DSG delayed response

[KyleT]

Hi all,

 

recently picked up a 2019 Octavia from a Skoda Dealer in Wolverhampton. I drove it home to Nottingham and it was a lovely drive. One thing that caught be out a couple of times though and I wanted to ask if it is normal or not. 
 

so when for example, when I am coming up to a junction slowly on the accelerator, I lift off of the accelerator to slow down and take a look left and right. I see no traffic in either direction and so I apply a small amount of pressure back onto the accelerator to pull out and continue my journey. Problem is, when I apply the pressure back to the accelerator the car doesn’t respond, for like 1 second or so there is no power and the car is just rolling, then all of a sudden the car springs into life and starts to accelerate. This has caught me out a couple of times and I fear that it could actually be quite dangerous. Is this normal behaviour? Do I just have to apply more pressure back onto the accelerator? Any help/advice would be great. I do have a 12 month warranty with Skoda but ideally don’t want it going back in already. I have read about resetting the DSG gearbox. Is this worthwhile?

 

kind regards

Kyle

[Gammyleg]

Which engine do you have? My 1.6tdi Superb with DSG is also very sluggish on take-off, if it were a manual transmission you'd think I was riding the clutch. I think maybe you need to be a bit more heavy footed

 

I think there is something that can be adjusted as regards throttle response, the details of which can be searched on the forum.

[KyleT]

Just now, Gammyleg said:

Which engine do you have? My 1.6tdi Superb with DSG is also very sluggish on take-off, if it were a manual transmission you'd think I was riding the clutch. I think maybe you need to be a bit more heavy footed

 

I think there is something that can be adjusted as regards throttle response, the details of which can be searched on the forum.

Hi, yes I should have mentioned the engine. It’s the 1.0 Tsi

[Ootohere]

Welcome.

Small capacity 3 cylinder petrol turbo engine, 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG and a not small car.

Maybe not run much recently.

What service history has it got? 

 FMDSH means nothing if just oil and filter changes and look see and report.

 

 

Have you tried moving the shifter back to S as you roll up and then once you have moved on with the gears getting held before shifting up, put it back to D.

 

Maybe try a tank of E5 Super Unleaded as well.  97 or 99 ron.  

 

Before any DSG (DQ200)  reset,  how many miles has the car done?

Is there a nice clean air filter fitted, and the spark plugs need changed maybe. 

 

 

Edited 15 April, 2023 by toot

[KyleT]

1 hour ago, toot said:

Welcome.

Small capacity 3 cylinder petrol turbo engine, 7 speed twin dry clutch DSG and a not small car.

Maybe not run much recently.

What service history has it got? 

 FMDSH means nothing if just oil and filter changes and look see and report.

 

 

Have you tried moving the shifter back to S as you roll up and then once you have moved on with the gears getting held before shifting up, put it back to D.

 

Maybe try a tank of E5 Super Unleaded as well.  97 or 99 ron.  

 

Before any DSG (DQ200)  reset,  how many miles has the car done?

Is there a nice clean air filter fitted, and the spark plugs need changed maybe. 

 

 

Hi, I don’t know about the service history specifically. It’s got full service history but I don’t know what was done. Skoda claimed they also serviced it for me but they didn’t supply me any service documentation. I asked them about DSG servicing but they claimed it’s not like the earlier models that needed doing every 40,000. My car has done 50,000 miles so far. I haven’t tried moving it into S but will give it a go. I the car has been sat at Skoda since around February. I drove it home which was around 70miles. 

[Ootohere]

Whoever told you about the DSG knew nothing about them then.

The DQ200's were early DSG's and do not need oil changes.    So you are OK there.

(So it is wet clutch DSG's that get Oil or Oil & filter changes, early ones @ 40,000 miles, some now are first at 80,000 miles)

 

As i said, a FMDSH or a FSH actually is a history of what is done, not just simply like Oil & Inspection Service, & Pollen Filter, then Extended Scope.

