Briski Bikers Come Forward!

[Gyp]

I am a very pro panniers biker, but this was always my fear! (even though in video, he put his foot down randomly )

 

Facebook link for a video: https://www.facebook.com/1488084524808533/videos/1586107341672917/

 

The chassis under the engine was the thing that touched down; the panniers didn't. Well, not until after he lost it that is

[fabiamk2SE]

The chassis under the engine was the thing that touched down; the panniers didn't. Well, not until after he lost it that is

Old boss has a Roadking.

Scrapes the footpegs without much hassle at all

I didnt reckon much, but he loves it

[Chriswright03]

At one of our RATS cake and tea ride outs last week one of the guys turned up on his Moto Guzzi Le Mans because he was taking it for an MOT.  He also rides a Triumph Tiger 800.  Quite a few of the RATS have more than one bike but to be honest I have neither the space nor the time for more than one.  I must admit see the Guzzi brought back memories because I nearly bought one many many years ago when I had my Honda CX500 (plastic pig).  Don't think I could get on one now!

 

As regards the pannier thing it looks as though mine will stay in the shed for the foreseeable future.  We had intended to do a bit of  a break on the bike but as our dog is unwell and on constant medication with fits and liver problems we have decided not to put him in kennels again so anywhere we go he goes.  So leaving aside the wife's idea of a sidecar so we can take him with us (Wallace and who?) it will be the bike for days out and the car for hols.

[MikeTheThinker]

So leaving aside the wife's idea of a sidecar so we can take him with us (Wallace and who?) it will be the bike for days out and the car for hols.

Octy+dog+wife+bike trailer+bikes = travel heaven

Regards, Mike

[FUBAR]

Did laugh when I read this, surely it was a road test when it was closed off and it's all a lot of fuss about nothing. 

 

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/guy-martin-in-police-investigation-after-admitting-to-180mph-speeds-on-public-roads/26568.html

[littleade]

That is a Harley though. Doubt youd get that problem with a normal bike? VFR ones are miles off the floor even when I'm giving it some

Looks like he was going quite slow to me too given how quickly and easily he got up and how soon the bike stopped which suggests a normal bike with panniers would have gone round that bend with loads of clearance

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

I'm back!

 

Been away since thursday on the bike, more on that shortly but just a quick delayed post to Thank CFB (Clive) for the tank bag and chat last sunday. Top bloke, nice to meet a fellow brisky biker, it's made me want to get a little meet arranged even more now!  :sun:

[FUBAR]

I'm back!

 

Been away since thursday on the bike, more on that shortly but just a quick delayed post to Thank CFB (Clive) for the tank bag and chat last sunday. Top bloke, nice to meet a fellow brisky biker, it's made me want to get a little meet arranged even more now!  :sun:

Welcome back     Awaiting a full report  :sun:

[fabiamk2SE]

Looks like he was going quite slow to me too given how quickly and easily he got up and how soon the bike stopped which suggests a normal bike with panniers would have gone round that bend with loads of clearance

Yeah true.

Tbh, I've never even thought to worry about that happening with panniers on mine, i dont think i need to tbh, lookin at the bike with em on, i think the pegs would probably come first, not that I've ever managed that on this bike.

[littleade]

Yeah true.

Tbh, I've never even thought to worry about that happening with panniers on mine, i dont think i need to tbh, lookin at the bike with em on, i think the pegs would probably come first, not that I've ever managed that on this bike.

Don't forget Harleys are designed to be riden in a straight line at less than the US speed limit.......! If you're worried sit on your bike so you compress the suspension and get a mate to put a straight edge between the bottom of the back tyre and the bottom outside edge of the pannier. If your pegs are outside of that line they will touch 1st.... simples

[fabiamk2SE]

Don't forget Harleys are designed to be riden in a straight line at less than the US speed limit.......! If you're worried sit on your bike so you compress the suspension and get a mate to put a straight edge between the bottom of the back tyre and the bottom outside edge of the pannier. If your pegs are outside of that line they will touch 1st.... simples

True that!

Nah im not worried tbh. Id be alot more leant over, so itd probably just scrape the pannier anyway, certainly wouldnt lift the back wheel off.

