All terrains on a Yeti

[Dodgey99]

Hi - did a load of research - I've always put All Terrain tyres on my 4x4s - amazing off road, which I often am (muddy fields), and amazing in the snow - really amazing. It's why I don't buy winter tyres, I go AT for winter - I get the almost best of both worlds - mud, and snow. I say almost as apparently an AT tyre won't be as good as a true winter tyre on packed snow - but they are damn close - close enough you'd not notice unless really pushing it. Used to have a  Disco 3 and ran General Grabber AT2s on it. Amazing in mud and snow.

 

Downsized to the Yeti for the running costs and MPG abd wanted ATs for winter but there just are not any that fit either the 16 or 17" wheels. Nothing that I'd buy anyhow - not impressed with the look or price of the Geolanders, which seem the only option staying within tyre size spec.

 

I read in several places the Russians put 215/65 R16s on their Yetis for the extra lift in the snow.

 

The tyre size comparison sites told me the 215/65 R16 tyres would be 3 cm overall diameter bigger than what I have for summer - 225/50 R17.

 

So I bought 4 x Insa Turbo Ranger AT remoulds at £60 each. Mus and snow rated. They are a copy of the BF Goodridge AT tyres. For less than half the price.

 

... and then 4 x 16"  6.50 J ET42 Alloys for £75 each from Oponeo. (Why buy steels for £42 when you can have alloys for £75? 🙂   )

Fitted them 2 days ago. 1st observation was that the size of the tread on the Insa Turbos makes them 5cm bigger (total diameter) not 3cm. They "just " touch the front arch inner plastic liner on full lock, on one side only. Touching at the back of the arch, on full lock. This happens only when parking and gives  a small squeal on full lock . This is reducing to almost silent after day 2 so I'm assuming some of the initial rubber is wearing off where it contacts, or the plastic liner is giving a bit. Other than that , no issues. I rockon after a few thousand miles there won't be any contact.

 

Lifts the car a bit too (hence the photo from the rear - left wheels installed, originals still on the right).

Been off road since the photos and they behave as expected - excellently. Now hoping for snow 🙂

[silver1011]

They look brilliant, a proper Tonka Toy.

 

I'd almost move to the middle of nowhere just to give me an excuse to buy a Yeti and AT tyres 

[Llanigraham]

Not an approved tyre size for the Yeti, so technically the car is now illegal

[langers2k]

23 minutes ago, Llanigraham said:

Not an approved tyre size for the Yeti, so technically the car is now illegal

 

It could invalidate the insurance if the OP hasn't notified them but I'm not aware of any UK law/regulation that would be broken. I know other countries have more strict rules which it could cause issues with.

 

Can you add which would be breached making the car illegal? Thanks

[weasley]

Just to answer the “why buy steel when you can have alloys” question - steel wheels are often used as winter wheels because when steel wheels take a bash (eg from side-swiping a kerb or some other unintended impact) they tend to dent and bend, whereas an alloy wheel will crack.  You can often still drive away on a dented steel wheel, but you can’t on a cracked alloy.

[Dodgey99]

It's not illegal :-)

 

I'm aware of the steel wheel benefit - but this is Somerset, not the Serengeti, and the AA is only an hour or two away, not a day or two. Most people buy them outside of harsh environments because they are cheap.

[Ootohere]

@Dodgey99

Welcome to the forum.

 

Insa call them Remanufactured not Remoulds.

The Quality Control can be better than that of new tyres.

http://insaturbo.com/fam/en/familia/2/1/4x4/0

http://insaturbo.com/pag/en/contendio/2/who-are-we

 

I have had Insa tyres on different vehicles over the years in A/T's & M/T's and the BG Goodrich they are based on, they are fine.

As to the Geolanders of whichever number regardless of looks they actually perform well, so a case of Function over Style where you are after tyres that are 3 peak certificated & M+S marked.  They come in appropriate Speed & Load ratings and are pretty good in summer and wet roads.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/452983-maximum-tyre-size

 

 

 

Edited 14 November, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Dodgey99]

Thanks.

