New Golf R - Part 2

[vrskeith]

Daily performance hatch / coupe, best bang for the occasional  track day, mixed with family or  friends use   buck?

 

Weekend solo fun Blasts along the twisty country A &B roads in the UK.

 

 

Edited 11 March, 2018 by vrskeith

[Defenderben]

Well after selling my Golf R 3Door DSG, 18 months ago, I have gone and bought another one.

 

This time it is a 5 Door manual, with some nice extras. It is only a 65 plate but it came up locally for the right price and a decent spec. 

Ironicallymy original Golf R has come up for sale today atmyother local VW dealer but he has it up at £3k over priced and reckons he can sell it all day long at the hiked up screen price! 

 

Spookily, it was almost the same circumstances that I purchased my first R. I went into the dealer to buy a brand new 2018 Polo GTI+ and ended up looking at an R again, that was what happened 18 months ago.

Edited 24 March, 2018 by Defenderben

[vrskeith]

Just now, Defenderben said:

Well after selling my Golf R 3Door DSG, 18 months ago, I have gone and bought another one.

 

This time it is a 5 Door manual, with some nice extras. It is only a 65 plate but it came up locally for the right price and a decent spec. 

Ironicallymy original Golf R has come up for sale today atmyother local VW dealer but he has it up at £3k over priced and reckons he can sell it all day long at the hiked up screen price! 

 

Spookily, it was almost the same circumstances that I purchased my first R. I went into the dealer to buy a brand new 2018 Polo GTI+ and ended up looking at an R again, that was what happened 18 months ago.

Ben, enjoy your  new 2nd Golf  R mk7wheels .

What options ,colour etc. When do you get behind the wheel permanently.

 

Polo GTI 2.0plus on about a 40 plus delivery lead-time..

 

[Defenderben]

The Polo GTi+ looks on paper to be an epic little car but as you say longish lead times. My dealer said he had quite a few on order for stock and could have reserved one but the R just keeps popping back into my view.

 

The R has Discover pro satnav, full Vienna leather and KESSY.

It is also £1k off the asking price this weekend, taking it sub £20k and a decent trade-in on my SV. Paid deposit over the phone this afternoon, popping over tomorrow to sort the money and fully check it over but they gave it an honest appraisal on the phone.

[vrskeith]

1 hour ago, Defenderben said:

The Polo GTi+ looks on paper to be an epic little car but as you say longish lead times. My dealer said he had quite a few on order for stock and could have reserved one but the R just keeps popping back into my view.

 

The R has Discover pro satnav, full Vienna leather and KESSY.

It is also £1k off the asking price this weekend, taking it sub £20k and a decent trade-in on my SV. Paid deposit over the phone this afternoon, popping over tomorrow to sort the money and fully check it over but they gave it an honest appraisal on the phone.

Welcome back into the fold Ben.lol. Interesting you are going with the manual,still the best option  for your enjoyment on your local roads imo.

Much pleasure and enjoyment to be had and some fun,without the pops and bangs and with  comfortable ride into the bargain.

 

Good spec. 

Edited 24 March, 2018 by vrskeith

[vrskeith]

9 hours ago, vrskeith said:

Welcome back into the fold Ben.lol. Interesting you are going with the manual,still the best option  for your enjoyment on your local roads imo.

Much pleasure and enjoyment to be had and some fun,without the pops and bangs and with  comfortable ride into the bargain.

 

Good spec. 

https://usedcars.volkswagen.co.uk/en/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/20-tsi-r-300ps-5dr-tdbk6t7

 

4 were watching this car Ben but you jumped in.

 

Competitions view. Like the tail end of your registration - some detailing required on the tail pipes.

There are some very good R's around at this price point. £17000 -£25000 Range excellent buy.

Edited 25 March, 2018 by vrskeith

[Defenderben]

This is the other one local to me, which is MY old car..base spec 3 door DSG.

 

I paid £27.5k for it new (demonstrator 280 miles), sold it back for £25k, they sold it at £26,995, just bought it back at £18.5k in auction and now have it back up for nearly £23k!

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201803224810803?model=GOLF&radius=20&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&postcode=pl198rd&sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=R&make=VOLKSWAGEN&page=1

 

 

[vrskeith]

21 minutes ago, Defenderben said:

This is the other one local to me, which is MY old car..base spec 3 door DSG.

 

I paid £27.5k for it new (demonstrator 280 miles), sold it back for £25k, they sold it at £26,995, just bought it back at £18.5k in auction and now have it back up for nearly £23k!

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201803224810803?model=GOLF&radius=20&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&postcode=pl198rd&sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=R&make=VOLKSWAGEN&page=1

 

 

Great business on only one car! Residuals after a couple of years not bad then.