I've hooned on local roads with em on n never had a prob (:

Just had a blast back from SWMBO's in sheff actually. Lovely quiet roads. Good fun (:

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

Background first: 

 

Since last year passing my bike test I have wanted to go on a trip on the bikes for a few nights. Initially I really wanted to go abroad but after a chat with my uncle I decided to settle on the south coast for now. He has my old CB5 and while he's been riding for years almost all of it is round London where he lives. Until recently he had a Vespa, got the CB because he wanted to test himself, he has a nerve condition which causes him some issues on the bike when riding for a while. I invited my mate Chris to come too, he has the Fireblade. I'm not sure if I was left to do the work planning it or if I just took over but I attempted to plan a route and book the hotels. We were going from thursday and returning sunday, staying in a different place each night. Decided to try and pack light, managed to get almost all my bits into the Kirega US20 tail pack and the remainder in the bottom of the Givvi tank bag. 

 

 

Day 1

 

So, we left to meet my uncle in West London, already late because the tail pack wasnt leaving enough room for my fat arse to fit I had to repack and jiggle stuff about. Ended up about half hour late, we all left Denham at about half 9. I'd gone old skool, wrote all the directions and printed them to go in the top of our tank bags. After a hour and a half or so we stopped for a break, bit of cake and a drink at the side of a canal somewhere random near Winchester. 

 

 

Back on the bikes, only another 45 min or so to the Sammy Miller Motorcycle Museum. The other pair loved it, not really my thing, all the exhibits were a bit too old for me but I do get bored quick with that stuff anyway tbh. I did spot one bike I liked though, a old Suzuki Katana, I had one on a riding game on PS2 when I was younger

 

 

Had a quick bit of lunch at the tea room and then onto a fuel stop in Christchurch. It was the first fuel stop and to our surprise we'd used a fair bit less fuel than expected. The little 500 managed about 50 mpg and even our thou's managed over 45 mpg! The Fireblade was a little more frugal than my CB, I guess a combo of me being a fat **** and the 'blade being more aerodynamic at higher speeds. 

 

So on we went, we had a long slog coming up, originally we we're going to go to Tyneham village but the night before I checked and it wasnt open. So instead since we we're late anyway we headed south through Bournemouth and Poole stopping in Honiton for a break. We we're all starting to feel it by this point, went through to town and I spotted a 'Boston Tea Party' so decided to turn round to go back to it. Swung into a side road and done a quick U turn, sitting in traffic check behind me to see my uncle but not Chris. Look over my left shoulder and see him several meters on the path still trying to make the U turn. We'd all started laughing by now, he eventually made it back onto the road. Turns out his already poor turning circle was made even worse by the tank bag getting in the way. We stopped for more cake and smoothies, expensive but very nice. 

 

 

By now we'd been riding for nearly 5 hours so the break was welcomed, it was only really my arse hurting, the seat isnt very soft on the CB. We only had about 45 min left to the overnight stop at the top of Dartmoor. We arrived about 6pm, locked the bikes up together as close to the door as we could and went to see what awaited us.

 

 

We'd paid on average £11pppn so wasnt expecting a huge amount. We had a double bed, a single and a pull out so set about arguing over them, then plugging all out various electronic items in that needed charging.

 

 

The hotel was at a services, there was a strange restaurant next door which looked shut but was open, just empty. We decided to all have pizza, seemed the safest choice on the menu, when it come out it was actually really nice, fresh made food. No complaints! 

 

Now while we packed light, we did managed to squeeze in a few toys, since we wanted to video as much as we could we needed something to chuck all the footage on each night. Luckily my mate being in IT had a few ideas, ended up bringing his strange little miniature PC with built in projector. Stuck that on and stuck the videos on it, viewed a few before calling it a night. 

 

 

Day 2

 

We were up nice and early, quick bacon roll and fuel the bikes up and off we went. The first part of our ride was across Dartmoor, now if I'd planned it better I'd have done it so we had a good half hour riding under our belts first, it takes me a while to get 'warmed up' so to speak on the bike, relax and get everything up to temps. I needn't have worried though, I soon relaxed and started enjoying some lovely roads winding straight through the middle of the moor. As we went winding up to the top we found a little car park so stopped for a quick picture or two. 