 

The Geolanders are well regarded but I wanted a more agressive block pattern and psacing so they don't get clogged with mud too quickly, without actually buying mud tyres - which would be a little extreme 🙂

[Rich210]

@Dodgey99 Any updates on the performance of the Insa's? In particular, how do they do in snow and ice?

[Ootohere]

Welcome to the forum.

I have used Insa AT's, MT's and Snow Tyres on Suzuki Jimny's over around a dacade and they performed as well if not better than Premium / Big Name tyres.

I have not had any to use in about the past 6 years though.

 

 

Edited 17 September, 2022 by roottoot

[Carlston]

Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 205/70R15 96H

https://www.blackcircles.com/catalogue/yokohama/geolandar-at-g015/205/70/R15/H/96/m?tyre=35841793

 

As you can see in the chart below, 205/70R15 has a similar diameter to 215/60R16 and 225/50R17.

 

Outside diameter

205/70R15 668.0mm

215/60R16 664.4mm

225/50R17 656.8mm

 

As you can see in the chart below, 205/70R15 has a similar load index to 215/60R16 and 225/50R17.

 

Standard load index

205/70R15 96 (710kg)

215/60R16 95 (690kg)

225/50R17 94 (670kg)

 

Most Yeti's have either 280mm or 288mm diameter front discs, so 15" rims will clear the front brake calipers. The only Yeti that appears to have the biggest 312mm diameter front discs is the 2.0TDI 170HP model. 312mm diameter front discs need at least 16" rims to clear the front brake calipers. However, to be sure which brakes you have, check your car's build codes or measure them.

 

6Jx15 ET45 5/112 57.1 steel rims

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=56147660784174192&rimCode=ALCAR8860

 

The 205/70R15 tyre size was used on the Jaguar E-Type, so should be more than capable on the rather lower powered Yeti.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_E-Type#/media/File:1972_Jaguar_E-Type_Series_3_5.3_Front.jpg

 

6Jx15 ET45 5/112 57.1 Audi alloy rims 8D0601025F

https://www.ebay.de/itm/124803659555

 

6JX15H2 ET45 5/112 Audi alloy rims 8D0601025F

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/audi/RDW/A4/223/6/601/601051

 

Edited 17 September, 2022 by Carlston

[Rich210]

Thanks @roottoot  

 

I think the ranger looks like the best one for me. It's either that or the risko, as they come in 215 65 r16s, but judging by the darkside development's video the risko's need spacers to get them on comfortably. 

 

[Rich210]

@Carlston

 

Sorry I missed your response, sadly I have to go a r16 because my discs are too big!

[Ootohere]

@Rich210I used 195/80 R 15 Insa Turbo Rangers for a few years on an Automatic Jimny when i did not use Insa Muds, and they were good on Snow.

The same tread pattern as the BFG Goodrich A/T's i had on my 110 Land Rover. 

 

The Orange Jimny on the snow is on Yokohama Geolander G012's. 

 

 

Edited 19 September, 2022 by roottoot

[Carlston]

7 hours ago, Rich210 said:

@Carlston

 

Sorry I missed your response, sadly I have to go a r16 because my discs are too big!

 

On the Yeti, it's a simply job to go from 288mm to 312mm front brake discs and vice-versa, as they are both ATE brake systems and just the brake caliper carriers and discs need changing. The other parts including the brake calipers and brake pads are interchangeable. If you keep the old parts, you could easily go back to the original size at a later date.

 

1K0615125D brake caliper carrier ATE (for 288mm front brake discs)

https://www.lllparts.co.uk/catalogs/skoda/CZ/YET/779/6/615/615025

 

New front brake caliper carriers 1K0615125D are about £18.59 each on autodoc (on Mondays when autodoc have their 30% off day). They're also available on ebay for about £39.99 for two x2.

 

However, there's also plenty of 16" tyre options to consider including oversize 215/65R16 and 235/60R16.

