the truth about electric cars

[Graham Butcher]

15 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Who 'CLAIMED'  or wrote RAMMED? 

Which publication or was that a statement from the Police? 

It was the Daily Mail who wrote / claimed the ramming while the Bolton News claims they had to wait for the I Pace to exhaust its battery, there we already have 2 versions of the same event. I'm beginning to wonder here if this likely to another cover up similar to the Post Office with their faulty Horizon accounting packages. It just not add up currently, it looks to me that this is going to take some time before the real truth, what ever that is, is going to come out in full disclosure.

 

Its in the links posted by wyx087 and stonekeeper.

Edited 13 March by Graham Butcher

[wyx087]

Apparently some guy with same name, or same guy, tried to sell this car back in Sep 2023:

https://www.ipaceforums.co.uk/threads/oh-dear…-ev-incident-on-m62.7937/page-5#post-102538

 

"Working theory is that he was going to either lose money or couldn't get out of the finance so tried to argue the car was faulty and after the first time it failed he tried again."

[Graham Butcher]

Well, which ever way it is, it is going to rumble on for some time to come and if it is the same car and person etc who was trying to sell it, question is why did he buy it and why was he trying to sell it and then trying to get the finance company to reject the car? Questions questions??

[Ootohere]

@Graham Butcher    That is not a 'Claim' it is rubbish spouted from journalists that editors allow to be published.  

 

It used to be tomorrows wrapping for fish.  Now online just as much inaccuracy and even the Date of articles are not to be beleived. 

[Graham Butcher]

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

A 2010 Jaguar XK With a big V8 engine up front is expensive to run. It struggles to do more than 25mpg and emits 264g/km of CO2

 

But is ulez compliant

 

The system is nonsense

 

 

Correct, and here is the proof, the car is 5 Litre V8 petrol.

[Graham Butcher]

30 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@Graham Butcher    That is not a 'Claim' it is rubbish spouted from journalists that editors allow to be published.  

 

It used to be tomorrows wrapping for fish.  Now online just as much inaccuracy and even the Date of articles are not to be beleived. 

Yep, which is the same as I said, 2 conflicting versions, both in print so in other words, you cannot really believe either of them. If there was any truth, how come the driver was not arrested at the time, he was allowed to be interviewed by all kinds of media and put his version of events?

 

Even believing the date on a newspaper is taking a chance, I reckon.

[Ootohere]

Radio silence still on Brian Morrison / MG EV driver in Scotland where the reports were 'The car would not go below 15 mph to the Car took over and drove at 30 mph.

Neither the Police van or the MG being damaged when he was brought to a halt by driving into that. 

[Graham Butcher]

The BBC are carrying articles about the I Pace as well.

 

Police ram runaway electric car after brakes fail on M62 - BBC News

 

 Man arrested after runaway electric car stopped on M62 - BBC News

[Graham Butcher]

9 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Radio silence still on Brian Morrison / MG EV driver in Scotland where the reports were 'The car would not go below 15 mph to the Car took over and drove at 30 mph.

Neither the Police van or the MG being damaged when he was brought to a halt by driving into that. 

As you say, the MG or the police van didn't show signs of damage, and neither did the I Pace or the BMW police estate cars, strange.

[Paws4Thot]

6 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

believing the date on a newspaper is taking a chance

See that and raise the time one newspaper appeared with a masthead reading "The Grauniad".

[cheezemonkhai]

Please keep it cordial.

That goes to everyone.

[Graham Butcher]

1 hour ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Please keep it cordial.

That goes to everyone.

I have not seen anyone doing anything wrong? 

[Luckypants]

11 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

<snip>also the national grid, some people say the grid is not suffering and only needs to be able to spread its peak demands out more, so the loading is more evenly spread out, but the programme tends to suggest otherwise, it is struggling,<snip>

 

BBC iPlayer - What They Really Mean for You - Series 1: 2. Heat Pumps

 

Snipped to stay on the point of the grid. The capacity of the grid to carry power is well within limits currently, so the pro electrification camp quite rightly say 'the grid can cope'. However, the anti-electrification camp will point out that at times there is very little margin for error in the amount of generating capacity available to power the grid (and it's all the fault of renewables). Both camps are right to an extent.

 

As has been written and linked to many times, British electrical demand per person is much lower than 20 years ago and the grid has capacity to provide power. Electricity use has increased just 6% in the past 30 years, which is minor. (https://www.climatescorecard.org/2021/02/uks-electricity-sources-have-drastically-shifted-over-the-past-30-years/#:~:text=Solar power is equally growing,(TWh) in 30 years.) When the grid was built we had huge coal fired power stations close to the coal fields (Drax / Eggborough / Ferrybridge complex as an example being next to south yorkshire coalfield) and big nuclear plants built in the 50s/60s, so had the pylons and substations in place for this. Most of the coal-fired power stations are now closed and nuclear is going but the grid still goes to those sites and these places are still needed for routing and distribution. The power to replace these huge power stations is now pretty scattered as wind farms in the middle of nowhere and getting this lot connected is the problem, as generally the new electricity generating capacity is not near one of the old power stations with a big grid connection. There are no pylons in the middle of nowhere as there was no need to take power there. Even big offshore installations which bring all the power ashore in a single place still struggle to get connected. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65500339

So while the grid can cope, maybe we cannot generate enough leccy when needed. Its not just 'the grid'.......

 

[Ootohere]

It is not 'We'  it is England that can not generate or transmit enough.

 

No storage capacity for the renewables.  So get on with the Battery Storage, Pumped Hydro & charging and discharging from BEV,s.