 

 

I'd been ahead until this point but I knew I was holding my mate up so he went ahead leaving me and my uncle for a bit. The second half of the moor was even more open, some lush bends where you could see the whole road open up in front of you, using the full width of the road is so satisfying! We dropped out the bottom of the moor and headed towards Plymouth. We arrived in Plymouth and still haddnt caught up with Chris, I tried to ring him but went to answer phone so just carried on. Over the bridge and through the tunnel at Saltash, enjoyed the noise of the Mivv exhaust on the way through, some old bloke started waving his arm at the 30mph sign for some reason, bearing in mind we we're moving at the same speed as everyone else and had plenty of space around us I dont know what his issue was.

 

We eventually arrived in a little place called Charlestown, Chris had been about 10 min ahead of us the whole way after going the wrong way and getting lost. It was quite a pretty little place, apparently some TV show is filmed there. 

 

 

After this we kept on west towards St Ives, eventually arriving later than planned, about 3:30 so a very late lunch. The little town is I'm assuming very old, lots of one way roads and some that we're cobbled streets I think we shouldnt have been riding down. The 3 of us were hardly subtle either, even when trying to be. Evenually we found just enough space to abandon the bikes

 

 

The place I'd picked out for food stopped service at 3pm so we ended up in a little place called the balcony. Food was very good, and views out to the harbour great too. 

 

 

Leaving late from here I think we we're all wishing our hotel was a bit closer but we slogged on, tired and a bit chilly things we're made worse by a downpour of rain. I chucked some waterproof trousers on and the waterproof back on the gopro. We kept going, the roads we're a bit boring which didnt help the mood either. As we neared our overnight stop in Barnstaple though the clouds cleared and the roads became twisty and fun once again. They dried up quickly and we we're once again having a riot on some lovely roads, a few 90 degree bends one after the other we're great fun. We arrived at the hotel, again at the back of a services and got off the bikes. They'd stayed fairly clean until then but the rain and dusty roads had taken their toll, covering in a sandy colour dust. 

 

 

Locked the bikes up and went up to our room, this one was nicer than the last (which was a bit ropey) and the 3rd bed had legs to lift it up which was a bonus. We ventured down the road to Sainsbury, got a few munchies and beers then to KFC for some healthy deep fried chicken. The restaurant was shut so we had to walk through the drive thru. Another download of footage

 

 

It was quite handy watching back the rides being able to see what you could have done better etc.

 

Day 3

 

I was always first up to the stunning sunshine, we were very luck with the weather really. 

 

 

Went and got the bikes unlocked and ready

 

 

We went into town and found another Boston Tea Party for some breakfast. We left and headed up the A39 towards the north Exmoor coast, I wasnt too much of a fan of these roads, initially they had large hedges along the sides and it felt really confined. As we went up and up the hill though it started to open up slightly. It took us up and up, over a hill and then dropped down along a single track road, into Lynmouth. I'm not one for finding the countryside and views exciting but the view as we wound down into the town was absolutely stunning, it was like something from a postcard, river running over rocks under a brick build bridge and houses lining the sides of the cliff faces. 

 

 

We had a wonder about for a while, there was about 30 bikes along the seafront path, has a nose about them then carried on. We got back on the A39, as we wound along the road we found a 'private toll road' that took a scenic route to Porlock, it said it was shut earlier along the road but we decided to give it a try. It was a tiny little single track road, the surface was really good but covered in tiny stones in some areas. Wound down, lots of hairpins and steep drops off the side. 

 

Half way down there was a little booth with a honesty box

 

A little further on and a stop for a wee and quick snap of the road

 

 

I did **** myself on some of the loose stones, as I went round a right bend I lost the front end for a second, managed keep it upright thankfully but did have a twitchy bum for a second. First time I've had a slip since riding I think.

 

Out the moors and along the side of the M5 into Cheddar. We were going to stop in Cheddar to eat but when we arrived it was nothing like I expected. Massively over commercialised from what I saw, nothing looked worth stopping for so we passed through to Frome. Stopped for some lunch and fuel then down a random road towards our last hotel at Amesbury. This random road was one of the best ones we'd been down, just flew along with everything linking up nicely. 

 

We arrived at our last stop, another slightly ropey room, I was on the floor, mattress was long enough to go up to my shins. Last night I thought, then home, no biggy. We we're in the middle of rating each bike in a top trumps style game when I needed the loo, about half 1 in the morning. Got up and went to the bathroom to find these ****ers chilling in there!