 

You want to know when or if the brake fluid is changed, the spark plugs, etc etc.

 

Spark Plugs were due at 4 years or 40,000 miles.

The pollen filter twice by now.

The Brake fluid is at 3 years then each 2 years.       Not that those all get done,  but they should be when someone is Servicing to the Manufacturers recommendations, guidelines of schedule.

If not been done, it is a 'Full history of stuff not done'. 

[KyleT]

28 minutes ago, toot said:

Whoever told you about the DSG knew nothing about them then.

The DQ200's were early DSG's and do not need oil changes.    So you are OK there.

(So it is wet clutch DSG's that get Oil or Oil & filter changes, early ones @ 40,000 miles, some now are first at 80,000 miles)

 

As i said, a FMDSH or a FSH actually is a history of what is done, not just simply like Oil & Inspection Service, & Pollen Filter, then Extended Scope.

 

You want to know when or if the brake fluid is changed, the spark plugs, etc etc.

 

Spark Plugs were due at 4 years or 40,000 miles.

The pollen filter twice by now.

The Brake fluid is at 3 years then each 2 years.       Not that those all get done,  but they should be when someone is Servicing to the Manufacturers recommendations, guidelines of schedule.

If not been done, it is a 'Full history of stuff not done'. 

My understanding is that this was a former fleet car which generally have to be well maintained with manufacturers recommended servicing. I’ll chase Skoda and see if they have any other info. Why this stuff isn’t all digital like mots nowadays is beyond me. Out of curiosity how do you know my DSG gearbox is a DQ200?

[Ootohere]

Your dsg is a DQ200 because it is FWD, no more than 192 ps or 250 Nm.

 

Fleets might well be serviced to recommended manufacturers servicing.

So if the spark plugs have not been changed or the brake fluid has not then you car has not been.

 

The record of servicing is digital and on the VW Group system, 

So the dealer or any dealer or Skoda Customer Services can provide you with it, or someone on here will tell you how to find it online.

 

 

Edited 16 April, 2023 by toot

[Gingola10]

I bought a 2020 2.0tdi DSG earlier this year and it drove exactly the way you've described with significant lag on a acceleration. I knew the DSG "learns" your driving style and can appear sluggish if you have a Conservative driving style. 

There are several videos on YouTube that details "resetting" the DSG so that it can then learn your driving style and for me this has worked very well. 

I use my Octavia for Private Hire with loads of Motorway miles. In Eco Mode it now responds very quickly, gives excellent MPG due to its Coasting abilities and it is a pleasure to drive.  

 Try a gearbox reset, it's quick, you don't need any special tools and if it doesn't seem to to work you've not lost anything.  

[Phoenixboy]

I started most of my driving life using manual transmissions. Over the last 10 years or so I switched over to auto's, I've owned several, including torque convertors, now onto my second dsg box, same as yours, although mine is twinned to the 1.5t engine. I'd say my dsg box was as responsive as any other auto I've ever driven (CVT's seem to be about the worst), there is a slight lag between changes when accelerating from a roundabout etc. I've not found this to be significant though. I personally much prefer auto's now to manual boxes, find them smoother. I've never once though that my dsg box was unsafe, always found it smooth & reliable at all times, never sluggish to take off from a standing start.

If you are not happy with it take it back to the dealer & explain your issues. You have the most protection legally speaking for the first month after purchasing a used car. 

Some autos have a bit more throttle play than others, this can be decreased by myself selection sports mode, but to be honest I rarely use it, I just put my foot down harder if required. 

Edited 15 April, 2023 by Phoenixboy

[Ootohere]

If the OP was trying a 1.5 TSI ACT with 150 PS which has the same DQ200 DSG it does move off different from the 1.0 TSI 110ps DSG.

Or from a 1.6 TDI and different from 2,0 TSI /TDI's.

 

 

That is why VW were intending by now dropping using DQ200's that were not fitted to Mild Hybrids or PHEV's but have not yet done that due to circumstances.