 

Yokohama G015 Geolander 215/65R16 98H

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s426p148189/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_G015_Geolander_AT_Yokohama_G_015_-_215_65_R16_98H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Yokohama G015 Geolander 235/60R16 100H

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s425p148190/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_G015_Geolander_AT_Yokohama_G_015_-_235_60_R16_100H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_72dB

 

As you can see below, a 7J rim is ideal for a 235/60R16 tyre size.

 

ETRTO approved rim widths

205/70 5.0-6.0-7.0

215/65 6.0-6.5-7.5

215/60 6.0-6.5-7.5

235/60 6.5-7.0-8.5

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0615125d?search=OEN+1K0615125D&supplier[0]=100015&supplier[1]=100001

 

Edited 19 September, 2022 by Carlston

[Garfield89]

Hi all,

 

Please forgive me if I'm repeating a question previously asked on this post.

 

I need my yeti (140 4x4 tdi) for a good deal of towing, wet/muddy field driving and occasional long distance trips.

 

It has 17" rims currently, on which the budget summer tyres will all need changing very soon.

 

My first choice would be to save the hassle and money and find an AT tyre that fits @ 17". As previously mentioned in this thread, options seem limited if not, non existent. 

 

However, are there any tyres, whether AT, All season/winter, that would fit the 17" rim and do a decent enough job? 

 

 

Failing the above, I'd plan on getting 16" steels and fitting AT tyres that would ideally not risk scrubbing the front wheel arch.

 

1) where would you recommend getting the rims?

 

2) what AT tyres would you suggest for this?

 

 

 

Thank you

 

Tom 

 

 

[Carlston]

If you are going to be driving on soft mud, you may want to reduce your tyre pressures by about one-third, ie. if you normally run 30psi-36psi you might want to reduce them to 20psi-24psi...but remember to pump them back up as soon as you get back on the tarmac to prevent the tyres from over-heating.

 

Because you might want to reduce the tyre pressures when driving on soft mud, it's much better to have 16" tyres rather than 17" tyres because the 16" tyres can have more sidewall height than the 17" tyres. For example, a 215/65R16 has 10.75mm more sidewall height than a 215/60R17.

 

Running low profile tyres off-road with reduced tyre pressures will make the rims far more likely to get damaged, hence it's better to go for 16" tyres rather then 17" tyres.

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/65R16 98H (Euro label E C 70dB) (3PMSF) (All-Terrain tyre)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s426p148189/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_215_65_R16_98H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Alcar 9922 6.5x16 ET33 5/112 57.1 steel rims (from VW Tiguan MK1 and VW Touran MK2)

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9922

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=62269191771657328&rimCode=ALCAR9922

 

Outside diameter of tyres

225/50R17 656.8mm

215/60R16 664.4mm

215/65R16 685.9mm (+3.2% compared to 215/60R16 and +4.4% compared to 225/50R17)

215/60R17 689.8mm (+3.8% compared to 215/60R16 and +5.0% compared to 225/50R17)

 

Out of the above four tyre sizes, 215/65R16 tends to be by far the most economical tyre size, which is another plus point in this tyre size's favour.

 

If you go for 215/60R17, then 6.5Jx17 ET38 rims (from the Kodiaq) would be a better option than the 7Jx17 ET45 rims. Bear in mind that these 17" steel rims weigh a lot more than the 16" steel rims. Another negative point for the 17" wheels is that in general 215/60R17 cost a lot more than 215/65R16. And yet another negative point, is that the 215/60R17 has an outside diameter even bigger than 215/65R16...making the gearing even further out from standard.

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/60R17 96H (Euro label E C 71dB) (3PMSF) (All-Terrain tyre)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b0s3735p164247/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_215_60_R17_96H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Alcar 9021 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim (from Kodiaq) (this rim weighs 11.58kg)

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9021

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=639488607098401904&rimCode=ALCAR9021

 

Edited 5 October, 2023 by Carlston

[Carlston]

Just to add to the above post, the 16" Alcar 9922 steel rim weighs 8.20kg, as shown below.

 

This is over 40% heavier than the 17" Alcar 9021 steel rim, or 3.38kg heavier.

