Emissions update

[weasley]

Just got back from dropping my car off for MoT and cambelt/pump/stat. Written on my service card was DO NOT DO NOX UPDATE, per my instructions. The service receptionist asked if I was sure. I said "yes, unless you can tell me what the update does". She said they don't really know, just that it is a software update that "adjusts the EGR parameters, but we don't know which ones". She tried to convince me it wouldn't change the car at all, so I said why do it then? She was going to try and find out more about the update, but I am not holding my breath. She seemed keen to convince me, but clearly realised she was fighting a losing battle.

And interesting to note that on the service record, my car is described as an Ambition model. I guess the SE bit is just a UK boot decoration.

[Ryeman]

It would certainly "adjust the EGR parameters " in the U.S. for a big FAIL.

My guess

Outside of the U.S. (Euro5) it would pass but just not spectacularly

Edited 28 December, 2016 by Ryeman

[weasley]

Assuming she is somewhere near right then it suggests that even EU cars need some kind of work to get them compliant (rather than just 'removing the cheat code').

[Gizmo]

SWMBO took her 170 in for some unrelated warranty work and was told about the recall... and kindly declined their offer,

 

IMO there will be NOTHING to gain from having it done and many people are claiming about either rougher running, using more fuel, or less power after the recall has been performed.

[Ryeman]

Who are these "many people", forum members of some sort?.

[Gizmo]

Read various comments on FB, several VAG forums (I’m on far too many of them) and the Ross-Tech forums.

[Ryeman]

It won't overcome the urban myth syndrome in any case

[Gizmo]

I'm not sure how owners personal experiences of the recall on their own cars can be called an urban myth??

 

Do you really believe any software update which its sole purpose is to lower the emissions is actually going improve how the car drives or its economy? 

 

If so then feel free to go and get the recall done, no-one if forcing you to get it done (or not get it done.) 

 

Some you are obviously aware of but here are just a few of the ‘myths’!:

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/419086-yeti-emissions-recall-issues/

Hi all

 

the Tour De France went in for recall last Wednesday and since then it doesn't like to start  :( doesn't like to stop sometimes  :( and feels sluggish  :(

 

anyone else had any issues?????????????????   :envy:  

 

 

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/403832-emissions-cheat-latest/?p=4690836

DONT have it done, my 140 is now awful, flat, unresponsive, and fuel economy 7mpg worse at 70 mph, I am now in dispute with Skoda !

 

had mine done and its terrible, sluggish poor throttle response only the last 1/3 of the throttle pedal travel seems to do anything, and fuel consumption increased, I am awaiting  a full diagnostic by Skoda and the I will challenge Skoda Uk re this matter, ruined a lovely car ! 

 

 

http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/177450-Anyone-experienced-problems-after-the-emissions-scandal-recall

 

had our golf in recently 2.0 tdi bluemotion match, after having the change to the software on the ecu the car now intermittently misses between 4th and 5th while accelerating. The car has been back to the dealer who couldn't find any codes showing. We are now keeping a log of when it happens and the garage need the car for 3 days to under go more test? Has anyone else experienced any effects or problems after the recall? cheers neil

Hi, I have exactly the same model as you had the reset done in May ever since then have exactly the same issue you've been experiencing, my car is now on its 4th trip back to the VW dealer to try and resolve, every time its handed back to me as no fault is recorded, this time I've told them I don't want it back until its fixed! Have you had your issue resolved as interested to see if it was confirmed by your garage and fixed, as mine is driving me insane.

I sent my Passat 2.0 174 in two months ago for the recall re-mapping. Problems from the first day include:- high revving at idle which wont die down until I switch off and re-start the engine, huge increase in general fuel consumption, engine cooling fans coming on in sub zero temps and won't stop. Stop /start no longer works (partly due to the high revving) Car is generally sluggish. I am visiting VW today with the full list and a copy has gone to my solicitor.
If they think this fix is working, why didn't they do it from the beginning?

 

[Gizmo]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/briskoda.net/permalink/1702435836449295/?comment_id=1707486535944225&notif_t=group_comment_reply&notif_id=1483036456126535

 

 

 

 

Carol Morris

26 December at 19:07 · Skelmersdale

Has anyone had the recall done on their diesel yet?? We keep getting letters saying it's in progress but nothing yet?

 

 

Comments

Andrew Walker They have released it in stages. The Superb was done first followed by the Yeti. All have been approved by the authorities now though.

Like · Reply · 26 December at 19:17

Carol Morris Ah cool we have a vrs Octy.. they keep writing to us but no change yet...

Like · Reply · 26 December at 19:18

Mark Jordan I've had my 2010 Scout done around a month ago.
The exhaust sounds a little throatier, and I now seem to have a developed small flat spot around 1900rpm ????

Like · Reply · 26 December at 19:30 · Edited

Carol Morris  :(

Like · Reply · 26 December at 19:30

Andrew Walker Carol. You are under no obligation to get it done.

Like · Reply · 1 · 26 December at 19:31

Carol Morris I know and I am torn...likelihood is we will run it into the ground but if we did want to part exchange it's worth bugger all  :(

Like · Reply · 26 December at 19:32

Andrew Walker Why is it worth bugger all? We've not seen the value of part exchange drop due to this update.

Like · Reply · 26 December at 21:45

 

Martin Owen Nope and no intention of getting it done either, it won't IMPROVE the car so what's the point?