They will probably have to for the Euro 7 emission cars. 

[EnterName]

23 hours ago, toot said:

Whoever told you about the DSG knew nothing about them then.

The DQ200's were early DSG's and do not need oil changes.    So you are OK there.

(So it is wet clutch DSG's that get Oil or Oil & filter changes, early ones @ 40,000 miles, some now are first at 80,000 miles)

 

As i said, a FMDSH or a FSH actually is a history of what is done, not just simply like Oil & Inspection Service, & Pollen Filter, then Extended Scope.

 

You want to know when or if the brake fluid is changed, the spark plugs, etc etc.

 

Spark Plugs were due at 4 years or 40,000 miles.

The pollen filter twice by now.

The Brake fluid is at 3 years then each 2 years.       Not that those all get done,  but they should be when someone is Servicing to the Manufacturers recommendations, guidelines of schedule.

If not been done, it is a 'Full history of stuff not done'. 

Hard to believe you missed an opportunity to post your excellent servicing schedule graphic, @toot. 😊

 

 

I have (perhaps unsurprisingly) got a spreadsheet for my car's servicing. (Servicing already done not visible, just upcoming work.)

Edited 16 April, 2023 by EnterName

[KyleT]

Thanks everyone. I’ve been for a drive today and it does seem like the issue for me is not applying enough pressure on the accelerator to get the car to downshift and accelerate. I will try and find some service information on the car. Failing that I may just take it to have a full service, get everything ticked off and then work from the graphics you guys have supplied. Out of curiosity, do you all go direct to Skoda for servicing or do you have garages you trust/have used previously to do the work?

[EnterName]

24 minutes ago, KyleT said:

Thanks everyone. I’ve been for a drive today and it does seem like the issue for me is not applying enough pressure on the accelerator to get the car to downshift and accelerate. I will try and find some service information on the car. Failing that I may just take it to have a full service, get everything ticked off and then work from the graphics you guys have supplied. Out of curiosity, do you all go direct to Skoda for servicing or do you have garages you trust/have used previously to do the work?

I left the Skoda network as soon as my warranty expired because my nearest Skoda dealer has terrible access and my preferred alternative is miles away.

I use a specialist VAG servicing garage and they are able to access the Skoda online service database and update my service history.

They're not cheap, but they seem to do a reasonable job.

Edit: Just nipped out and checked the independent VAG specialist I used to service my car on Friday had reset my service interval indicator correctly, and they had.

That is better than the Skoda dealer managed first time when I took my car to be serviced there while it was under warranty. They sorted it out there and then when it was pointed out, but it's a rookie mistake that a main dealer shouldn't be making.

Edited 16 April, 2023 by EnterName

[Ootohere]

@KyleTIf you can just open the Air Filter box and see if there is a clean fresh air filter in there.

You can check the Pollen (cabin) filter and see that that has been replaced.

The spark plugs should really have been changed by now on a 1.0 TSI so a record of that being done would be nice. 

[KyleT]

So just a quick update on this. I have asked Skoda to go to the fleet company who had the car and get the service history for me which they have agreed to do. I’ve tried using S mode to down shift into 2nd gear when approaching junctions and/or islands and the gear responds lovely. I’ve realised that when the gearbox is in D mode and I try to apply pressure to the throttle, the lack of response seems to be because the car hasn’t down shifted quick enough as I was slowing up to the junction/island. Similarly I noticed that it wants to try and get up to 7th gear asap. Sometimes I can be steadily accelerating up to 40 and it will already be in 6th or 7th by the time I reach 40. All shifts are smooth, but it’s just something I have noticed. I also tried the “DSG resets” you can find in YouTube but to be honest it didn’t change a thing. 

