Apologies for raking over this topic again, however as I don't really trust anything a dealer might say, has anyone actually recently taken delivery of a new 1.5 DSG?  I'm hoping they now come with the wet clutch DQ381 rather than the dry clutch DQ200 and it would be fantastic if someone was able to confirm either way?

 

Thanks team.

Never heard of a front wheel drive  Karoq 1.5 TSI DSG having other than a DQ200.  Where you told it would have a DQ381?      No difference to you is there other than not having to pay for an oil change if you still have it at 80,000 miles. 

As Roottoot says. No choice available. 

My 2nd Karoq 1.5 TSI DSG now, and faultless so far after a total of 4+ years use. 

We tend to keep cars for at least 6 years and I'm not sure I much fancy letting the Mrs lose on a DQ200.  YMMV obviously. 😉

Edited 8 August, 20223 yr by Dappernut

You have 3 years warranty and easy enough to take out longer, you can extend the warranty 2 more years before the car is first registered. 

The failure rate with DQ200's is not high in the past few years. 

As far as I know, the DQ381 is implemented in 4x4 versions, even if DQ200 torque limit isn't exceeded, as the latter has no provision to drive the shaft to the rear.

 

 

Edited 9 August, 20223 yr by agedbriar

Things were different with a FWD Kodiaq 1.5 TSI,  they got the DQ381 and not a DQ200. 

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

FWD Kodiaq 1.5 TSI,  they got the DQ381 and not a DQ200

 

I'd read the odd vague suggestion that the same thing applied to the Karoq however perhaps those references are just getting confused with the Kodiaq.

No particular concerns around the current up-to-date DQ200 vs other DSG boxes then?

There is nothing up-to-date about them, they are just the same as they were but surely since the last issues Skoda are being more careful with Quality Control and components.

They were building 2,500 a day for the VW Group and no recent TPI's or Recalls. 

Surely 'Vorsprung Durch Technik' by now. 

 

Best have a Warranty covering one as long as you are going to keep one. 

 

 

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

they are just the same as they were

 

I'm not sure that's correct Roottoot.  I've read in several places there have been revisions to lessen the chances of an internal high pressure oil leak toasting the clutch pack of the DQ200 for example.  VW do seem to continously improve things (and also continouisly make them worse 😄).

Correct. Called in 2017 was Service Campaign '34H5' which was and is a software update because of the premature failures after the Synthetic Oil change in 2012 which was after a World Wide Recall that was just a Service Campaign in Europe. 34F7'. That was in 2014.

Then we have the TPI's on DQ200's 2015-2018 and Clutch Updates. 

 Now you have DQ200-e for the 1.0 TSI e-Techs.   That is the latest changes before they finally drop DQ200.s.

 

VW Group have not treated well the Snagging fault or owners with the issue that has existed for many years. Actually they have lied to many.

Many have been ripped of greatly with what is a Fundamental design, manufacturing or material fault. 

DQ200 here.  Not the DSG just the shifter.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/505730-weird-error-message-only-leave-vehicle-in-position-p/page/2

Any DSG.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/426096-error-service-leave-vehicle-only-when-selector-in-position-p/page/20

 

 

 

As to MCU's.

Maybe in the past couple of years VW Group / Skoda have taken the knowledge and experience of those that had to re-engineer the products and improve them over the factory components.

Maybe they could now put a 7 year warranty on an DSG that has no servicing requirements. Or a 10 year one like they had to in some world regions in 2012.

 

 

Edited 11 August, 20223 yr by roottoot

On 10/08/2022 at 16:53, Dappernut said:

 

I've read in several places there have been revisions to lessen the chances of an internal high pressure oil leak toasting the clutch pack of the DQ200 for example.  VW do seem to continously improve things (and also continouisly make them worse 😄).

 

Sorry, haven't recently taken delivery but what I can say is whenever I read people refering to DQ200 reliability, it's almost always in old threads or older cars.  It's a DQ200 on our 2019 Karoq - it's been 100% fault free.

 

DQ200 is still being used by VW, SEAT, Audi and Skoda so if there was a problem with newer gearboxes wouldn't people still be complaining?