[mikey vrs]

On 24/03/2018 at 19:29, Defenderben said:

Well after selling my Golf R 3Door DSG, 18 months ago, I have gone and bought another one.

 

This time it is a 5 Door manual, with some nice extras. It is only a 65 plate but it came up locally for the right price and a decent spec. 

Ironicallymy original Golf R has come up for sale today atmyother local VW dealer but he has it up at £3k over priced and reckons he can sell it all day long at the hiked up screen price! 

 

Spookily, it was almost the same circumstances that I purchased my first R. I went into the dealer to buy a brand new 2018 Polo GTI+ and ended up looking at an R again, that was what happened 18 months ago.

I will be interested in what you think of the manual version compared to the dsg,my R is manual (no dsg models available in my budget back in july 17) i know the clutch is a weak point if the car is mapped but ive had no issues with mine yet,lots of the dsg owners slag off the manual version on the R forum,i agree that the garage has way overpriced your old car by £3k (however im surprised at them paying £18.5k for it at auction as thats strong money),a few months ago there was loads of R's for sale but recently not so,local dealer to me only has one for sale at the moment so the nice spec & condition models do sell quickly for good money.

Edited 26 March, 2018 by mikey vrs

[vrskeith]

1 hour ago, mikey vrs said:

I will be interested in what you think of the manual version compared to the dsg,my R is manual (no dsg models available in my budget back in july 17) i know the clutch is a weak point if the car is mapped but ive had no issues with mine yet,lots of the dsg owners slag off the manual version on the R forum,i agree that the garage has way overpriced your old car by £3k (however im surprised at them paying £18.5k for it at auction as thats strong money),a few months ago there was loads of R's for sale but recently not so,local dealer to me only has one for sale at the moment so the nice spec & condition models do sell quickly for good money.

mikeys vrs,

I've experienced R mk7 & mk7.5 Manual and DSG since there launch in 2014 , my driving is mainly, M roads, A,B & C country roads ,so minimal city and large town traffic issues, so for me it's the manual involvement experience day in day out and very much suits my driving style.

Never, really enthused about tuning my day to day wheels, if it has enough dynamics for me and its type of use.

Used to do quite high mileage and hence shifted my cars on after a couple of years, plus warranty not affected by wanting an extra 50 plus bhp  although I know it can handle it without issues..

[Defenderben]

I must admit the DSG was dammed impressive, exceptionally easy to drive and makes it that bit quicker and works well with ACC. 

I spent a lot of time weighing up the pro's and cons of each version but struggled with the fact you are not in ultimate control.

 

I got caught coming out of junctions and onto roundabouts on the odd occasion, waiting for the car to decide what I had asked it to do; which was go! 

That hesitation unnerved me on more than one occasion. I know I could pull the lever back into sport, which was how I did it most the time but even then you still get that split second where you are waiting for it to react and it isn't turbo lag.

 

I had only ever owned manual cars until my first R DSG and never had any hesitant moments, I was in control. I took the R manual out for a run yesterday and yes it maybe a tiny bit slower but having a clutch makes a world of difference.

 

I also intend to keep this hopefully for a while and don't fancy having a performance DSG outside of a warranty,

 

 

[old newbie2]

14 hours ago, Defenderben said:

I must admit the DSG was dammed impressive, exceptionally easy to drive and makes it that bit quicker and works well with ACC. 

I spent a lot of time weighing up the pro's and cons of each version but struggled with the fact you are not in ultimate control.

 

I got caught coming out of junctions and onto roundabouts on the odd occasion, waiting for the car to decide what I had asked it to do; which was go! 

That hesitation unnerved me on more than one occasion. I know I could pull the lever back into sport, which was how I did it most the time but even then you still get that split second where you are waiting for it to react and it isn't turbo lag.

 

I had only ever owned manual cars until my first R DSG and never had any hesitant moments, I was in control. I took the R manual out for a run yesterday and yes it maybe a tiny bit slower but having a clutch makes a world of difference.

 

I also intend to keep this hopefully for a while and don't fancy having a performance DSG outside of a warranty,

 

 

When you "got caught, etc." were you at a standstill & if so were you in N or D?

Not many people seem to know that you can leave a DSG in D whilst waiting for lights to change, etc as long as the footbrake is depressed, or you are using Autohold, (which keeps the car stopped using the hydraulic brakes & NOT the parking brake).

The clutches only drag in D at a standstill if the parking brake only is applied.

 

We own 3 DSG cars, including SWMBO's R & don't seem to have your problem but we do use the paddles (on an old Superb too....)