[KyleT]

23 hours ago, KyleT said:

So just a quick update on this. I have asked Skoda to go to the fleet company who had the car and get the service history for me which they have agreed to do. I’ve tried using S mode to down shift into 2nd gear when approaching junctions and/or islands and the gear responds lovely. I’ve realised that when the gearbox is in D mode and I try to apply pressure to the throttle, the lack of response seems to be because the car hasn’t down shifted quick enough as I was slowing up to the junction/island. Similarly I noticed that it wants to try and get up to 7th gear asap. Sometimes I can be steadily accelerating up to 40 and it will already be in 6th or 7th by the time I reach 40. All shifts are smooth, but it’s just something I have noticed. I also tried the “DSG resets” you can find in YouTube but to be honest it didn’t change a thing. 

Edit to this. I don’t mean S mode. I mean manual mode or M mode. I’ve never actually tried S mode! I’m guessing that’s just a sport version of D mode?

[daftbugga]

2 hours ago, KyleT said:

Edit to this. I don’t mean S mode. I mean manual mode or M mode. I’ve never actually tried S mode! I’m guessing that’s just a sport version of D mode?

Yes you're right, S mode is simply a sports version of D mode .

It just delays the point that the gearbox changes up a  cog,  may help with the engine you have . I have a 2.0 diesel & using S mode is futile.

S mode will rev the nuts off the engine before a gear is changed . As much as I like the DSG box ( my First ) I really wish that the ECU controlling it had a diesel version .

When I'm in boy racer mode I will set off in D & then slap it  into manual mode , far , far quicker than D or S mode.

[PetrolDave]

7 hours ago, daftbugga said:

When I'm in boy racer mode I will set off in D & then slap it  into manual mode , far , far quicker than D or S mode.

I wish there were paddles on the steering wheel for M mode (even my Aygo MMT had paddles!) then I would use M mode more, the pfaff of having to reach down to the gear stick means I just use S mode or kickdown.

[Ootohere]

I just use the shifter even when there are paddles.

I like to slap it to the left and up or down gears, usually down to slow down ten back to D for upshift, maybe back to S for just some reduction of speed when off the accelerator.

My left hand is doing little else really and i feel that it comes naturally like using a gearstick and no need to look at a gear indicator to see if the paddle did 2 down shifts if i ask it to or holding a paddle to go back to D.

Makes me feel like a driving god, not just like on a Playstation..

[PetrolDave]

I'd be more likely to use the gear stick in M mode if it were more 'logical', IMHO VAG have got the "+" and "-" on the gear stick the wrong way round (unlike Toyota, I always drove my Aygo MMT in manual mode) with "+" being towards the front of the car and "-" towards the rear of the car.

 

Here's my thinking - when you're braking, and most likely to need to downshift, the deceleration force acts to shift your weight forward so it would be best if "-" was towards the front of the car as the deceleration force would help you downshift. Conversely, when accelerating, and most likely to need to upshift, the acceleration force acts to shift your weight backwards so it would be best if the "+" was towards the rear of the car.

 

A small point which many might not agree with or even see the problem, but one which matters to me.

[Ootohere]

I have driven only 2 pedal cars since i lost my right leg when 17 and like pulling the gear shifter back to a lower gear.

As i do with nearly every Auto, CVT or Senso Drive i ever own or drive to lower gears. Including the Toyota iQ CVT / MMT where B was back.

Electric cars as well for B / regen braking. 

 

When i shift a shifter back it is to a lower gear to decelerate off the brakes, or dropping a gear or 2 before booting it without using kickdown. 

[PetrolDave]

10 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

A small point which many might not agree with

 

1 minute ago, toot said:

like pulling the gear shifter back to a lower gear.

Each to their own 👍

[Ootohere]

On a manual if you drop a gear you move the gear stick back do you not?

 

Toyota iQ auto shifter. 

& my dirty daily. with manual shift options.

Edited 23 April, 2023 by toot

[PetrolDave]

16 minutes ago, toot said:

On a manual if you drop a gear you move the gear stick back do you not?

Only for 50% of the gears - on a 6 speed extended-H layout when changing down from 6th, 4th or 2nd you move the stick forwards.

 

Aygo MMT shifter

 

Edited 23 April, 2023 by PetrolDave