 

 

I'm the biggest wimp in that I dont like anything creepy crawly, spiders etc I cant stand. I ******* shat myself, shouted for someone to come get them like a big girl, my uncle straightaway said he hates anything bug like too so it was left to Chris. I thought they we're beetles or something but he reckoned they were cockroaches. Urgh, that was it, we had a 15 min debate over what to do, there was no ******* way I was sleeping on the floor now, went to reception and the guy come up to look. They'd moved, so first he tried saying the picture of them wasnt in that bathroom even though it clearly was, then I spotted one heading under the bed. He looked and gave us a pair of double rooms to move into but I was on edge all ******* night after that. They gave us a refund in the morning and apologised. 

 

Just the slog home was left, got home, 800 miles covered door to door, exhausted but had some laughs and made some great memories. The bike done me well, in fact all the bikes did. The CB5 did have some issues, one of the rear shocks went on the 2nd day and the Fireblade melted through a indicator wire with the exhaust and the rear tyre was finished by the end of the trip but strangely went a bit flat on the last bit of our trip home. My CB done alright, I think I will need pads soon but aside from that no issues! Well, almost, upon inspection I've rubbed some of the paint on the rear tail piece, I think from the tail pack touching it. I need some protective tape stuff to cover it I think. It's also ******* filthy now

 

 

Highlights for me we Lynmouth for the view and maybe Darmoor for the roads. St Ives was also a lovely little place and I like Frome too. Things I'd do differently, maybe plan less riding each day, the first two days we're long, but then we'd cover less ground so it's getting a balance. Maybe the same amount of riding but leave at the time planned and not 30/60 min later. I feel like I've gained so much experience on the bike, a little more confidence too. I think another UK trip this year then next year a trip into the EU. 

 

Sorry for the looooong post, but might as well cover it all.  :sun:

[CFB]

I'm back!

Been away since thursday on the bike, more on that shortly but just a quick delayed post to Thank CFB (Clive) for the tank bag and chat last sunday. Top bloke, nice to meet a fellow brisky biker, it's made me want to get a little meet arranged even more now! :sun:

You're welcome. Good to meet you at last.

I hope you had a good trip?

Had a good ride home too. Only took me 3 hrs to get back to HH.

Took the scenic route

[littleade]

Nice post Matt, glad the weather was kind and you enjoyed yourself. Spain is brill if you ever fancy going that far afield. The ferry to Santander is the easiest way to get there and its like stepping into a new world especially if the weather in the UK wasn't that good when you left.

[FUBAR]

Background first: 

 

Since last year passing my bike test I have wanted to go on a trip on the bikes for a few nights. Initially I really wanted to go abroad but after a chat with my uncle I decided to settle on the south coast for now. He has my old CB5 and while he's been riding for years almost all of it is round London where he lives. Until recently he had a Vespa, got the CB because he wanted to test himself, he has a nerve condition which causes him some issues on the bike when riding for a while. I invited my mate Chris to come too, he has the Fireblade. I'm not sure if I was left to do the work planning it or if I just took over but I attempted to plan a route and book the hotels. We were going from thursday and returning sunday, staying in a different place each night. Decided to try and pack light, managed to get almost all my bits into the Kirega US20 tail pack and the remainder in the bottom of the Givvi tank bag. 

 

Highlights for me we Lynmouth for the view and maybe Darmoor for the roads. St Ives was also a lovely little place and I like Frome too. Things I'd do differently, maybe plan less riding each day, the first two days we're long, but then we'd cover less ground so it's getting a balance. Maybe the same amount of riding but leave at the time planned and not 30/60 min later. I feel like I've gained so much experience on the bike, a little more confidence too. I think another UK trip this year then next year a trip into the EU. 

 

Sorry for the looooong post, but might as well cover it all.  :sun:

 

Class, cheers for write up enjoyed reading it. Definitely the best way to go for first trip out! I am impressed with the bringing a projector along LOL and I did laugh at the line "I'd gone old skool, wrote all the directions and printed them" made me feel old that printing something out is now what the cool kids consider old school. I guess I am no longer home with the downies! :(

 

I would love to do an EU tour at some point, but it's crazy how much extra NI adds to costs with the mental ferry prices for first leg and all I would do is take a straight line ride down to Folkstone on motorways to get out the other end. Really limits the range I can go for time beyond the UK so a battlefields type tour around France and Belgium and up to Arnhem and back via Rotterdam to Hull for me I think.  