 

So five of these 17" steel rims would weigh 16.9kg more than these 16" steel rims.

 

These 17" steel rims really are shockingly heavy, so another reason to choose 16" steel rims in preference to 17" steel rims.

 

Alcar 9922 6.5x16 ET33 5/112 57.1 steel rim

8.20kg

 

Alcar 9021 6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 steel rim

11.58kg

 

Bear in mind that the 17" alloy equivalents as shown on "skoda eshop cz" weigh an almost identical 11.5kg, so 17" alloy rims won't help with the weight problem of 17" rims.

 

6.5Jx17 ET38 5/112 57.1 alloy rim (from Kodiaq) (11.5kg)

https://eshop.skoda-auto.cz/cs_CZ/alu-kolo-nanuq-17-kodiaq/p/565071497++8Z8

 

Edited 6 October, 2023 by Carlston

[Garfield89]

Thanks Carlston, that's a big help. Interesting that the 215/65R16's are the best price, I'll have a look at the links to see by just how much.

 

Would you say that at 215/65R16, the geolanders would be the best AT tyre for the price?

 

 

[Carlston]

5 hours ago, Garfield89 said:

Thanks Carlston, that's a big help. Interesting that the 215/65R16's are the best price, I'll have a look at the links to see by just how much.

 

Would you say that at 215/65R16, the geolanders would be the best AT tyre for the price?

 

The Yokohama Geolandar G015 is the one that I would choose if I needed a mud capable tyre for road use. From one review, it appears to be one of the most comfortable All-Terrain tyres on the market, has good wet grip, and isn't too noisy.

 

However, I don't need wet mud capability, so would choose a better road tyre such as the Vredestein Quatrac 6.

 

That's the problem with tyres. When they are better in one area they tend to lose out in others areas. So whatever you choose, it's always a compromise.

 

Vredestein Quatrac 6 215/65R16 98H (Euro label C B 71dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m139b0s8008p202133/Vredestein_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Vredestein_Quatrac_6_215_65_R16_98H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Edited 6 October, 2023 by Carlston

[uishaw]

On 05/10/2023 at 18:20, Carlston said:

If you are going to be driving on soft mud, you may want to reduce your tyre pressures by about one-third, ie. if you normally run 30psi-36psi you might want to reduce them to 20psi-24psi...but remember to pump them back up as soon as you get back on the tarmac to prevent the tyres from over-heating.

 

Because you might want to reduce the tyre pressures when driving on soft mud, it's much better to have 16" tyres rather than 17" tyres because the 16" tyres can have more sidewall height than the 17" tyres. For example, a 215/65R16 has 10.75mm more sidewall height than a 215/60R17.

 

Running low profile tyres off-road with reduced tyre pressures will make the rims far more likely to get damaged, hence it's better to go for 16" tyres rather then 17" tyres.

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/65R16 98H (Euro label E C 70dB) (3PMSF) (All-Terrain tyre)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s426p148189/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_215_65_R16_98H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Alcar 9922 6.5x16 ET33 5/112 57.1 steel rims (from VW Tiguan MK1 and VW Touran MK2)

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9922

 

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=62269191771657328&rimCode=ALCAR9922

 

Outside diameter of tyres

225/50R17 656.8mm

215/60R16 664.4mm

215/65R16 685.9mm (+3.2% compared to 215/60R16 and +4.4% compared to 225/50R17)

215/60R17 689.8mm (+3.8% compared to 215/60R16 and +5.0% compared to 225/50R17)

 

 

 

 

Great info, Will the Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/65R16 98H fit on a ALCAR 9257 7.0 x 16ET 45  or would you have to get a set of the 9922 you linked to above? I understand many things in life but rim sizes to tyre sizes makes no sense to me. 

[Carlston]

On 31/12/2023 at 20:25, uishaw said:

Great info, Will the Yokohama Geolandar AT G015 215/65R16 98H fit on a ALCAR 9257 7Jx16 ET45 or would you have to get a set of the Alcar 9922 you linked to above? I understand many things in life but rim sizes to tyre sizes makes no sense to me. 

