I've had my vrs 2 for two weeks now, and in that time it's used half the checked bit on the stick, that's in 420 miles.

I'm thinking I'm going to take it back to the dealer tonight and say I'm not happy and that I want my money back under my 30 days warranty law.

But I need to know roughly how much it's actually used. It was at the top Of The chequered bit when I first got it. Now it's just under half that cheque bit.

So how much has it used roughly please?

Try this link

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/358101-vrs-mk-ii-14-litre-twincharger-oil-consumption-issues/

500ml. And to save you reading the link, a dealer will probably claim that 1l/1_000 miles is "acceptable".

What kind of dealer a drug dealer? Skoda / vw said may use 0.5 litres in 1000 km, so 1 litre in 1,242 miles but they say that for all engines, they replace ones that use 0.3 in 1000 km because that is excessive oil use. reject the car. It is an oil user.

Edited 24 November, 20169 yr by Offski

500ml in 420 miles! Is this car new? assuming that you aren't redlining it all the time, reject it. My Octavia is only a 1.4 TSI, but it didn't use a drop in 4500 miles.

Warrior193. 

He has a different kettle of fish, and no relation to your new car. It is a twincharger which 1 in 3 of the early models had issues, and that number is growing.

It's a 2011, full service history with just 25000 miles on it. It's not from a Skoda dealer but I'm hoping That Won't be a problem. I'm going to go in with, it's faulty so my rights are I can have my money back. As far as I'm concerned it is faulty and if Skoda are replacing at. 3 ltrs then they too are admiting it's faulty.

I don't want it fixed I just want to walk away from the whole thing. I'm still with in my 30 day period by law so here's hoping.

They have the right to try to fix it after the fault is diagnosed. But they, who ever can not sort it with a rebuild for less than £2,000. So it is a new engine at over £3,500 so reject

5 years good will from SKODA car manufacturer date has likely expired. Mine was a 2010, had it since 2012, then paid for the fixes, you should will be within your rights for the 30 days where you got it from.

 

Skoda are passing these off to auction now. They wont sell them in store at the dealership. Its likely the garage you got it from may not even know about the oil problem if they deal with hundreds of cars on a monthly basis.

Jump ship, it's not worth the battle for a car that age purchased from a non-Skoda garage.

 

You have a cooling off period, use it!

There is no cooling off period, there is Goods not fit for purpose, and when the Dealership checks the issues with 2011 Mk2 Fabia vRS they can decide if they want to make it easy and take the lemon back.

Or be difficult and in the end that will cost them more.  Being in the Motor Trade they know they got stung, they can not sting the customers.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

If there is lots of humming and haying then you would be wanting to check the Service & Warranty History.

Was the car ever given a Official Oil Consumption Test, did it fail, 

was the Breather Pipe Mod done and the software update, was there new Oil Spray Jets fitted.

The engine could maybe become not an oil user if nothing has been done to it other than Oil & Filter Changes and 5w 30 Oil Used 

and 95 ron fuel with short journeys.

 

But that is for when you are landed with one from a Private Sale. From a Dealer best reject it.

Edited 24 November, 20169 yr by Offski

Looked at the original post.

What did the previous owner say about the car?

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/416459-where-would-i-stand-on-getting-engine-replaced-in-a-2011-vrs

 

?

Have you spoken to the dealer you bought it at, because the clock is ticking?

Well went to the dealer on way home from work. He was really good actually. Said he wants to have the problem looked into, as it seems with cars you can't just return them because you don't like, there has to be an actual problem. So he wants the problem investigated. He then rang the local Skoda dealership there and then and has it booked in for Wednesday, and he's giving me a courtesy car while they look at it.

If, once Skoda have looked at it and they say either it's fine, or it can be fixed for little money then he wants to try that, with me keeping an eye on the oil and report back my findings. If it's still not acceptable he said a full refund will be given or I can purchase another car of him.

Which is be happy to do, as so far theyve been very good.

Oh, and I've not spoken to the original owner, but they are going to call him and ask what his thoughts on the car are. Apparently he's actually a good friend Of The partner Of The garage.

I understand he has to look into it as he can't just have people saying something's wrong, I want my cash back. So I'm happy to go along with it ATM.

His final words were "no matter what mate, you will not be out of pocket" and I feel it was sincere, not just car salesman talk.

Sounds like your garage are going to have to pay skoda for a 'oil consumption test'

So how much has it used roughly please?