 

 

ps. can't wait for a bit of footage  

[FUBAR]

Nice post Matt, glad the weather was kind and you enjoyed yourself. Spain is brill if you ever fancy going that far afield. The ferry to Santander is the easiest way to get there and its like stepping into a new world especially if the weather in the UK wasn't that good when you left.

Nothing illustrates the climate change point better than this video  

 

reposting because you reminded me of it, so your fault  

 

[CFB]

That was a good read Matt. Sounds like every bike trip I've taken.

Good and bad weather, good and bad roads, good and bad places to stay.

The fun is getting through the bad and still laughing all the same.

So have you started planning thee next one yet?

[fabiamk2SE]

Nice write up! Enjoyed reading it (:

Glad you enjoyed the trip.

Its not even summer yet, youll have to get a few more booked in

[littleade]

Nothing illustrates the climate change point better than this video

reposting because you reminded me of it, so your fault

Problem is its a real sh1ttar when you come back.... leave Spain in May with lovely roads biker friendly drivers and temp in the mid 20s to a conjested M5 on a grey day complete with the usual pathalogical idiots...

[FUBAR]

Problem is its a real sh1ttar when you come back.... leave Spain in May with lovely roads biker friendly drivers and temp in the mid 20s to a conjested M5 on a grey day complete with the usual pathalogical idiots...

 

That was my view every time I had to go back to the UK from Holland, could make massive progress on the roads then I emerge at Dover of Folkstone and all that is over :( 

[mender]

Chuffed to bits today

 

Bought a Peugeot Vox scooter new this year, it struggled to keep up on A-roads, so sold it and found a very rare MZ which came onto Gumtree and I bought it in a flash, sending a courier to Scotland to get it.  My MZ expert is poorly so I could not get it perfected as wanted, so after a while decided to float it on ebay to see what happened.

in 48 hours, 600+ views, 50+ watchers, 3 buyers-sold at record asking price.

 

I pondered about what to do next, as having a bike is useful for nipping to work and back (saving the Zafira from a dusty, nail littered car-park too) and I wanted to keep my hand in with a small capacity bike that could keep up with traffic and fit down our side entrance without hassle.

 

Nipped onto Gumtree yesterday, came across a newly added mint, one retired owner bike with 1954 miles only 25 miles away, so rang the guy, did a deal over the phone, HPId it, insured it, grabbed the cash and drove over to it.

 

The new bike is a 1998 Kawasaki GPZ500s in black with 1954 miles and it looks new.  It had been sat 11 years and the guy had gone to get a battery and some fuel.  We drained the tank, added fuel, fitted the battery and went to start it.  Instant start!  Freed the calipers, lubed the chain, checked tyres, checked the electrics, booked an MOT and rode it away!

It is now in with my favourite bike guru having a mega recommissioning with new tyres, lines, filters, brakes, etc and a new MOT, and I have ordered a matching panel off ebay for the one that got scratched in storage.

 

Fair play to the old chap selling it, we did a deal on the phone for less than he was asking and whilst there his phone was constant-he told me when we'd settled up that he'd had 4 offers of the asking price over the phone and one for £250 more-but kept with our deal.  Just checked on ebay and an identical bike is on for nearly three times what I paid for it!

 

So, a bit of messing and trial and error, but now have a mint Jap bike coming at the weekend which is not even run in-and after the Wheeler-Dealering profits has cost me around £500 all in.  As half that came from birthday money, I've won all round.  I've got a bike, the family budget has not been hacked into.  Result!

 

 

 

[FUBAR]

Chuffed to bits today

 

Bought a Peugeot Vox scooter new this year, it struggled to keep up on A-roads, so sold it and found a very rare MZ which came onto Gumtree and I bought it in a flash, sending a courier to Scotland to get it.  My MZ expert is poorly so I could not get it perfected as wanted, so after a while decided to float it on ebay to see what happened.

in 48 hours, 600+ views, 50+ watchers, 3 buyers-sold at record asking price.

 

I pondered about what to do next, as having a bike is useful for nipping to work and back (saving the Zafira from a dusty, nail littered car-park too) and I wanted to keep my hand in with a small capacity bike that could keep up with traffic and fit down our side entrance without hassle.

