/y to 312mm and 256mm vented with vrs calipers and mounts and used EBC greenstuff pads. I have probably covered between 6-8000 miles since the upgrade and alas have now developed front brake judder. Can someone tell me of a good grooved and/or drilled make of disc other than EBC,unless these are considered the best to use.