Nobody here actually knows the answer to this question, some claim that there is huge variation in the accuracy of dipsticks.

Skoda state that you should experience oil consumption of up to 500 ml per 1,000 Km - anything above this is unacceptable although this figure will change with age / mileage.

Your garage sounds reasonable and responsible - work with them.

Edited 24 November, 20169 yr by vxh26

You mean you do not know.

But then why would you, you have never checked the oil in one.

 

Where does Skoda say you should experience oil consumption up to 500ml per 1,000km?

 

They say that engines may use up to etc etc 

They say that for engines with petrol or diesel from 44kw up and with 3, 4, 5, 6 & 8 cylinders.

And even that is not acceptable.

Edited 24 November, 20169 yr by Offski

If you bought the car after 01 October 2015, you only have 30 days to reject a second-hand car and get a full refund under the Consumer Rights Act.  (LINK).

^^^^ yeah that's what I'm going one, but he needs to see there's a fault first. You can't just return because you don't want it. And because I've mentioned the fault and it's being looked at with in the 30 days then it doesn't matter how long it takes for them to decide if it's faulty, ill still be within my period for a faulty goods refund.

Fingers crossed I get a good out come.

Fingers crossed for you, hopefully you've dodged a bullet.

<SNIP> he needs to see there's a fault first. <SNIP>

Indeed. You might want to have a look at the thread HERE. The second paragraph reads:

 

Page 145 of the Owner's manual (LINK) includes the following observation:

“The oil consumption may be as much as 0.5 litres per 1,000 kilometres depending on your style of driving and the conditions under which you operate the vehicle. Consumption may be slightly higher than this during the first 5,000 kilometres.”

 

Your car has passed the 5,000 kilometres mark and if you have covered some 450 miles in two weeks, you are unlikely to be doing lots of very short journeys where the engine never gets up to normal operating temperature - these probably tend to consume more oil than long journeys. Sadly, it is neither here nor there whether you or anyone else considers that an oil consumption figure of as much as 0.5 litres per 1,000 kilometres is excessive. It is quite possible that a previous owner has abused the car and that has caused excess oil consumption - that is not your responsibility.

 

You may find that the only way of "proving" that your car currently consumes more oil than the Skoda spec. is by getting an oil consumption test carried out. Whether you, your garage or Skoda cover the cost of this will be up to your (or the garage's) negotiating skills.

 

Good luck!

Edited 25 November, 20169 yr by vxh26

Please define what you mean by "it is quite possible that a previous owner has abused the car and that has caused excess oil consumption".

 

Do you mean they drove it around for 5 years doing quite a low mileage and having a Full Main Dealer History, 

but that was in a car that might have an engine with Fundamental Design & Manufacturing faults including Component Choice, Engine Management & Quality Control?

Here are the main issues.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

So many cars being abused it seems. Or are some just in denial, like the Volkswagen Group.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/353149-fabia-mk2-vrs-14tsi-replacement-engines-replaced-how-many

Edited 25 November, 20169 yr by Offski

Nobody here actually knows the answer to this question, some claim that there is huge variation in the accuracy of dipsticks.

 

There is huge variation in the length of dipsticks!!? What is the mechanism they are claiming exists to cause this?

I always thought from the top mark to the bottom mark was a Litre ( if it's the OM Dipstick )

Indeed. You might want to have a look at the thread HERE. The second paragraph reads:

 

Page 145 of the Owner's manual (LINK) includes the following observation:

“The oil consumption may be as much as 0.5 litres per 1,000 kilometres depending on your style of driving and the conditions under which you operate the vehicle. Consumption may be slightly higher than this during the first 5,000 kilometres.”

 

Your car has passed the 5,000 kilometres mark and if you have covered some 450 miles in two weeks, you are unlikely to be doing lots of very short journeys where the engine never gets up to normal operating temperature - these probably tend to consume more oil than long journeys. Sadly, it is neither here nor there whether you or anyone else considers that an oil consumption figure of as much as 0.5 litres per 1,000 kilometres is excessive. It is quite possible that a previous owner has abused the car and that has caused excess oil consumption - that is not your responsibility.

 

You may find that the only way of "proving" that your car currently consumes more oil than the Skoda spec. is by getting an oil consumption test carried out. Whether you, your garage or Skoda cover the cost of this will be up to your (or the garage's) negotiating skills.

 

Good luck!

It is far, far, far more likely to be simply down to a shonky engine.