I have recently had a "check oil level" warning appear and when I checked it there wasn't any showing on the dipstick. I added around 2L and booked it into the garage to be checked, they told me that there were no signs of a leak?  I have just had the 1st service at 10,500 miles by a different  garage and they confirmed that there were no leaks and the Karoq uses a thin oil so will need topping up around 10k miles. This is my first Skoda and I can never check the oil between services with other cars so I'm curious to know if anyone else has experienced this?

 

 

Thanks

 

 

Karoq Sportline Auto Diesel 4x4 10,500 miles

Yes it's normal, the 1.5 is known as using oil it , I was advised to check the oil on a regular basis, not that I need telling I've always done weekly checks.

@davro

Plenty have experienced it and there are lots of threads.

The common factor is they were not dipping and checking the oil level when getting a new car or from it being serviced.

Or until they get a warning light or message.

 

The owners manual tells you that the engines might use more oil in the first 5,000 km and has done for decades.

The 0w 20 FS IV oil is no reason for any dealership staff to say the engines might use more oil,

they should be saying that the oil should be checked regularly and at operating temperature.  Knowing where it is when cold is Simply Clever. 

 

Engine oil might well be used but then if you do not check the oil level when you get a car or when others have serviced it and put in the oil you will not know how much it has used.

 

@pragmatixIf Skoda Specialist cars Dundee Cars Part of the John Clark Group or the Perth workshop service your car best check the oil on collection and once home as well.

Edited 21 February, 20224 yr by roottoot

1 hour ago, davro said:

I have recently had a "check oil level" warning appear and when I checked it there wasn't any showing on the dipstick. I added around 2L and booked it into the garage to be checked, they told me that there were no signs of a leak?  I have just had the 1st service at 10,500 miles by a different  garage and they confirmed that there were no leaks and the Karoq uses a thin oil so will need topping up around 10k miles. This is my first Skoda and I can never check the oil between services with other cars so I'm curious to know if anyone else has experienced this?

 

If you've never had the need to check oil between services in your other cars, how do you know they too didn't use oil?

 

There was no oil on the dipstick 😲   Are you sure about that?  Yes the engine will use oil and yes people have reported this, but they typically add 3/4 - 1L. Are you saying you needed 2L to top up in 10000 miles / 12mths?  Sounds excessive. Is your car used for mostly short trips?

 

I've owned 1.6tdi, a few 2.0tdi, a couple 1.4tsi and a couple 1.5tsi VW group engines and although I've checked them ( infrequently - perhaps 3 or four times between services ), I can only ever remember having to top up the 1.6tdi. All of the cars apart from the 1.5tsi's were on long-life service intervals too. 

 

 

Edited 21 February, 20224 yr by kodiaqsportline

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

@davro

Plenty have experienced it and there are lots of threads.

The common factor is they were not dipping and checking the oil level when getting a new car or from it being serviced.

Or until they get a warning light or message.

 

The owners manual tells you that the engines might use more oil in the first 5,000 km and has done for decades.

The 0w 20 FS IV oil is no reason for any dealership staff to say the engines might use more oil,

they should be saying that the oil should be checked regularly and at operating temperature.  Knowing where it is when cold is Simply Clever. 

 

Engine oil might well be used but then if you do not check the oil level when you get a car or when others have serviced it and put in the oil you will not know how much it has used.

 

@pragmatixIf Skoda Specialist cars Dundee Cars Part of the John Clark Group or the Perth workshop service your car best check the oil on collection and once home as well.

Yep, decades indeed. My 1990 Audi 20v engine used a huge amount of oil for the first 5,000 or so miles. 

I never said they need to or should use oil, just that VW Group and other manufacturers cover their back or try to for when they do manufacture lemons. 

It says 5,000 km not miles.

And then rubbish about 'May use 0.5 litre in 1,000 km'    That is for all engines 3,4.5,6,8 cylinder, 44 kW and up. 

Edited 21 February, 20224 yr by roottoot

4 hours ago, roottoot said:

@davro

 

@pragmatixIf Skoda Specialist cars Dundee Cars Part of the John Clark Group or the Perth workshop service your car best check the oil on collection and once home as well.

It was them that told me to check it and gave me the oil too, I've found them to be very good.