 

215/65R16 is normally fitted to a 6.5J rim width. If you are going to use a 7J rim, it might be better to use a 20mm wider 235/60R16 tyre size.

 

Alcar 9922 steel rims have a specification of 6.5Jx16 ET33 which is 12mm less offset than the Yeti's normal ET45 offset. So the ET33 offset is equivalent to running the ET45 offset with 12mm spacers. Unless you want that spaced out look, ie. 24mm increase in track width, perhaps look at something within 7mm of the ET45 offset, ie. ET38 to ET45.

 

Perhaps consider 235/60R16 fitted to the standard 7Jx16 ET45 rims. 235/60R16 has a similar outside diameter to 215/65R16 as shown in the chart below.

 

235/60R16 is an economical tyre size, but not quite as economical as the particularly good value 215/65R16 tyre size.

 

Outside diameter of tyres

215/65R16 685.9mm

235/60R16 688.4mm

 

Here's a couple of examples of 235/60R16 tyres. The Nokian Wetproof is an interesting example, due to its Aramid Sidewalls.

 

Nokian Wetproof SUV 235/60R16 100H (Aramid Sidewalls) (Summer tyre)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Nokian/Wetproof-SUV/235-60-R16-100H-Aramid-Sidewalls/D-123531

 

Vredestein Quatrac 6 235/60R16 100H (All-Season tyre)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m139b0s12008p201646/Vredestein_Tyres_All_Season_Car_Vredestein_Quatrac_6_235_60_R16_100H_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_B_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_71dB

 

Alcar 9257 7Jx16 ET45 5/112 57.1 steel rims (from Yeti and Superb MK2) (9.35kg)

https://www.oponeo.pl/felga-stalowa/alcar-kfz-9257

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/alcar/14750851?search=ALCAR+Rim+(9257)

https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rims/details?vehicleId=185461773082563696&rimCode=ALCAR9257

 

Edited 2 January by Carlston

[uishaw]

Thanks, 

I dont care what it looks like just want a functional tyre that has as much air and rubber between the wheel and the very bumpy roads up where I live. And a tyre that is good in wet fields and snow I feel like 235 is getting a bit wide for snow. So if I buy the Alcar 9922 steel and a set of the geolander 215/65r16 it will fit the yeti without the need for spacers ect? Again apologies for the stupid questions.  

[Ootohere]

235 is perfect for snow if you mean UK snow ploughed or not ploughed.

But if you go for Narrow Tyres that get a grip through snow / mud then that is a different thing. 

 

225,s might be perfect though for winter and summer on a Yeti. 

 

Yokohama Geolander G012. 235/60 R 16

 

Edited 2 January by Rooted

[Carlston]

58 minutes ago, uishaw said:

Thanks, 

I don't care what it looks like just want a functional tyre that has as much air and rubber between the wheel and the very bumpy roads up where I live. And a tyre that is good in wet fields and snow I feel like 235 is getting a bit wide for snow. So if I buy the Alcar 9922 steel and a set of the Geolander 215/65R16 it will fit the Yeti without the need for spacers etc?

 

Spacers reduce the offset, so fitting 10mm spacers to rims that already have an ET33 offset gives an effective offset of ET23. The ET33 offset is already on the low side for the Yeti because it's a large 12mm difference to the standard ET45 offset.

 

215/65R16 and 235/60R16 both have just over 5.5" of sidewall height, which is quite a lot.

 

Notice the different 70dB vs 72dB rating of the below two tyres.

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT 215/65R16 98H (Euro label E C 70dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s426p148189/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_215_65_R16_98H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_70dB

 

Yokohama Geolandar AT 235/60R16 100H (Euro label E C 72dB)

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m62b0s425p148190/Yokohama_Tyres_Car_Yokohama_Geolandar_AT_G015_235_60_R16_100H_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_E_Wet_Grip%3A_C_NoiseClass%3A_B_Noise%3A_72dB

 

Edited 2 January by Carlston