DSG gearbox codes.. my code is MPU, can I replace with MLN?? Or does it have to be exactly the same?

Welcome.

 

You can not replace a DQ200 from a Mk2 vRS Fabia with one from a Mk2 Fabia 1.2 TSI.   But if the one with MLN was from the same engine as MPU was on you could be OK.

But i would only fit a DQ200 that was able to be driven and tested before removal.

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What model and engine size do you have? & when was it built.

there are DQ200's used in 48 different applications, Petrol & Diesels, and engine powers.

 

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Has the DQ200 DSG you are looking at getting had the Service Campaigns '34F7' or '34H5' carried out if they were needed,

where they ever given new clutch packs or a Mechatronic Unit or is it a 'refurbished unit' with some Warranty?

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/447246-fabia-vrs-mk2-clutch

 

 

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Engine Code & Transmission code of DQ200 on that car. 

(& this car has needed and had '34F7'  so Mineral Oil in and a Software Update done.)

Edited 21 November, 20187 yr by Offski

Its a 2011 Fabia 1.2 TSI.  Dsg gearbox fault, having problems locating a new one/referbed one.  My code is MPU, have found one with MLN from same car, 2011 1.2 TSI.  Will it work? Skoda wont tell me anything...

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Who at Skoda,  Skoda UK Customer Services Technical.

Or a Skoda Main Dealership that migh know nothing anyway?

 

Nobody knows what to tell you. 

 

 Who diagnosed the DQ200 Fault, is it not repairable?

Do they not know about DQ200's and what is what.    ?  Who is selling the DSG you have found for sale.   Is it any better than the one that is faulty?  

 

@Bobbie18

A New MCU fitted might be £1,100, maybe new Clutch Packs needed.

 

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Did your DSG need and get Service Campaign '34F7' carried out since May 2014. Did it require doing?

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

 

No the servicing wasn’t done. It’s at 77k miles and had one owner when I bought it. They never had the gearbox servicing done. It’s wont go backwards and now will only go upto 2nd gear. 

 

Im not a mechanic but I’m aware the gearbox is sealed.. not sure what that means.

 

 

'Sealed means' the Synthetic Oil from the Factory was not going to need changing.

 

Then there was need for a World Wide Recall, and the Oil changed to Mineral Oil & a Software Update,

except in Europe, no Recall just a Service Campaign, 

So not a Sealed Box, a DSG that can and does get the Oil Changed if needed, just not a Service Schedule' or Guidelines, not at 40,000 miles etc.

 

So as it is your DSG maybe failing because still Synthetic Oil in, or the MCU going.

 

Get a Diagnosis done, by a Specialist that can do DQ200's.     You need them anyway to get a New or Used DSG fitted, 

Specialist is Important.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/440233-skoda-fabia-dsg-gearbox-failure

 

Pinned DSG thread at top of Fabia Mk2 Section as well.

Not just Mk2 Fabia, DQ200 DSG in Rapid, Octavia, Superb & Yeti small petrols or 1.6 TDI CR's as well.

Edited 21 November, 20187 yr by Offski

The DQ200 I’m looking at has only done 21000 miles. It’s from the same year same size engine but is coming out of an accident damaged car. Code is slightly different, I’m tempted to try it. What are your thoughts 

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Who is fitting it to the car and what do they think.  Can the do anything with the software if required?

 

Was the car hit while stationary and in 'P' or when driving?

 

I have bought used DSG's and sold them, but they were in running driving cars.   

iv got a good mechanic fitting it, hes had a lot of experience with DSG, especially with VW's.  We have to pay a separate guy £100 to come and code it, or whatever it is he does with his computer.  

 

Although the mechanic im using has had a lot of experience with DSG gearboxes, they ave mainly been Golf R's he has worked on.

 

Whats your experience with an exchange of DSG gearbox'? Have you ever replaced one with one that has a different code?  

 

 

 

 

I know the best techs, i do not do any jobs myself,  i leave it to more skilled mechanics than me. 

My experience is having them upgraded to take more torque.

Long time since i served my time as a mechanic, i worked as a car sprayer.

 

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Does your mechanic know about DQ200's , worked on them, because surely that is who knows what is what. 

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How much are you going to pay for the used DSG with 21,000 miles on it. 

Has it had '34F7' carried out on it, does it need the Synthetic Oil changed to Mineral and a software update.

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Is your DSG not repairable if it was to be a replacement MCU or Clutch packs and has your mechanic done that on any DQ200's?

Been quoted 750 for the gearbox. Il speak with my mechanic about the other questions you’ve asked and come back to you tomorrow.

 

thanks for discussing this with me 

When we were needing new mechatronic unit and clutch packs earlier this year, and at the stage when Parks were quoting us £7400 for a new gearbox, we looked at buying a second hand gearbox to replace our failed one.