& also manual mode when we see fit to do so, corners, hills, generally when we don't want the DSG to do the thinking.  

 

I prefer the DSG's to modern multi-ratio slushboxes, but there's not much difference in normal driving, just a bigger fuel & weight penalty.

 

But since we are both ancient, we've owned &/or rented some 2-pedal horrors, an '89 Escort with a jerky 3-speed, a Talbot Sunbeam with the 

'orrible Borg-Warner 45 4-speed + sundry (holiday rental, Xmas 1980)) American 3-speeds.

To be fair though, (& about 15-25 years later) I've driven a few Chrysler & GM brand cars with medium sized V6's & 4-speed transaxles & they've

all been fit for purpose, really easy to live with & with something of a "fun" factor too.   

 

FWIW we wouldn't really consider a manual again, the last time we drove one was on holiday in Spain in '15, (Octavia 1.6D + a wide-ratio

5-speed) & it wasn't much fun.......Very good on fuel @ 54 mpg, but a real slug, as you might expect.

 

As for worrying about older DSG's in a performance car, both my ancient heaps have been mapped to 252 ps (wow!) & they still cope........

Since the R will probably be with us for the foreseeable future, watch this space!

 

Cheers, DC. 

[Ootohere]

Odd that for the same Wet Clutch DSG's VW / Skoda / SEAT still show the Service Schedule for Oil changes is @ 40,000 miles and Audi 38,000 miles.

http://audi.co.uk/owners-area/servicing-maintenance-mot/regular-maintenance.html 

Edited 27 March, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[penguin17]

On 25/03/2018 at 09:25, vrskeith said:

Great business on only one car! Residuals after a couple of years not bad then.

Yes but I read that as it was bought at auction for £18.5K, so the person who paid £26,995 likely took a massive hit?  Or have I misread the buying/selling chain? 

Edited 27 March, 2018 by penguin17

[Ootohere]

^^^ They maybe had no choice on it going into auction. 

Cars can be repossessed and that is where they go and can sell for 'much cheapness'.

[mikey vrs]

21 minutes ago, penguin17 said:

Yes but I read that as someone bought it back for £18.5K the person who paid £26,995 likely took a massive hit?  Or have I misread the buying/selling chain? 

Your correct,the person who bought it for £26995 probably lost a lot on it as i doubt they got anywhere near the £18.5k that the garage paid for it at auction. Im surprised the garage paid that much for it at auction as you can buy the same car from a vw dealer for £20k at the moment. (Easy profit i guess if nothing to do to the car for resale).

Edited 27 March, 2018 by mikey vrs

[penguin17]

3 minutes ago, mikey vrs said:

Your correct,the person who bought it for £26995 probably lost a lot on it as i doubt they got anywhere near the £18.5k that the garage paid for it at auction. Im surprised the garage paid that much for it at auction as you can buy the same car from my local vw dealer for £20k at the moment. (Easy profit i guess if nothing to do to the car for resale).

I wouldn't be surprised if they lost close to 10K if it was a p/x, rather than a repo or defaulting on the outstanding credit 

[Ootohere]

Asking Prices of Main Dealers, Traders and private sellers is no indication of Depreciation.

 

Only way to know that truly is how much cash money you can get for one you own if you want to sell.

No trade ins, not 'cost to change', just if you need to flog it with not long to be messed about, all about the readies.

 

PS 

Many cars trades are not as might appear.

People money launder trading cars. Dodge the Tax Man and the Creditors.

Edited 27 March, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[mikey vrs]

Mine has lost £2k in value from the price i paid in july 17 to the price i would expect for a private sale now,figure will be £3k if i part ex it or sell it on to a trader or wbac type place,a few months ago the market was flooded with loads of R's for sale as the lease deals were finishing,now there are not so many for sale (my local dealer hasnt any in stock) & this is helping values at the moment. 

[penguin17]

Just now, mikey vrs said:

Mine has lost £2k in value from the price i paid in july 17 to the price i would expect for a private sale now,figure will be £3k if i part ex it or sell it on to a trader or wbac type place,a few months ago the market was flooded with loads of R's for sale as the lease deals were finishing,now there are not so many for sale (my local dealer hasnt any in stock) & this is helping values at the moment. 

Aye, I've noticed the newer 7.5 model are less plentiful on Autotrader, prices are staying high.  The influx of ex-lease cars have evidently knocked the values of the earlier 7 models.   Though a lot of them appear to have been snapped up when they came back into the dealer network. 

 

Some of the lease deals in ~2015 were ridiculously good.  

[Defenderben]

Hi

Yes it was bought for the full screen price of £26,995, after I had traded it back for £25k. 