Edited 12 August, 20223 yr by kodiaqsportline

Old posts never die. I ordered a Yeti with the wet clutch gearbox and then had buyers remorse after doing some reading of posts about the dsg. However they were years old and many millions of these have now been sold and used, with I suspect only a small failure rate. I at one point changed the order back to manual and then later back to dsg again!!

However I have now completed 5 years in dsg cars with no issues.

Now if it was a Ford like my sons auto …… don’t do it! Crap. Had the dry clutch replaced under warranty to stop slipping and juddering when changing from 1st to 2nd when just bought second hand, and 5 years on it really needs doing again.

Older threads on DQ200's were on 2009-2012 ones and the issues there,

then 2013-2015, then 2015-2018.

so ones built and over 4 years old so pre Karoq & pre 1.5 TSI's. 

 

Now with a 2019 on DQ200 DSG,s it will be great if all issues have been addressed and when the owners have a issue in warranty which will be to about now Skoda / VW deal with it.

When they are 4 and 5 years older as a 2019 DQ200 is not yet, so out of manufacturers warranty then lets see how reliable they are and if the issues are only with 1% of the 2,500 DQ200's Skoda build each day.

If so that is just a small number and you just hope you are not the unlucky one that has got one of those. 

 

Luckily any posts on DQ200 with issues with a Karoq are almost nil.  Not Zero and not that old as Karoq's are not that old.

*But then we know how people only come to forums when they have problems, or so the Dealership & Manufacturers might want you to believe as 'We have never seen that before', or 'They all do that'.*

Post by @kodiaqsportlineis nail on the head.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/501404-automatic-gearbox-issues

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/486158-mechatronic-replacement

 

The Engine Software update should have been done to the cars that required it and there is a DQ200 update for those that require it.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/461809-15-tsi-with-7-speed-dsg

@Georgina will probably feel good in that @kodiaqsportlineis having 100% reliability with their Kaqoq.

 

Some worry about Historic Issues, but they need to wait and see how things turn out when the earliest models they have become older cars.

Obviously VW are also making improvements in products and after sales services.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/473267-dsg-box-reliability

 

 

Edited 13 August, 20223 yr by roottoot

4 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

Now if it was a Ford

 

My last car was a 2nd hand Ford PowerShift with wet clutch and it was perfect for the 5 years I owned it.  I'm very aware however of the Ford dry clutch nightmare which leaves me feeling extremely nervous about dry dual clutch in general.

3 hours ago, roottoot said:

so ones built and over 4 years old so pre Karoq & pre 1.5 TSI's.

 

That's a good observation Roottoot.  I appreciate a lack of current reports doesn't mean there won't be problems in the future, however some of my fears have been allayed.

 

Thank you all for your input.

7 hours ago, Dappernut said:

 

My last car was a 2nd hand Ford PowerShift with wet clutch and it was perfect for the 5 years I owned it.  I'm very aware however of the Ford dry clutch nightmare which leaves me feeling extremely nervous about dry dual clutch in general.

Yes my sons was a dry clutch Ford! The clutch pack seems to last about 25k miles.

Didn’t know that Ford also have wet clutch version?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_PowerShift_transmission

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_PowerShift_transmission

 

I did read once that the Aussies refer to this transmission as above, but without the "f"

14 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

Didn’t know that Ford also have wet clutch version

 

SImilar to VAG they were in the larger and/or higher power vehicles and I had one in an S-Max.  Even those were expected to eat themselves for lunch eventually, but they were clearly way way better than the Ford dry clutch units.

14 hours ago, OldKaroq said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_PowerShift_transmission

 

I did read once that the Aussies refer to this transmission as above, but without the "f"

 

I know we're way off topic however here is a nice picture of part of the inside of a Fored wet clutch unit that's 'decomposed'.  Look at all that old brittle broken plastic.  

 

 

6 hours ago, Dappernut said:

I know we're way off topic however here is a nice picture of part of the inside of a Fored wet clutch unit that's 'decomposed'.  Look at all that old brittle broken plastic. 

 

Ouch!  Thats shocking.  

4 hours ago, OldKaroq said:

 

Ouch!  Thats shocking.  

 

Certainly not the ticking timebomb I'm looking for under my bonnet! 🤪