 

Our experience of that search mirrors that of Bobbie above. Skoda dealer could provide very little clarity other than to say the gearbox could be fitted but would lack the specific coding to the vehicle it was intended for, the mechatronic unit leaves the factory partially coded to the specific vehicle and then the techs at the dealer upload the basic settings, test it then tweak it.So although we could find spare gearboxes from other vehicles, we could never find one with the same 3 letter code as ours, and ultimately didn't chance it for fear of spending a grand or so only to find the problem still existed.

 

There are videos on youtube showing folk fitting replacement mechatronic units, not at main dealers but at specialists, and the codes don't seem to matter too much to those lads, but again, it comes down to experience and equipment.

 

I wish you luck. At a dealership expect to pay an initial £100 or so for the diagnostic to identify the specific problem, which may be a new mechatronic unit in your case. The mechatronic unit brand new then costs £1149 plus fitting. Clutches were £585 plus fitting.

35 minutes ago, Sittingbull said:

When we were needing new mechatronic unit and clutch packs earlier this year, and at the stage when Parks were quoting us £7400 for a new gearbox, we looked at buying a second hand gearbox to replace our failed one.

 

 

Is it me, or do Scottish Skoda dealers live on a different planet?

 

Edited 24 November, 20187 yr by xman

We’ve bought a 2nd hand gearbox. From same car same engine but different code. We will have to have the software updated once it’s been installed, fingers crossed. Il let youse guys know if it works. The 2nd hand one has come from a accident damaged fabia with 18k. Sorry my language isn’t very technical, I’m a female (not that it matters) who’s been roped into this by my dad (a retired mechanic). He bought it thinking it was an auto and a cheap(ish) fix. Il be telling him to stay clear of these DSG cars just an head ache 

13 hours ago, Bobbie18 said:

We’ve bought a 2nd hand gearbox. From same car same engine but different code. We will have to have the software updated once it’s been installed, fingers crossed. Il let youse guys know if it works. The 2nd hand one has come from a accident damaged fabia with 18k. Sorry my language isn’t very technical, I’m a female (not that it matters) who’s been roped into this by my dad (a retired mechanic). He bought it thinking it was an auto and a cheap(ish) fix. Il be telling him to stay clear of these DSG cars just an head ache 

 

We wish you luck and hope that the fix works, which it may well do once installed and software updated.

 

 

Lets hope.

 

Not to pi55 on a parade but there is the Elephant in the room that must be made aware of to the OP.

There is a possible Timing Chain and also Turbo Actuator issues that can affect some early 1.2 TSI so once the DQ200 is sorted out 

just mention these if there is any 'poor running' of the engine or odd behaviour.

Seeing as the Service Campaign was not done best check if there are ant TPI's covering the car.

18 hours ago, xman said:

 

Is it me, or do Scottish Skoda dealers live on a different planet?

 

 

Indeed.

 

The £7400 quote included not just one, but two mechatronic units that they wanted us to pay for, on account of them ordering in the first one then being unable to carry out the basic settings installation, so because the unit left the factory partially coded to our chassis number and apparently useless on another vehicle, they reckoned we should be held liable for their incompetence.

 

Ultimately they had to send the gearbox to an independent specialist to install basic settings on the second new unit in order to get the vehicle moving once again.

 

But that came after 9 weeks, 3 misdiagnosis, quotes ranging from £1100 to £7400, several visits to the dealership, several arguments with the service manager, discussions with the head of their after sales department for the Group who casually invited us to involve trading standards if we wanted and untold stress.

 

There was better knowledge of the problem amongst the ownership community, and at independent specialist Charles Butler Motor Engineers in Forfar, their input and that of other owners who had been present when their boxes had been stripped down and could speak with knowledge of the internals.

 

It was a horrific experience, including the involvement with Skoda UK who played see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil until such times as my wife went direct to McLeod's office.

 

The good news? Well, our car got a replacement engine 4 years ago and is a non oil user and we can account for all mileage on that engine, and we now have a virtually new gearbox with latest software that drives very well. We love the car, but not the service from certain dealers or the intransigence and deceit employed by SUK.

Who is McLeod, where is he? he might come looking for me before I go looking for him. The Fabia sits on the drive, I have beaten DVSA into divulging what they did to agree to VAG's intentions, which was very little, no wonder I had to appeal the DVSA FOI first response.  From the appeal, I can confirm that my car has neither of the service recalls completed, and it has been owned by me since new and been serviced by the same crap Skoda dealer that sold it to me. It should at lest have one of them!! but then they and SUk don't seem to be able to figure that one out for a 2012 car. 

 

I did enquire with TPS about a new mechatronic unit and they said that the skoda dealer had queried if they held one, it was a surprise as they said that the dealer did not have all the equipment to replace and program the unit once fitted. It would appear that the local VW dealer was going to do it, as SUK admitted not all Skoda dealers can do all the work needed. Much like VAG's ACC radar, not all dealers have the equipment and space to test it. 