 

Nipped onto Gumtree yesterday, came across a newly added mint, one retired owner bike with 1954 miles only 25 miles away, so rang the guy, did a deal over the phone, HPId it, insured it, grabbed the cash and drove over to it.

 

The new bike is a 1998 Kawasaki GPZ500s in black with 1954 miles and it looks new.  It had been sat 11 years and the guy had gone to get a battery and some fuel.  We drained the tank, added fuel, fitted the battery and went to start it.  Instant start!  Freed the calipers, lubed the chain, checked tyres, checked the electrics, booked an MOT and rode it away!

It is now in with my favourite bike guru having a mega recommissioning with new tyres, lines, filters, brakes, etc and a new MOT, and I have ordered a matching panel off ebay for the one that got scratched in storage.

 

Fair play to the old chap selling it, we did a deal on the phone for less than he was asking and whilst there his phone was constant-he told me when we'd settled up that he'd had 4 offers of the asking price over the phone and one for £250 more-but kept with our deal.  Just checked on ebay and an identical bike is on for nearly three times what I paid for it!

 

So, a bit of messing and trial and error, but now have a mint Jap bike coming at the weekend which is not even run in-and after the Wheeler-Dealering profits has cost me around £500 all in.  As half that came from birthday money, I've won all round.  I've got a bike, the family budget has not been hacked into.  Result!

Awesome find! There was a GPZ500S very similar looking for sale locally last year and it was well worn with 30K miles and looked like it had done 70K! Guy wanted £1550............ It was for sale for months and eventually he said he got his price

[MikeTheThinker]

I would love to do an EU tour at some point, but it's crazy how much extra NI adds to costs with the mental ferry prices for first leg and all I would do is take a straight line ride down to Folkstone on motorways to get out the other end. Really limits the range I can go for time beyond the UK so a battlefields type tour around France and Belgium and up to Arnhem and back via Rotterdam to Hull for me I think.

Are the Cork ferries not an option for you? The Cork-Roscoff service looks like it would be a good one.

Don't know whereabouts you are in NI but Belfast-Cork is about 7 hours according to Mr Google[tm].

Regards, Mike

[FUBAR]

Are the Cork ferries not an option for you? The Cork-Roscoff service looks like it would be a good one.

Don't know whereabouts you are in NI but Belfast-Cork is about 7 hours according to Mr Google[tm].

Regards, Mike

It makes no difference which way I go to get to mainland EU both involve long boring motorway rides and crazy overpriced ferries. 

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

Class, cheers for write up enjoyed reading it. Definitely the best way to go for first trip out! I am impressed with the bringing a projector along LOL and I did laugh at the line "I'd gone old skool, wrote all the directions and printed them" made me feel old that printing something out is now what the cool kids consider old school. I guess I am no longer home with the downies! :(

 

I would love to do an EU tour at some point, but it's crazy how much extra NI adds to costs with the mental ferry prices for first leg and all I would do is take a straight line ride down to Folkstone on motorways to get out the other end. Really limits the range I can go for time beyond the UK so a battlefields type tour around France and Belgium and up to Arnhem and back via Rotterdam to Hull for me I think.  

 

 

ps. can't wait for a bit of footage

 

haha, well more old skool than Satnavs, I wouldnt be able to write them all out 3 times, plus I doubt they'd be able to read my awful handwriting.

 

I'd have enough of motorways after 5 junctions of the M3 tbh, hateful on a motorway on a bike. Footage to come, need to get them off the strange brick computer and edit them, over 250 GB to go through. Maybe it's because I'm new to it all but the editing is a right ****, no wonder it takes BvG so long to do an update  

 

That was a good read Matt. Sounds like every bike trip I've taken.

Good and bad weather, good and bad roads, good and bad places to stay.

The fun is getting through the bad and still laughing all the same.

So have you started planning thee next one yet?

 

It all added to the fun. Next one is already in my head, just looking at some ferry websites now. I'm off to Wuppertal in June with my mate, maybe after a little trip overseas. 

 

Nice write up! Enjoyed reading it (:

Glad you enjoyed the trip.

Its not even summer yet, youll have to get a few more booked in

 

On it, at least one more this year I think.