 

The Battery Storage in Scotland will need to increase by 6 fold.

The Local / Scottish Grid needs to be started and not just spoken about.    The big Pylons need built to transmit the Electricity to England and the Interconnectors. 

 

It is a case of the NATIONAL GRID making huge profits and talking about spending not so huge amounts to improve it without more and more money from the customers / tax payers and even the non-customer. 

 

PS

The price that Customers are going to have to pay for the Electricity from the Local Battery Storage Facilities is to be sorted out now.

It should certainly be less expensive than from the Grid,  or the cost that the Westminster Government suggest that people in England near pylons can get the electricity for.   Electricity generated far from where they are. 

 

There are objectors all over Scotland to these, and the pylons, sub-stations and wind turbines & solar farms. 

They need to wake up and not smell the coffee because no energy to their homes, or feel like those that can not afford what is plentiful but at rip off tariffs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 March by Rooted

[Stonekeeper]

 

[Ootohere]

That is a LARGE mid-size Crossover BEV.

 

Doh, Not so secret a place to put stuff anymore.  But then those that break into cars never know stuff,  not like motoring journalists and the audience. 

 

PS

A really really flexible screen would be if in right hand drive cars it could be just to the right of the steering wheel.

How modern and advanced and whoopee would that be from ford?

Edited 14 March by Rooted

[Graham Butcher]

3 hours ago, Luckypants said:

So while the grid can cope, maybe we cannot generate enough leccy when needed. Its not just 'the grid'.......

Well, that's not quite right though, is it? The problem is that because of the way our energy infrastructure has been fractured into many different privatised companies, it has become very hard to get things organised so that everything happens just as it should. There are just too many ways that things can go wrong and fingers get pointed and deflected so things get very messy to resolve.

 

If there is just the one company, hopefully publicly owned then everyone knows who does what, rather like many things were years ago before the government's love affair with short term gain in getting money in and things got split up and sold to the highest bidder (allegedly).

 

We can this in action with the railways and how they have fallen into decline.

 

If all the various producers could all be hooked up to the grid then as more electric cars hit the road and they require charging, then they could do so. We all hear of events where people go to charge their cars on route and how at times another car plugs in and the overall charge rate drops because there is just not enough supply to the charging site/hub. Yes the system can cope if people can always manage to charge at home, overnight and many do, but that cannot suit everyone because of the current cars simply very often do not have the range to match most ICE cars.

 

While people hear of these power shortages then that is not conducive to getting more people to make the switch to electric cars and this problem is going to IMO get worse before it gets better as year-on-year, the must hit targets imposed on makers and dealers to reduce ICE sales by certain % points and increase the electric sales. Again, not being helped by companies switching their company cars and delivery fleets over either as many of those will be requiring charging during the day and peak periods in order to reach their destinations for the day.

Edited 14 March by Graham Butcher

[Graham Butcher]

@Rooted I think a lot of the problems with the generation of power in England stems from the NIMBYs who want the power and services but do not want their view etc spoilt so they are more than happy to site power stations in Scotland out of their sight, and then they object to the pylons/underground cable works etc to transport that power to their doors.

 

You can't make an omelette without breaking an egg.🙄 

Edited 14 March by Graham Butcher

[Ootohere]

No new Power Stations are planned in Scotland to replace the Nuclear at Torness or the Gas Powered at Peterhead.

 

There are those saying now that they do need replaced / supplemented.    This is while objections are ongoing to Hydro and Pumped Storage facilities.

Opposition in Scotland to the aforementioned as well. 

Actual elected members of councils being at the front of the queue to being against Solar Farms and Battery Storage. 

 

Anything that England gets going with should go on Jacob Rees-Mogg,s estate /land before building starts elsewhere. 

 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-67628514

 

Edited 14 March by Rooted

[Graham Butcher]

43 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

That is like a bleeding Range Rover for size and that screen, erm, good luck trying to operate it with your left hand and with it being moveable, while it might be good to remove glare from the sun and lights etc off the screen, it will also end up as not, moving while trying to use it. Give us some good old-fashioned knobs and switches, easier to locate and operate without taking your attention of the road.

[Ootohere]

Adventure car with the need for gloves on sometimes when you are on adventures where the Mobile Phone is not part of the Adventure to turn on the car or to open the doors for those that get back to the car first.

 

Adventures where actual adventurers usually need to hide a key near the car just incase.

   That is incase the driver is dead on a hillside, fell in a crevice.

 

The first report of a smashed in locked centre screen to get to the valuables then each after that will sort the insurance cost of these Ford Explorers. 

 

Has Ford actually ever improved Vehicle Security since the 1970,s? 

[wyx087]

This video explains how brake works in most electric and vast majority of hybrid vehicles, well, specifically how this popular Bosch electric brake booster works.

 

 

So in the event of a computer failure or freeze, unlike ICE powered vacuum assist booster, the electronic brake booster will still always work. Only when 12v completely disappears (0v) this booster stops working.

 

 

[Stonekeeper]

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

That is like a bleeding Range Rover for size and that screen, erm, good luck trying to operate it with your left hand and with it being moveable, while it might be good to remove glare from the sun and lights etc off the screen, it will also end up as not, moving while trying to use it. Give us some good old-fashioned knobs and switches, easier to locate and operate without taking your attention of the road.

Edited 14 March by Stonekeeper

[Stonekeeper]

 

 

Edited 14 March by Stonekeeper

[Ootohere]

LARGE Mid Sized CROSSOVER. 

 

 

Edited 14 March by Rooted