 

The DVSA has a safety defect report form on it's site, easy to use and take minutes to complete, lets get them filled and in and push the issue with the DVSA, the failure of the box on the road is not the issue they are so engrossed in, it is when the system selects limp home mode at speed that is. 

@Nortonpuch   Not all 2010-2012/13 CAVE or CTHE needed '34F7', @Sittingbull's wifes did not and that is one that had the 'white spanner' warning.

 

Then '34H5' is from 2013-2015 and not all DQ200 need that. But then Skoda / VW is as sketchy on that as they are on '34F7'.

Correct, but the mineral that was installed from 2012 did need the 34H5 for models upto sometime in 2014, the 2015 Golf we have does not need either. 

Many in 2012 were not getting '34F7' because there were filled with mineral oil from the factory and they were not getting '34H5' either.

@Sittingbull knows of ones like that that had the 'white spanner warning' or are failing now.

He can maybe tell you numbers that just he hears about of has communicated with owners of ones like that.

 

Not all DQ200 with Mineral Oil in from 2013-2015 needed the software update.  There were certain ones that were given the update as a preventative measure because of failures.

Skoda produce 2,200 DQ200 a day and they are for 48 applications.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425424-2017-another-dq200-7-speed-dsg-service-campaign

 

Edited 28 November, 20187 yr by Offski

Over our years of ownership of the April 2012 vRS we queried whether or not our DSG would require any of the service actions related to the DSG on at least 3 occasions and were told on each occasion that ours didn't require anything done. We had originally asked just after the point where our engine was replaced back in September 2014, and then again at least twice between then and the mechatronic unit packing in at the end of January this year. We asked the question of both SUK and their main franchise dealers in the network.

 

As an aside, our mechatronic unit and clutch packs ended up being outsourced to a gearbox specialist to install after the dealer ordered one then found they lacked the competences and/ or equipment to install properly.

 

As for other owners, 9 have contacted me via messenger since April this year to say they were having similar problems to those we encountered, all were for failing mechatronic units, not all displayed the flashing white spanner but all ended up diagnosed as mech unit needing replaced.

 

That is only the ones to contact me privately. Others have come onto a few owners groups on Facebook and shared their angst at their failing mechatronic unit, Offski knows of a good few of these as I've text him at various times with the now common words "that's another one with DSG problem".

 

I made attempt to get owners who had the problem come forward, and I know an attempt was made on here, but there's been a hesitation in doing so, and I wouldn't be so bold as to speculate why that is. I do know between messenger, texts, and those on the groups, the number easily exceeds 20 in the last 6 months alone.

 

I will try to find and complete the form on the DVSA site, that may be the only way owners have of getting into Skoda's face.

On 28/11/2018 at 20:58, Nortonpuch said:

Who is McLeod, where is he? he might come looking for me before I go looking for him. The Fabia sits on the drive, I have beaten DVSA into divulging what they did to agree to VAG's intentions, which was very little, no wonder I had to appeal the DVSA FOI first response.  From the appeal, I can confirm that my car has neither of the service recalls completed, and it has been owned by me since new and been serviced by the same crap Skoda dealer that sold it to me. It should at lest have one of them!! but then they and SUk don't seem to be able to figure that one out for a 2012 car. 

 

I did enquire with TPS about a new mechatronic unit and they said that the skoda dealer had queried if they held one, it was a surprise as they said that the dealer did not have all the equipment to replace and program the unit once fitted. It would appear that the local VW dealer was going to do it, as SUK admitted not all Skoda dealers can do all the work needed. Much like VAG's ACC radar, not all dealers have the equipment and space to test it. 

 

The DVSA has a safety defect report form on it's site, easy to use and take minutes to complete, lets get them filled and in and push the issue with the DVSA, the failure of the box on the road is not the issue they are so engrossed in, it is when the system selects limp home mode at speed that is. 

 

I apologise for not being able to snip the wee section from your post that I wanted to respond to.

 

We didn't get the limp home mode at speed. Ours lost all propulsion when we were making the journey to Ayr (40 odd miles) to have the dealer carry out an Inspection service, that's what they told us the flashing white spanner was.

 

6 miles or so into the journey, exiting a roundabout on the A70 and instead of going up through the gears it got to D4 and kaput, flashing white spanner and loss of any momentum, coming to a halt on the uphill slope very quickly. Thankfully it was ten past seven in the morning and very quiet so no harm done other than a fright for us wondering what on earth had happened.

 

We got it started, selected drive and headed for home. The wee car did the exact same thing 3 or more times more on the journey home. I don't know if that was limp mode as it wasn't limping, it had been shot down.

 

So I'll fill it in as it happened and let DVSA do their worst. I'll also mention on the various other groups and to those who messaged me to consider doing the same.