@kodiaqsportline 

 

13 hours ago, kodiaqsportline said:

 

If you've never had the need to check oil between services in your other cars, how do you know they too didn't use oil?

 

There was no oil on the dipstick 😲   Are you sure about that?  Yes the engine will use oil and yes people have reported this, but they typically add 3/4 - 1L. Are you saying you needed 2L to top up in 10000 miles / 12mths?  Sounds excessive. Is your car used for mostly short trips?

 

I've owned 1.6tdi, a few 2.0tdi, a couple 1.4tsi and a couple 1.5tsi VW group engines and although I've checked them ( infrequently - perhaps 3 or four times between services ), I can only ever remember having to top up the 1.6tdi. All of the cars apart from the 1.5tsi's were on long-life service intervals too. 

 

 

 

I've had the car 6 months and it is used for a mixture of trips, mainly short during the week and 150 + miles most weekends. The dipstick was dry and it took 2L in slightly under 10k miles which seems very excessive to me too. This is my first VAG car my previous car was the Peugeot 3008 and the only thing I topped up was the windscreen fluid like most people I have spoken too.  

The issue is that the engine oil capacity was allowed to get to 1 litre lower and there was less oil to help with cooling, then allowed to get to 1.5 litre low and still not checked and topped up, then down by 2 litres.   Not checking the oil level until a warning light or message is just not simply clever.    Oil might well need topping up before 10,000 miles on fixed or variable servicing and checked well within 10,000 miles. 

1 hour ago, davro said:

@kodiaqsportline 

 

 

I've had the car 6 months and it is used for a mixture of trips, mainly short during the week and 150 + miles most weekends. The dipstick was dry and it took 2L in slightly under 10k miles which seems very excessive to me too. This is my first VAG car my previous car was the Peugeot 3008 and the only thing I topped up was the windscreen fluid like most people I have spoken too.  

 

I find that incredible. I've never heard of a car that's a year old and has used that much oil. The old Rover K-series engines were famous for head gasket issues but even then, a dry dipstick - it's a new one on me. 

 

I'm willing to bet the dealer you took your car to has never come across that situation in such a low mileage car either. I'm with you, I think there's a problem.  Defo kkep an eye on the oil level at least every month - will be interesting to see if that oil consumption continues, it certainly shouldn't.  

24 minutes ago, kodiaqsportline said:

I'm willing to bet the dealer you took your car to has never come across that situation in such a low mileage car either. I'm with you, I think there's a problem.  Defo kkep an eye on the oil level at least every month - will be interesting to see if that oil consumption continues, it certainly shouldn't.  

 I was away from home when it happened so rang my local dealer and was told told to fill up with "good quality oil" and to book it in to check for leaks when I got home, which I did. I passed a Skoda dealers when I was away so to be safe I called in and told them what happened...they too couldn't not believe the amount of oil used in a short time and gave it the once over before I drove home. 

 

I have been very fortunate in having many cars from new or nearly new and have never had this before either

@davroYou have no idea how much oil was used in however long the passage of time or miles if you never checked the level at any time.

You do not know that there was the correct quantity in to start with.

 

What 'good quality' oil did you get and put in the engine?

Edited 22 February, 20224 yr by roottoot

As it's a diesel, and presumably fitted with a dpf, a 'good quality oil' is not really good enough. I'm assuming that the oil required should be a low SAPs oil, otherwise there is a risk of ash accumulating in and blocking the filter. I suppose it would be OK very short term as long it ity was changed for the correct grade as soon as possible.

That grade / spec is to VW 508 00 / 509 00 so 0w 20 FS IV.

 

Just as a top up to the oil change then VW 504 00 / 507 00  so 5w 30 FS III or 0w 30 FS III is OK.  

3 hours ago, roottoot said:

@davroYou have no idea how much oil was used in however long the passage of time or miles if you never checked the level at any time.

You do not know that there was the correct quantity in to start with.

 

What 'good quality' oil did you get and put in the engine?

 

No idea?  Come on.  If I had a 2021 year car, I too would assume it's been filled with the correct amount of oil, as would anyone else.

 

I suppose when you collect a new car, you check the dipstick before leaving the forecourt?

 

 

 

58 minutes ago, kodiaqsportline said:

I suppose when you collect a new car, you check the dipstick before leaving the forecourt?