 

The VW dealer bought it at the local Manheim auction and it was the local BMW dealership that traded it to auction, so the guy had traded it for a BMW.

 

The VW dealer said Golf R's are still fetching strong money down here but remember, we are a captive audience. Yet the same VW group are selling them at more realistic prices 35 miles up the road, where I just got my 65 plate manual from for sub £20k!

 

I cannot see anyone paying £22,995 for a bog standard 15 plate, 3 door DSG. I know I wouldn't but I'm pretty much researching prices all the time, so have a fair idea on current values. That is a screen price £20k car IMO.

 

Quick update, picked up the manual R today and must say my first 60 miles or so we're so much more engaging in a manual, glad I opted for that over the DSG.

Edited 27 March, 2018 by Defenderben

[Defenderben]

Having got it home, the previous owner has had the tips of the pipes painted Matt black, that's why they look a bit messy/dirty.

 

Just Gummi pledged all the rubbers, give them some moisture back

[vrskeith]

On ‎26‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 20:11, Defenderben said:

I must admit the DSG was dammed impressive, exceptionally easy to drive and makes it that bit quicker and works well with ACC. 

I spent a lot of time weighing up the pro's and cons of each version but struggled with the fact you are not in ultimate control.

 

I got caught coming out of junctions and onto roundabouts on the odd occasion, waiting for the car to decide what I had asked it to do; which was go! 

That hesitation unnerved me on more than one occasion. I know I could pull the lever back into sport, which was how I did it most the time but even then you still get that split second where you are waiting for it to react and it isn't turbo lag.

 

I had only ever owned manual cars until my first R DSG and never had any hesitant moments, I was in control. I took the R manual out for a run yesterday and yes it maybe a tiny bit slower but having a clutch makes a world of difference.

 

I also intend to keep this hopefully for a while and don't fancy having a performance DSG outside of a warranty,

 

 

and I love listening to this guys who never have a car for more than a couple of weeks and also have to fund the purchase & running costs.

Shame they don't read up detail on reliability , safety issue on road,from owners vlogs  etc.

[Ootohere]

Has anyone done the cost of ownership thing for them as a keeper.? 

 A cheap performance car, but main dealer servicing to schedule needs considering.

Car bought new, or 'nearly new', or well used, & kept 6 years or more. DSG or  Manual.

10,000 miles a year.

Fuel.

Annual VW Servicing, 2 yearly A/C if by VW Recomendation. Or Flexible / Variable 24 month servicing.

Brake Fluid @ 3 years then each 2 years and Haldex service @ 3 Years.

DSG Service at 40,000 miles so @ 4 years.

Tyres. 

Warranty years 4,5 & 6, and further Servicing if keeping, Haldex at 6 years.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/regimes 

http://volkswagen.co.uk/need-help/owners/Fuel 

Edited 28 March, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[old newbie2]

55 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

Has anyone done the cost of ownership thing for them as a keeper.? 

 A cheap performance car, but main dealer servicing to schedule needs considering.

Car bought new, or 'nearly new', or well used, & kept 6 years or more. DSG or  Manual.

10,000 miles a year.

Fuel.

Annual VW Servicing, 2 yearly A/C if by VW Recomendation. Or Flexible / Variable 24 month servicing.

Brake Fluid @ 3 years then each 2 years and Haldex service @ 3 Years.

DSG Service at 40,000 miles so @ 4 years.

Tyres. 

Warranty years 4,5 & 6, and further Servicing if keeping, Haldex at 6 years.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/regimes 

http://volkswagen.co.uk/need-help/owners/Fuel 

A 252 ps EOS as a performance car,maybe not but it's what I'm doing with it & the Superb.

 

I don't have a Haldex to worry about but they are both DSG's.

I use a local Audi/VW specialist (ex VW master-tech + cherry-picked techs.) rather than a main dealer, since both cars are out of warranty,

reasonable price, good quality work & honest to boot.

I allocate approx £600 PA for servicing, etc. + another approx £600 PA for MOT, tax / insurance, for each car, of course!.

 

Both cars purchased outright, so no interest payments & (in my head) written-off when purchased. (Like you would with most of your white-goods etc.

purchases......) 

 

Fuel, combined mileage say total 10K miles PA, 30-35 mpg, @ £ 5.60 per gallon = £1.870 PA

 

So, my estimated running costs for both cars are approx. £4,300 PA.

 

I'm not including depreciation because, A. It's difficult to estimate on old, but low mileage cars, B. I don't really care. If I've kept them, they

are probably worth more to me than their trade-in value anyway.

 

HTH, DC.