Like · Reply · 26 December at 20:14

Karl Abbott Lmao my brother had it done on his CR170. Skoda totally ****** it up. It left them having only 106bhp with them having no intention of sorting it out. He had to pay a specialist mapped to fix the issues they caused to the ECU map and return its power

Like · Reply · 26 December at 20:19

Rob Dickens No loss of power on my 140 yeti but it is rougher and the mpg went down. ...... Will be seeing Ben Wardle quite soon :-)

Like · Reply · 1 · 26 December at 22:11

Martin Owen You won’t regret that!

Like · Reply · 27 December at 10:40

Rob Dickens This will be the third car.... That may have visited him

Like · Reply · 27 December at 10:42

 

 

Alex Cook I don't know why anyone would bother having it done. There's zero chance of it improving your car and no downsides if you ignore it. If you get it done, it may be fine or may harm power or economy.

Like · Reply · 26 December at 22:27

James Harrington I have an 0cty VRS and got the letter saying to book it in about 2 weeks ago

Like · Reply · 27 December at 10:35

Adam Lavender Had a letter for our VW Touran and dad got one for his Yeti. Not going to book it in.
Are they allowed to do it at a service without asking?

Like · Reply · 27 December at 10:55

Seb Marsden It's taken ages! Mine went in two days ago.

Like · Reply · 4 mins

 

[Ryeman]

So nothing consistent

There are reports of no difference at all

The question hasn't been answered definitively

Seems like some dealers are unqualified to do the job to VW's standards.........perhaps

This isn't an exercise in mine's bigger.......

[Gizmo]

This isn't an exercise in mine's bigger.......

 

Correct, however by calling it an urban myth you obviously do not believe some people are genuinely having issues.

 

many people are claiming about either rougher running, using more fuel, or less power after the recall has been performed.

 

 

Who are these "many people", forum members of some sort?.

 

 

Read various comments on FB, several VAG forums (I’m on far too many of them) and the Ross-Tech forums.

 

 

It won't overcome the urban myth syndrome in any case

 

after I pointed out many people were having issues, you obviously were not convinced so I gave you a very small example of those who have actually had the recall done and are less than happy with the results.

 

I agree not all dealers will be doing the recall correctly, as some are useless... all the more reason to stay away from them.

There are also numerous very good dealers and Master Tech’s who actually know what they are doing.

 

It makes no odds to me if owners get the recall done or not, what is important is the owners make an informed choice, armed with the facts... the fact is several owners took a perfectly good car in for a recall and now have a car that is not as good, so it does beg the question why would you want to mess with something that is working perfectly, for no benefit? 

[Ryeman]

Well VW can't manage the recall fix in that case and will be hearing from the legal profession I suspect.

[countryboy]

I had mine done yesterday and in my case the car feels a little bit sprightlier if anything. Time will tell on the fuel consumption but I don't see how it can be significantly worse. I also got a can of de-icer, ice scraper, 0.5L of screen wash fluid and 1L of engine oil FOC thrown in for good measure.

Ian

[Ryeman]

8 hours ago, countryboy said:

I had mine done yesterday and in my case the car feels a little bit sprightlier if anything. Time will tell on the fuel consumption but I don't see how it can be significantly worse. I also got a can of de-icer, ice scraper, 0.5L of screen wash fluid and 1L of engine oil FOC thrown in for good measure.

Ian

Interesting 

What is the difference between the 140hp (EA189) and 170 (.....) version?.

Looking at the 140(EA189) version graph it looks like there is a smidge more if you give it a rev.

A known hill in top at 50-60mph would be THE test: whether it will stay in top or be forced to drop down for more revs to access the torque.

From what I've read an ~ 5mog drop is normal..........early days though 

[countryboy]

Pity I was a bit late for my appointment but I was thinking about doing an acceleration test before and after so didn't do it in the end.

I believe the main differences between the 110/140 hp versions and the 170 is a  bigger turbo and injectors on the high powered engine along with a different engine map.

Ian

[eribaMotters]

I had my 2014 110bhp done a few weeks ago. My comments are not scientific, just observations.

 

I think I may be using a bit more fuel on my short commute journey of 5 miles each way. I usually get 48/52mpg on the maxidot at end of journey, but this seems to be showing 45/48mpg. Difficult to say as temperature has been cold and so I would expect less.

I had a longer run today, recording 53mpg, when I would have hoped for a little better.

I can detect no change in engine response/pull, with possible exception of it seeming a little stronger "around 70mph". If peak torque is coming in a few hundred rpm higher, as has been suggested elsewhere on the 140bhp tune, this might make sense.

I may have a better idea in a few weeks time when I have a 250 mile run, and then a 150 mile run with a caravan on the back.

 

Colin

[skoda1982]

I was getting 45 50 mpg about 3 weeks ago now 35 40 mpg and not had the fix must be the weather

 

 

[ernieb]

The weather does play a big part in my fuel consumption especially with short journeys.   Mine is a 150, so not affected by the emissions, but doing similar journeys with a cold week (around 0oC) to the previous week (around 7-8 oC) there was about a 15% fuel degradation.

[gjscott]

I had the recall carried out and I've noticed no significant change to my fuel economy. I actually just had the best average MPG for the last tank of diesel so far. Likely due to getting accustomed to getting the best out of it. 

 

For the five full tanks of diesel I've used since owning the car I've got the following CALCULATED mpg:

 

39.27 

39.52 

39.76 (recall performed mid tank)

38.72 

41.37 (today)

 

With no noticeable difference in performance. 

Edited 30 January, 2017 by gjscott

[Sad555]

I wouldn't be that concerned about a small change in mpg,it's what will the effect be on the DPF/EGR in the future with no guarantees coming with the fix from VAG as all they appear to quote is no change to mpg,as most of the vehicles affected will be coming out of warranty or are already out it will be interesting to see of any posts relating to this in the future on the Briskoda forum.