 

I do.

 

And my new superb showed only 2/3 up the dipstick hatch. The senior tech said this was normal and the ideal level.....hmm...I thought he just didn't want to top it up.

 

Previously I collected a brand new Fabia 1.2 htp with oil showing a little over minimum.

 

But I have since realised that some (Skoda) engines, the dipstick is not a particularly good or reliable indication of oil level.  If I fill with a measured quantity after an oil change, (after running to fill filters etc) I can get dipstick readings varying from spot on to underfilled by 0.5 - 0.75l depending on which engine I serviced.

 

Difference between min and max is not always 1 litre either, sometimes considerably less.

 

So, I now stick with a 3/4 target reading on the dipstick to allow for errors and tolerance. I never top up with more than 0.25 litre at a time, without rechecking, the final check being after the engine has run, warm/hot, level ground wait 5 mins before checking.

 

As for the OP if it really required 2 litres to fill, I'd be very upset and checking if I overfilled. Would have thought low oil level warning would have come on a little over 1 litre under max. And keeping an eagle eye on it to establish if its a oil burner.

 

Oil capacity is 4.3 litres for a 1.5tsi and I haven't seen much evidence that these engines are known to drink oil.

 

Edited 22 February, 20224 yr by xman

@kodiaqsportline I really wonder what you trained as and work at that you are so trusting of people doing things as they should be and check things, just nosy.

  Too many get on the job training and that means they might learn from those that were badly trained.

 

I used to work where i checked cars off transporters & ones being bought & sold and going on to dealers , where cars were prepped,

i did paint repairs / warranty work and fitted dealer fit options.

 

Of course i check the oil level cold when collecting demonstrators, new cars, hire car, courtesy cars, cars from auctions and cars i take to do work on, 

and tyre pressures.  If i am using the car a bit i check it when at operating temperature. 

 

Which is why i am not surprised at those that think a car drinks oil.

Why i said to the member to be sure about checking oil when getting a car at Dundee or Perth.  

Edited 22 February, 20224 yr by roottoot

16 hours ago, roottoot said:

 

Why i said to the member to be sure about checking oil when getting a car at Dundee or Perth.  

I check everything when picking a car up, they don't like it, I  found protective tape still on sills, tears in seats, lights not working, wrong tyre pressure , missing spare wheels and even odd alloys.

though I must say in defence of specialist cars Dundee the only thing I found was high tyre pressure 

@pragmatix

When i do i tell them to go adjust the pressures & if the car has had a PDI the Master Tech can go over the car again. I will wait on them doing that.

Then the Email is copied to the Dealer Principal, & the John Clark Directors. 

That worked and especially with Aberdeen but things must be slipping again. 

We have a 1.5 tsi Karoq and we had the same thing happen. At 8k miles the 'check oil level' pinged and when checking the oil it was way below minimum.

 

I put a thread on here however there was no definitive answer, only to read the manual etc.

 

As the car was purchased at 5k miles (driven by one of the staff at Skoda) I did not think to check the oil, especially as we were given a copy of the inspection paperwork. Appreciate it's hard to tell without knowing the level before driving away!

@Jamesmaher63  Here you are.   You never came back to your thread.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/497359-oil-consumption-15-tsi.         It seems that not only do many not check before driving away they do not see where the oil or coolant is after getting home or top up washer fluid if not done before hand over.   Or check anytime after until they get a warning message. If any level is not as it should be on collection or tyre pressures unsafe then the establishments boss is the one that needs spoken to. 

 

Edited 23 February, 20224 yr by roottoot

Put half a litre in mine at 4,000 miles it was full when I collected it new.  I always check it on the dipstick so it well never be left till it gets so low I get pinged !

Morning Guy...........................Had the oil light come on the Skoda Karoq 1.5 petrol yesterday read most of the thread to get the fact its normal  "apparently" for this engine to throw the light on after only covering 11,500 miles from new 7 months ago.

I went to the local carparts this morning and the lad didnt need to look up what kind of oil it needed just reeled it off to one of the other lads and said yes thats the norm now for these engines.

Had a Mazda 5 before this for 9 years  never had to put oil in from one year to the next ,up until the last year after 180,000 miles.

Anyway if it happens to you its normal .